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Well, I can tell that this discussion si going to be perfectly civil, pleasant, and polite.

(Seriously though, people; be nice.)
 

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Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
 

The Artificially Prolonged

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HAHA! Well they do say go big or go home... but isn't getting a billboard kind of counter productive to the whole "get free advertising" idea?
 

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Welcome to the wonderful world of being accused of being a SJW Erin ... or should I say ...

Welcome to Hell!
Nah, you'll probably like it, I mean Jim and Bob do get shit upon, but they deliver trucks and destroy whoever oppose them, bwahahahaha!
 

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Queen Michael said:
Well, I can tell that this discussion si going to be perfectly civil, pleasant, and polite.

(Seriously though, people; be nice.)
That's like asking starving lions not to rip apart that poor defenceless zebra.
 

The Wooster

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I don't know how neither Cory or Grey ended up on that list, after WGDF.

Quick, guys! Free publicity, just release a new WGDF!
 

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Lees' hair is quite preposterous, isn't it?

It must run about while he's sleeping and then before he wakes up it goes back on his head so that he doesn't notice.
 

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Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!

MarsAtlas said:
I don't know how neither Cory or Grey ended up on that list, after WGDF.

Quick, guys! Free publicity, just release a new WGDF!
Baffling, innit? I would think they'd be public enemies #1 and 2 with the response that got.
 

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Acting like a dickwack grants you free advertising. EA was right all along!!!
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!

MarsAtlas said:
I don't know how neither Cory or Grey ended up on that list, after WGDF.

Quick, guys! Free publicity, just release a new WGDF!
Baffling, innit? I would think they'd be public enemies #1 and 2 with the response that got.
No, a sentence about equality would be pretty much ignored on either side. If a SJW says it, #gamergate will just pass over it in favor of cherry picking the hatespeech. If someone on the #gamergate side of things says something about equality the sjws will pass right over it and slander them with muh-soggy-knee anyway.
 

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The internet hates my two favorite Escapist contributors. Great!

(I disliked Sterling when he gave Kid Icarus Uprising a 5/10. But Jimquisition is great, so whatever.)

MarsAtlas said:
I don't know how neither Cory or Grey ended up on that list, after WGDF.

Quick, guys! Free publicity, just release a new WGDF!
Yes. Do it.
 

Megacherv

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You need only have the first panel for this to be a masterpiece
 

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What white men do in their spare time is their own business: can they make good games?
 

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Sotanaht said:
No, a sentence about equality would be pretty much ignored on either side. If a SJW says it, #gamergate will just pass over it in favor of cherry picking the hatespeech. If someone on the #gamergate side of things says something about equality the sjws will pass right over it and slander them with muh-soggy-knee anyway.
Dude, I don't think you know who you're talking to. As an internet infamous SJW who has been labeled "the worst of the social justice warriors" for pointing out things like the fact that women have served in wars, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on what it takes to start a shitstorm.

Actually, one need not look further than Anita Sarkeesian, a woman who could read the ingredients of breakfast cereal and still get hatemail based on it.

Hover Hand Mode said:
(I disliked Sterling when he gave Kid Icarus Uprising a 5/10. But Jimquisition is great, so whatever.)
How do you dislike a person for a single review? Did he compare Uprising to Hitler or something?
 

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Even though I still enjoy the comic to some extent, I find it hard to take the political stuff more seriously once I discovered how large of a hypocrite Grey is. Using the Gaza Defense on why we shouldn't talk about corrupt journos just weeks after ridiculing the Gaza Defense is incredibly asinine.
 

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Hdawger said:
Even though I still enjoy the comic to some extent, I find it hard to take the political stuff more seriously once I discovered how large of a hypocrite Grey is. Using the Gaza Defense on why we shouldn't talk about corrupt journos just weeks after ridiculing the Gaza Defense is incredibly asinine.
Are you joking around or has a point gone completely over your head?
 

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Jim Sterling resembles nothing so much as an angry side-loading washing machine.
 

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Wow. Mr. Sterling's character lends itself to being visually caricatured fairly easily, but I am impressed at how much such that drawing is identifiable as Bob Chipman.

As to the list...that thing seriously pisses me off. I do not believe even a little bit that its creator understands what the word "censorship" means, and I would love to know how he defines it such that whatever the people he complains about are censoring him but his trying to silence those people by taking away their jobs does not meet that same definition.
 

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I don't understand, isn't this essentially the same joke as "White Guy Defense Force"?
 

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Westaway said:
I don't understand, isn't this essentially the same joke as "White Guy Defense Force"?
It's the gift that keeps on giving!

I almost missed the humor in the first panel, just reading the speech-bubbles. Sneaky sneaky
(Or I'm just unobservant, whatever)
 

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The Wooster said:
The Fast Track To Internet Infamy

Truth in media.


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One might hazard a guess [sub](I don't use that phrase often enough[/sub] that you might be the firestarter, twisted firestarter?

OT: Nice job. What would the White Guy Defense Force do if they met the SJW Army?
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
How do you dislike a person for a single review? Did he compare Uprising to Hitler or something?
Bad first impression. I didn't know who he was back then.
 

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Hover Hand Mode said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
How do you dislike a person for a single review? Did he compare Uprising to Hitler or something?
Bad first impression. I didn't know who he was back then.
I see. That makes sense, I guess. Thanks for the answer.
 
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Zachary Amaranth said:
Dude, I don't think you know who you're talking to. As an internet infamous SJW who has been labeled "the worst of the social justice warriors" for pointing out things like the fact that women have served in wars, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on what it takes to start a shitstorm.
Maybe take a step down off your soapbox, Zach; you can stir up an argument in the Escapist forums, you're not "internet infamous". A quick Google turns up only your Youtube and Nostalgia Critic accounts, so unless you're secretly Zoe Quinn you might want to reconsider how big an impact you have.

OT: Now all the boss needs is a picture of Erin holding a whiteboard and she can start whatever she wants.
 

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Good comic today. Short, to the point, maybe even a bit measured in its delivery.

I tend to find that about half the comics your outfit puts out are too high-concept for me: either I just don't get it or, when I do get what you're talking about, it seems like you were more interested in being clever than being funny. But this one works, and I think it's a nice comment on the...uh, 'fun' that people are having these days on the issue of gamers getting political in whatever direction.
 

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Can I just mention how awesomely Erin is drawn in this one? Especially in panels 3 and 4.
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
Why? This isn't Destructoid.
If you don't get the joke...
the Destructoid user base would never shut up about perceived greivences (like when Jim gave Vanquish a 4).
 

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Damnations! The youtube video is not available in my country!

I feel cheated out of a cheap shot!
Sotanaht said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!

MarsAtlas said:
I don't know how neither Cory or Grey ended up on that list, after WGDF.

Quick, guys! Free publicity, just release a new WGDF!
Baffling, innit? I would think they'd be public enemies #1 and 2 with the response that got.
No, a sentence about equality would be pretty much ignored on either side. If a SJW says it, #gamergate will just pass over it in favor of cherry picking the hatespeech. If someone on the #gamergate side of things says something about equality the sjws will pass right over it and slander them with muh-soggy-knee anyway.
It is being ignored because diversity is not what gamergate is trying to oppose. There has never been a pushback against more diversety for crying out loud.

They push back against shitflingers who call us all (you included btw if you play games) mysoginerds and other nice things just because we do not agree with the practices and arguments of professional victims and the conflicts of internet in games journalism where everyone is buddy buddy and interconnected to each other to such a degree that it makes your head spin, and the people that support them blindly.

Gamergate isnt ignoring the moderate people, they are simply not attacking them because they are not what gamergate stands against. And btw, gamers do call out the shitflingers on their own side quite often and rather strongly, but the nature of the internet makes it so that assholes can be assholes and no one can really do something against it kept for pointing those people out.

The reason these moderate people are mainly ignored is because they are not the enemy. Why should they be focused on when they arent the ones pointing fingers at gamers everywhere and calling them "mysogynerds" and worse? They have done nothing wrong.. they havent attacked gamers... and their arguments are also not wrong.

Gamergate is not against diversity and a better portrayal of EVERYONE in gaming, they are against being told that they are women hating fat bastards with neckbeards and yellowing underpants who are afraid the boys club is being invaded by the cooties, when over 45 % of gamers nowadays are allready female and the medium is more welcoming to any gender and sexual orientation THEN ANY OTHER HOBBY IN THE WORLD.

Dont believe me? Try to come out as a star basketball or football or soccer player. Try to get into the scouts as a kid if you are gay. Try to play with the guys in sports if youre a women. Or try to play with the girls if you are a male but identify as a woman.

You know where this stuff doesnt matter to anyone? In gaming.

And yet... we all hate women, people of different color and sexual orientation.

Screw the rules! I have green hair!
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
It's been 3 years since this, how long are we going to cling to something Bob said?, I noticed you linked it in the attempt to reignite the old discussion but it's been over and done with for 3 years now.



OT: I get the joke but I can't really get with all the commotion still going on through every section of this website.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Actually, one need not look further than Anita Sarkeesian, a woman who could read the ingredients of breakfast cereal and still get hatemail based on it.
Pffft-didn't you hear? Her kickstarter to read off a cereal box got a lot of money! And all because she received a few whiny crybaby "harassments" and "death threats with her address included". What a whiny baby. God, I bet the whole thing's just a scam.
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
Ahhh, I forgot about that. That's why I stopped listening to MovieBob for gaming news. Well, that and his constant harping on about how grey and dull Halo is/was.
 

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Thunderous Cacophony said:
unless you're secretly Zoe Quinn
You've uncovered the truth behind the Quinnspiracy!

Everyone run and hide, we "White Knights" must be scattered to preserve the sanctity of our order!

OT: I saw the first two panels Grey linked the other day on Twitter, and to be honest "Jim "Gave Vanquish 5/10" Sterling" and "Matt Lees' Preposterous Haircut" were enough to make me bust out laughing, everything else is just [insert overused idiom here].
 

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Doug said:
Ahhh, I forgot about that. That's why I stopped listening to MovieBob for gaming news. Well, that and his constant harping on about how grey and dull Halo is/was.
*Considers saying "But Halo was dull and grey," but upon reflection decides that's too much like trolling and decides not to*

Oh, wait . . . Damn!

On topic, boy is that a surprise I wouldn't want to wake up to in the morning.
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
Considering the tone of the recent internet argument going on I think the name Bob "Metroid: Other M is a great game" Chipman is a more interesting name.
 

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Good Comic. Surprisingly moderate, calling out the ridiculousness and paranoia of some of the most vocal anti-SJWs, as well as the, ironically, bigoted hate speech typical of the very worst of the worst of SJWs. Though if recent forum activity is anything to go by the definitions of SJW and anti-SJW are apparently hotly contested so what do I know.
 

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Yeah how anyone can think that poor [https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/502692856738619392] innocent [https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/502038039968112640] bob would ever zealously attack people for having a different opinion than him is beyond me.
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
moviebob said:
I can't wait for the flaming war between the hardcore tablet gaming versus casual cybernetic eye implant gaming
That day I will move to Mars, close my eyes and play Super Mario Brain Chip Land in my head in the way (tell me Nintendo wouldn't try something that gimmick).
 

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Shadow-Phoenix said:
RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
It's been 3 years since this, how long are we going to cling to something Bob said?, I noticed you linked it in the attempt to reignite the old discussion but it's been over and done with for 3 years now.
I was just curious to see if there's any chance of shifting this from being an SJW rage thread to a PC gamer rage thread (it's getting a bit monotonous). :)

The link was as a reference to newer users.

Fsyco said:
If you don't get the joke...
the Destructoid user base would never shut up about perceived greivences (like when Jim gave Vanquish a 4).
... when he gave The Witcher 2 a 6/10! The scandal!
 

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so is Jim not liked for not giving Vanquish a high score? I didn't think much of it either; a somewhat competent shooter with absolutely ridiculous story, script, characters and endless attempts at making the protagonist as quote-unquote "cool" as possible. After hearing nothing but praise for the game I was severely underwhelmed, the only note worthy moments are the ok shooting/skidding mechanics and everything else being facepalmingly awful, but in an unironic way.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
..snip

Actually, one need not look further than Anita Sarkeesian, a woman who could read the ingredients of breakfast cereal and still get hatemail based on it.

snip...
Anita Sarkeesian in alternate reality:

"The ingredient list contains sugar, whole grain corn flour, wheat flour, whole grain oat flour, oat hull fibre, corn bran, hydrogenated coconut and vegetable oil, salt, colour, natural fruit flavouring, bht, and vitamins. Notice how milk is left out of the list, diminishing its importance as an important ingredient of a complete breakfast."

Next day she receives hatemail from people suffering from lactose intolerance.
 

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RJ Dalton said:
Doug said:
Ahhh, I forgot about that. That's why I stopped listening to MovieBob for gaming news. Well, that and his constant harping on about how grey and dull Halo is/was.
*Considers saying "But Halo was dull and grey," but upon reflection decides that's too much like trolling and decides not to*

Oh, wait . . . Damn!

On topic, boy is that a surprise I wouldn't want to wake up to in the morning.
Honestly, I've never been a fan of Halo. But I just found him going on and on about it annoying.
 

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Maybe take a step down off your soapbox, Zach; you can stir up an argument in the Escapist forums, you're not "internet infamous". A quick Google turns up only your Youtube and Nostalgia Critic accounts, so unless you're secretly Zoe Quinn you might want to reconsider how big an impact you have.

OT: Now all the boss needs is a picture of Erin holding a whiteboard and she can start whatever she wants.
Dude, I just described myself as a social justice warrior. At least entertain for a moment that I might not have been serious. I was actually having fun with claims I was infamous both on and off The Escapist. Apparently, for srs. That you could only find two o my linked accounts on a Google search actually makes it funnier.

As for being Zoe Quinn, the internet exploded when it found out how many penises she'd taken. I can totally top that.
 

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Under_your_bed said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Actually, one need not look further than Anita Sarkeesian, a woman who could read the ingredients of breakfast cereal and still get hatemail based on it.
Pffft-didn't you hear? Her kickstarter to read off a cereal box got a lot of money! And all because she received a few whiny crybaby "harassments" and "death threats with her address included". What a whiny baby. God, I bet the whole thing's just a scam.
Totally. I mean, C3r34l K1ll3r has been doing those videos for free, and receives death threats constantly, but you don't hear him complaining.

CaitSeith said:
Anita Sarkeesian in alternate reality:

"The ingredient list contains sugar, whole grain corn flour, wheat flour, whole grain oat flour, oat hull fibre, corn bran, hydrogenated coconut and vegetable oil, salt, colour, natural fruit flavouring, bht, and vitamins. Notice how milk is left out of the list, diminishing its importance as an important ingredient of a complete breakfast."

Next day she receives hatemail from people suffering from lactose intolerance.
Christ, I just choked on my lunch! That was awesome!
 

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KaZuYa said:
Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
Oh my god, that comment made my day

OT: Both sides are wrong, internet people need to be less angry and journalist people need to stop calling gamers mean words. Honestly, I just don't care anymore about any of this stuff, I'm just so jaded. It seems that for the past year the most popular topic of game journalism has been game journalism. Can't we just talk about how we like games?

Maybe I'm just too much of a misogynerd or an SJW to understand this though.
 

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Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
What a world it would be to not be judged while I'm being violated.
 

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As to the list...that thing seriously pisses me off. I do not believe even a little bit that its creator understands what the word "censorship" means, and I would love to know how he defines it such that whatever the people he complains about are censoring him but his trying to silence those people by taking away their jobs does not meet that same definition.
I'm sure that list is just of people the author didn't agree with. I don't agree with Jim and Bob all the time *ahemLeaveMichaelBayaloneahem* but is this list really necessary.
 

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SJWs? Controversies? Rape accusations?

Come on guys, I'm just tryna to find a release date for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain here. Not everything needs to be wrapped in arguments and debates. Can't games journalism just be about games again?

P.S. Thanks
 

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A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get mad if I wanted to.
 

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*Facedesk* And just when I thought the front page stuff was returning to normal...

Silent Protagonist said:
Good Comic. Surprisingly moderate, calling out the ridiculousness and paranoia of some of the most vocal anti-SJWs, as well as the, ironically, bigoted hate speech typical of the very worst of the worst of SJWs.
^This, this, this.

But I'm a pessimist, so I got five bucks saying that's completely overlooked as the extremists cherry pick the parts they don't like to further their eternal crusade.
 

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I thought it was pretty funny, myself, and normally I don't like these Critical Miss comics.

It felt like just the right commentary on the fact that it's all still news, and getting attention.
 

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VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get the joke if I wanted to.
Fixed that for ya.
 

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tm96 said:
I'm sure that list is just of people the author didn't agree with. I don't agree with Jim and Bob all the time *ahemLeaveMichaelBayaloneahem* but is this list really necessary.
Just to be clear on what we're both talking about, we're talking about the real "don't support these people or the sites they work from" list the first panel of the comic is referencing, right?
 

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Good job poking fun at every side there, one of the better responses to this stupid drama I've seen as of late.




[small]And here's hoping we get to see a Critical Miss response to Techies.[/small]
 

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JimB said:
tm96 said:
I'm sure that list is just of people the author didn't agree with. I don't agree with Jim and Bob all the time *ahemLeaveMichaelBayaloneahem* but is this list really necessary.
Just to be clear on what we're both talking about, we're talking about the real "don't support these people or the sites they work from" list the first panel of the comic is referencing, right?
Yes. I don't really like the list at all.
 

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Covarr said:
SJWs? Controversies? Rape accusations?

Come on guys, I'm just tryna to find a release date for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain here. Not everything needs to be wrapped in arguments and debates. Can't games journalism just be about games again?

P.S. Thanks
Critical Miss announced the release of MGSV week ago. Where have you been?

VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get mad if I wanted to.
You...You can't be serious.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Sotanaht said:
No, a sentence about equality would be pretty much ignored on either side. If a SJW says it, #gamergate will just pass over it in favor of cherry picking the hatespeech. If someone on the #gamergate side of things says something about equality the sjws will pass right over it and slander them with muh-soggy-knee anyway.
Dude, I don't think you know who you're talking to. As an internet infamous SJW who has been labeled "the worst of the social justice warriors" for pointing out things like the fact that women have served in wars, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on what it takes to start a shitstorm.

Actually, one need not look further than Anita Sarkeesian, a woman who could read the ingredients of breakfast cereal and still get hatemail based on it.

Hover Hand Mode said:
(I disliked Sterling when he gave Kid Icarus Uprising a 5/10. But Jimquisition is great, so whatever.)
How do you dislike a person for a single review? Did he compare Uprising to Hitler or something?
@Zachary_Amaranth
I wouldn't really call you "internet infamous" since besid this site i haven't seen you be mentioned any where else. in fact i haven't even heard of you until coming to this site.
quick (~1min) google search didn't reveal much besides a steam and "that guy with the glasses" profile.

so where do you get "internet infamous" from?
 

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Yes. I don't really like the list at all.
Okay, thanks, just checking. In light of that "they hate white guys" comment earlier in the thread (which I know you didn't make), I thought it was best to see if anyone was taking things literally.
 

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HAHA! Well they do say go big or go home... but isn't getting a billboard kind of counter productive to the whole "get free advertising" idea?
Well, this is Sharon we're talking about here. Erin said no to saying something inflammatory (for once), so she's throwing her under the bus and paying for it. A truly awful boss.

OT: It's uncanny how accurate those pictures of Bob and Jim look like them. I'm still kind of afraid to watch this week's Jimquisition, because of what I'm expecting is a huge shitstorm there. I also laughed at "KOTAKU: ALL OF THEM"
 

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Irony. Guess they forgot that time they drew a parallel between white dudes bitching on the web and George Zimmerman killing a black kid.
 

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I honestly can't tell who this comic is more of a potshot at. And that is the best kind of joke. Man, you guys have been on a roll lately.

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Anita Sarkeesian in alternate reality:

"The ingredient list contains sugar, whole grain corn flour, wheat flour, whole grain oat flour, oat hull fibre, corn bran, hydrogenated coconut and vegetable oil, salt, colour, natural fruit flavouring, bht, and vitamins. Notice how milk is left out of the list, diminishing its importance as an important ingredient of a complete breakfast."

Next day she receives hatemail from people suffering from lactose intolerance.
Best. Kind. Of joke.
Wish this site had something like a rep system, cuz that was funny.
 

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(Seriously though, people; be nice.)
Yes Queen Ninja Michael. Sorry Queen Ninja Michael.


In all honesty The critical miss guys do seem to spend of time taking the piss out of straight white males. Don't know if either of them are gay, but if the comics anything to by they are both certainly white.

Then again they seem to have it out for Evangelion fans the most.
 

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I don't understand, isn't this essentially the same joke as "White Guy Defense Force"?
No, it's making fun of this.

http://imgur.com/NFGgOEU
 

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Ahhh, I forgot about that. That's why I stopped listening to MovieBob for gaming news. Well, that and his constant harping on about how grey and dull Halo is/was.
*Considers saying "But Halo was dull and grey," but upon reflection decides that's too much like trolling and decides not to*

Oh, wait . . . Damn!

On topic, boy is that a surprise I wouldn't want to wake up to in the morning.
Honestly, I've never been a fan of Halo. But I just found him going on and on about it annoying.
I'd be more indifferent to Halo if people didn't keep shoving it in my face and saying "THIS IS TEH BEST GAME EVAR!!!! 10/10 YOU MUST PLAY AND LIKE OR ELSE YOU ARE SO STOOPID!!!!" I mean, if the attitude was more "Hey, I enjoy this game, it just hits the right buttons for me," I'd be like "Well, I get a kick out of Billy and Mandy, so who am I to judge?"
 

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I also laughed at "KOTAKU: ALL OF THEM"
For the record, the list they're actually referencing really does say "Kotaku: All of them!" in giant text. I legitimately laughed when I read it for the first time. Just about everybody who has ended up on one of those lists has been making jokes about it, too. For example:

"I think its time I finally admitted my role in all of this."

https://twitter.com/CousinDangereux/status/506171562492301312/photo/1

Yeah, follow that link. Can't embed the image here.
 

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@Zachary_Amaranth
I wouldn't really call you "internet infamous" since besid this site i haven't seen you be mentioned any where else. in fact i haven't even heard of you until coming to this site.
quick (~1min) google search didn't reveal much besides a steam and "that guy with the glasses" profile.

so where do you get "internet infamous" from?
I'll just repeat the previous response:

Zachary Amaranth said:
Dude, I just described myself as a social justice warrior. At least entertain for a moment that I might not have been serious. I was actually having fun with claims I was infamous both on and off The Escapist. Apparently, for srs. That you could only find two o my linked accounts on a Google search actually makes it funnier.

As for being Zoe Quinn, the internet exploded when it found out how many penises she'd taken. I can totally top that.
And remind people that when someone refers to themselves directly as a "social justice warrior" they might not be serious.


Though looking for my own post, I did find Shrek's post, which I missed before.

shrekfan246 said:
You've uncovered the truth behind the Quinnspiracy!
Does that mean we've reached Quinnception?
 

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Lees' hair is quite preposterous, isn't it?

It must run about while he's sleeping and then before he wakes up it goes back on his head so that he doesn't notice.
It's entirely possible that it fears his bed. That bed is horrifying...

OT: I don't know who most of these people are, but Matt Lees? Really? While I don't follow the man's output closely, I've yet to hear him say anything overtly-- I'm not going to finish that sentence. It's just too stupid. Lovely comic though. Thanks for the chuckle.
 

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It's been interesting to see this particular kerfuffle unfolding at The Escapist, since I don't read much of the gaming-related internet, and in the part of the internet that filters through to me, "Social Justice Warrior" is primarily a thing that a certain group of people (mainly on tumblr) who are actually kind of inclined to say things like "all white men are rapists" are actually inclined to call themselves. The second most common use is to talk about specifically those people, and put it in scare quotes to bring home the point that someone on tumblr who tells thin people to kill themselves is neither social, just, nor a warrior.

Is it bad that, being a white male, my first reaction is to feel relieved that social justice warriors are seen as so obviously crazy that people sling that as an insult against people who are just a bit too feminist for their taste?
 

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Zachary: "As for being Zoe Quinn, the internet exploded when it found out how many penises she'd taken. I can totally top that."

Speaking for myself, and possibly quite a few others, I really, REALLY don't want to know how many penises you've taken.

(And for God's sake, GIVE THEM BACK!)
 

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Robert B. Marks said:
Zachary: "As for being Zoe Quinn, the internet exploded when it found out how many penises she'd taken. I can totally top that."

Speaking for myself, and possibly quite a few others, I really, REALLY don't want to know how many penises you've taken.

(And for God's sake, GIVE THEM BACK!)
Trust me, the victims aren't gonna want them back after they discover what he's been doing with them.
It's not what you're thinking, but you'll kinda wish it was.
 

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That was actually pretty funny. Good comic.

ticklefist said:
Irony. Guess they forgot that time they drew a parallel between white dudes bitching on the web and George Zimmerman killing a black kid.
Wait, what?
 

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Nails it. All my regular news media sources have started including bits on the gamer 'controversy' and thus given tonnes of free publicity to Kotaku et al.

If this were a football match, the score on both sides would consist almost entirely of own goals.
 

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haha ok i must admit that was a good one

i used to think that SJW list of journos was stupid... until this whole thing started, but ever since then ive seen people say stuff dangerously close to "all white men are rapists"

i think this difference should always be pointed out, advocating for equality is not the same thing as being a SJW, a SJW is an extremist that needs to shove his beliefs down everyone's throat, and that is obsessed with the race, gender and sexual oritentation of people, to the point where they usually come off as racist, sexist and heterophobic
 

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Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
why does this guy keeps giving me reasons to hate him?
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
It's been a while, but wasn't the point of the video to say that PC gaming wasn't "Dying/Dead", but was actually just having it's market change, or something like that?

Hence why the full title was "PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming".

OT: Anyway, funny comic. :) I guess this makes them even for that one time Erin sent an angry mob to Sharon's home. ;p

Edit: This one.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comicsandcosplay/comics/critical-miss/8189-42


VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get mad if I wanted to.
And you should be mad, why? :/
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get the joke if I wanted to.
Fixed that for ya.
I get the joke. I just can't help but think that they're purposely trying to recreate the WGDF shitstorm again.
 

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So why was Bob on this dumb list of dumb? He's a film critic who talks about games and general nerd culture as well. I wouldn't describe him as a games journalist.
 

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I don't really care for the issues that the strip is attempting to address, from either side of the argument, I just want Erin to stop looking so put-upon in the second panel.

I just... dammit, guys! How can one drawing elicit so much sympathy?!
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
weirdo8977 said:
@Zachary_Amaranth
I wouldn't really call you "internet infamous" since besid this site i haven't seen you be mentioned any where else. in fact i haven't even heard of you until coming to this site.
quick (~1min) google search didn't reveal much besides a steam and "that guy with the glasses" profile.

so where do you get "internet infamous" from?
I'll just repeat the previous response:

Zachary Amaranth said:
Dude, I just described myself as a social justice warrior. At least entertain for a moment that I might not have been serious. I was actually having fun with claims I was infamous both on and off The Escapist. Apparently, for srs. That you could only find two o my linked accounts on a Google search actually makes it funnier.

As for being Zoe Quinn, the internet exploded when it found out how many penises she'd taken. I can totally top that.
And remind people that when someone refers to themselves directly as a "social justice warrior" they might not be serious.


Though looking for my own post, I did find Shrek's post, which I missed before.

shrekfan246 said:
You've uncovered the truth behind the Quinnspiracy!
Does that mean we've reached Quinnception?
Sorry. I didn't see that post from before. It did seem like you where being serious. Though it was probably my inability to detect non-obvious sarcasm through text alone.
 

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So why was Bob on this dumb list of dumb? He's a film critic who talks about games and general nerd culture as well. I wouldn't describe him as a games journalist.
Doesn't mean that people can't get super mad about him :mad:
 

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Is it supposed to be ironic that this comic is trying to take the piss out of something that it's guilty of doing anyway?
 

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RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
Why does this guy keep giving me reasons to hate him?
Uh, leaving aside whether hate is a proportionate response to someone saying something about gaming, I don't know what you mean by "keep," since the video linked is three and a half years old.
 

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JimB said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
RA92 said:
Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
Why does this guy keep giving me reasons to hate him?
Uh, leaving aside whether hate is a proportionate response to someone saying something about gaming, I don't know what you mean by "keep," since the video linked is three and a half years old.
i mean "keep" in the sense that the more i know about moviebob, the less i like him

that video wouldve been laughable on itself, but im already pissed by the terrible stuff that guy said to everyone critizing gaming journalism
 

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In all honesty The critical miss guys do seem to spend of time taking the piss out of straight white males. Don't know if either of them are gay, but if the comics anything to by they are both certainly white.

Then again they seem to have it out for Evangelion fans the most.
Dude, they ARE Evangelion fans. They just enjoy poking fun at a famous thing that they like. And then it got so much attention that they decided to keep doing that. I think, I'm not a psychic after all.

They don't have anything against straight white males in general either. They just like going after the Reddit/4Chan users who tend to say a lot of absolutely stupid and/or hateful things. I'm a straight white dude, and I've never felt attacked by anything they say because I don't routinely say hateful and ignorant things. I think. I suppose if I was ignorant I'd be ignorant of my ignorance. But that's besides the point. They don't have a problem with people who aren't being dickheads, regardless of their race.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!
Sadly accurate.

Grahav said:
Acting like a dickwack grants you free advertising. EA was right all along!!!
Just sad.

OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
 

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OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
I dunno. Maybe it continues to be a very silly sentence that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone in their right mind? It's a comic strip that pokes fun at both sides of the mess, lighten up, for goodness' sake.

OT: Ah, the power of humor and irony. Maybe we can start having a chuckle at this whole thing and each other, now that the dust has begun to settle. Thanks a bunch, you two. You give me hope.
 

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Max_imus said:
Rocket Girl said:
OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
I dunno. Maybe it continues to be a very silly sentence that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone in their right mind? It's a comic strip that pokes fun at both sides of the mess, lighten up, for goodness' sake.

OT: Ah, the power of humor and irony. Maybe we can start having a chuckle at this whole thing and each other, now that the dust has begun to settle. Thanks a bunch, you two. You give me hope.
I'm confused. Did you think I took the comic seriously or found it offensive or something? I didn't. I was just wondering what people would say. Call it morbid curiosity.
 

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VanQ said:
MiracleOfSound said:
VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get the joke if I wanted to.
Fixed that for ya.
I get the joke. I just can't help but think that they're purposely trying to recreate the WGDF shitstorm again.
How anybody I can offended by that given the context....baffles me

I mean I can understand why Somone would be offended at WGDF [footnote/] weather I think that offence is justified is another thing entirely[/footnote] but this? As much as I don't like to dictate to people what they should or shouldn't be offended by...there are limits
 

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VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get mad if I wanted to.
The joke went so far above you that it's reached escape velocity and is now orbiting your head. The last panel is poking fun at the SJWs who try to gain infamy by generalizing all white men, while the first panel is making fun of the zealotry of some anti-SJWs. This is the perfect representation of the situation at hand.

You guys are overtly sensitive!

Imp Emissary said:
It's been a while, but wasn't the point of the video to say that PC gaming wasn't "Dying/Dead", but was actually just having it's market change, or something like that?

Hence why the full title was "PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming".
It was a really garbled argument, like how the console motion controls would supersede the mouse and keyboard (we saw how that turned out) and how devices like laptops would replace PCs... while it was already considered part of the PC platform? I remember shaking my head because he was gleefully showing all the supposed alternatives to the PC being closed systems (the antithesis of PC gaming), as if that was a good thing.
 

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direkiller said:
Westaway said:
I don't understand, isn't this essentially the same joke as "White Guy Defense Force"?
No, it's making fun of this.

http://imgur.com/NFGgOEU

Oh, wow. Here, I thought that was just included to emphasize the ridiculous dismissive attitude you see in these discussions, but no, that list actually exists. O_O

Also, I've given the bare minimum required effort, before being allowed to ask for help without being shamed for not trying, that is, into finding out who Matt Lees is and all I found out is apparently he's some major gamer. Could someone just summarize who he is? I'd appreciate it.

RA92 said:
Imp Emissary said:
It's been a while, but wasn't the point of the video to say that PC gaming wasn't "Dying/Dead", but was actually just having it's market change, or something like that?

Hence why the full title was "PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming".
It was a really garbled argument, like how the console motion controls would supersede the mouse and keyboard (we saw how that turned out) and how devices like laptops would replace PCs... while it was already considered part of the PC platform? I remember shaking my head because he was gleefully showing all the supposed alternatives to the PC being closed systems (the antithesis of PC gaming), as if that was a good thing.
Even when people get mad at MovieBob from time to time, whether it's going on too much about Man of Steel and The Amazing Spider-Man or just him not admitting to when he's legitimately acting snobby (something that usually doesn't happen and is just a pathetic insult to discredit people who know more about something than you) or dismissive due to some stubbornness or fanboyism, he's still better at the movie and TV shtick. He really should stick to that. Whenever he talks about games you can guess at a very likely chance at him saying something far more ridiculous though the episode he did on Zelda was decent compared to his other gaming episodes.
 

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Rocket Girl said:
Max_imus said:
Rocket Girl said:
OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
I dunno. Maybe it continues to be a very silly sentence that shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone in their right mind? It's a comic strip that pokes fun at both sides of the mess, lighten up, for goodness' sake.

OT: Ah, the power of humor and irony. Maybe we can start having a chuckle at this whole thing and each other, now that the dust has begun to settle. Thanks a bunch, you two. You give me hope.
I'm confused. Did you think I took the comic seriously or found it offensive or something? I didn't. I was just wondering what people would say. Call it morbid curiosity.
Ah, sorry if I misinterpreted that, it happens at 6 AM I guess. I was just a bit baffled that a thought like that could even come up in this context.
 

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Rocket Girl said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!
Sadly accurate.

Grahav said:
Acting like a dickwack grants you free advertising. EA was right all along!!!
Just sad.

OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
Here in Brazil? Jail.
 

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Grahav said:
Rocket Girl said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!
Sadly accurate.

Grahav said:
Acting like a dickwack grants you free advertising. EA was right all along!!!
Just sad.

OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
Here in Brazil? Jail.
Jail for what? For saying something mean about a black person? I'm confused. You serious? Now I have to look this up lol.
 

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VanQ said:
MiracleOfSound said:
VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get the joke if I wanted to.
Fixed that for ya.
I get the joke. I just can't help but think that they're purposely trying to recreate the WGDF shitstorm again.
Well, wouldn't you? That was hilarious. Maddening, but hilarious.
 

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The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
 

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Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
 

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Why does Erin's hair change colour between panel 2, 3 and 4? Or is it just a lighting thing?
 

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Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
 

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That Erin on the billboard looks so happy, you just want to high-five her!
And somehow I never noticed the earring things, nice detail.
 

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rbstewart7263 said:
Rocket Girl said:
Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
The first one is loaded with jokes and is clearly not serious. The image has nothing to do with anyone suggesting white men are rapists and the third is literally made by someone with the name "cispeoplearegross" where they talk about killing their child if they are cis. How is that even remotely meant to be taken seriously?

You've taken a joke thread akin to the comic posted here, an unrelated image and a snapshot of a discussion between people that may as well have actually named themselves WeAreTrolling. Where is this so called "cis men should be executed" argument?

EDIT: That Reddit? This is their description, as written by them:

Seen a horribly oppressed transethnic otherkin blog their plight? Wept at how terrible it is for the suffering of multiple systems to go unheard every day? Been unable to even live with the thought of the identities of someone's headmates being cisdenied?
Then you've come to the right place!
Please.
 

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Joseph Harrison said:
KaZuYa said:
Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
Oh my god, that comment made my day

OT: Both sides are wrong, internet people need to be less angry and journalist people need to stop calling gamers mean words. Honestly, I just don't care anymore about any of this stuff, I'm just so jaded. It seems that for the past year the most popular topic of game journalism has been game journalism. Can't we just talk about how we like games?

Maybe I'm just too much of a misogynerd or an SJW to understand this though.
Unfortunately for you, no people can't. You may think you aren't picking a side by abstaining from the discussion and wanting to just enjoy games, but not picking a side is a form of implicit support for the status quo. The status quo is currently being accused of being a hyper-agressive, poisonous, misogynistic gaming culture, so you might want to think carefully about whether you should be implicitly supporting it. Perhaps you should rethink not having an opinion on the matter? (Even if the opinion ends up being "no, gaming culture is no where near like that", that is probably better than having no opinion.)
 

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maninahat said:
Joseph Harrison said:
KaZuYa said:
Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
Oh my god, that comment made my day

OT: Both sides are wrong, internet people need to be less angry and journalist people need to stop calling gamers mean words. Honestly, I just don't care anymore about any of this stuff, I'm just so jaded. It seems that for the past year the most popular topic of game journalism has been game journalism. Can't we just talk about how we like games?

Maybe I'm just too much of a misogynerd or an SJW to understand this though.
Unfortunately for you, no people can't. You may think you aren't picking a side by abstaining from the discussion and wanting to just enjoy games, but not picking a side is a form of implicit support for the status quo. The status quo is currently being accused of being a hyper-agressive, poisonous, misogynistic gaming culture, so you might want to think carefully about whether you should be implicitly supporting it. Perhaps you should rethink not having an opinion on the matter? (Even if the opinion ends up being "no, gaming culture is no where near like that", that is probably better than having no opinion.)
I disagree with your version of the status quo. The status quo is journalists and critics accusing gaming culture of being that way. It has been the status quo for a few years now.
 

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Erin's boss has it wrong. Erin doesn't need to say anything inflammatory. She nearly needs to continue that sentence about diversity and by the time it hits the web, it'll BE "all white men are rapists."

As someone who evidently is "infamous,"I should know!
Sadly accurate.

Grahav said:
Acting like a dickwack grants you free advertising. EA was right all along!!!
Just sad.

OT (sort of): I wonder what happens if you change the white part of that sentence to black.
Here in Brazil? Jail.
Jail for what? For saying something mean about a black person? I'm confused. You serious? Now I have to look this up lol.
Pretty serious.

1 to 3 years of jail and a fine.

Never heard of being applied in a case of a black person using racial slurs against a white person.


http://www.jusbrasil.com.br/topicos/10622481/paragrafo-3-artigo-140-do-decreto-lei-n-2848-de-07-de-dezembro-de-1940


Good intentions, but I think people get too much thin skinned because of it. I prefer the "Boondocks" method where "******" is so overused that the word loses its power.
 

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Oh please, that's not how you become the most hated person on the internet, just sit down and watch.

I like the Call of Duty series. I believe that each game delivers a good and chaotic gaming experience no matter what some "reviewer" says. And they are not just for "Bro" gamers either, everyone can enjoy them.
 

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maninahat said:
Joseph Harrison said:
KaZuYa said:
Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
Oh my god, that comment made my day

OT: Both sides are wrong, internet people need to be less angry and journalist people need to stop calling gamers mean words. Honestly, I just don't care anymore about any of this stuff, I'm just so jaded. It seems that for the past year the most popular topic of game journalism has been game journalism. Can't we just talk about how we like games?

Maybe I'm just too much of a misogynerd or an SJW to understand this though.
Unfortunately for you, no people can't. You may think you aren't picking a side by abstaining from the discussion and wanting to just enjoy games, but not picking a side is a form of implicit support for the status quo. The status quo is currently being accused of being a hyper-agressive, poisonous, misogynistic gaming culture, so you might want to think carefully about whether you should be implicitly supporting it. Perhaps you should rethink not having an opinion on the matter? (Even if the opinion ends up being "no, gaming culture is no where near like that", that is probably better than having no opinion.)
I disagree with your version of the status quo. The status quo is journalists and critics accusing gaming culture of being that way. It has been the status quo for a few years now.
I'm not sure you read what I wrote very carefully.
 

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Once more into the hornet's nest!

You lads are getting a kick out of this, aren't you?

VanQ said:
A Critical Miss comic claiming all white men are horrible in some way?

Honestly, nothing is amiss here.

I couldn't even get mad if I wanted to.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/LCDprojLiesegang3.xcf/800px-LCDprojLiesegang3.xcf.png

Welp, splendid. Film night. Anyone for The Great Escape?

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Bob 'PC-Gaming-is-Dead' [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2911-PC-Gaming-Is-Dead-Long-Live-PC-Gaming] Chipman, surely?

C'mon! Let's give old controversies some love and be smug in hindsight.
why does this guy keeps giving me reasons to hate him?
Is... Is that a significant reason enough to personal hatred? What he said was effectively "PC gaming is unsubstainable because the home PC phenomenom is disappearing as phones and tablets take their place". A prediction that so far seems to be wrong, but not something to reserve hatred for.
 

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maninahat said:
misogynerd said:
maninahat said:
Joseph Harrison said:
KaZuYa said:
Is it so hard to dream of a world full of multicultural rapists
Oh my god, that comment made my day

OT: Both sides are wrong, internet people need to be less angry and journalist people need to stop calling gamers mean words. Honestly, I just don't care anymore about any of this stuff, I'm just so jaded. It seems that for the past year the most popular topic of game journalism has been game journalism. Can't we just talk about how we like games?

Maybe I'm just too much of a misogynerd or an SJW to understand this though.
Unfortunately for you, no people can't. You may think you aren't picking a side by abstaining from the discussion and wanting to just enjoy games, but not picking a side is a form of implicit support for the status quo. The status quo is currently being accused of being a hyper-agressive, poisonous, misogynistic gaming culture, so you might want to think carefully about whether you should be implicitly supporting it. Perhaps you should rethink not having an opinion on the matter? (Even if the opinion ends up being "no, gaming culture is no where near like that", that is probably better than having no opinion.)
I disagree with your version of the status quo. The status quo is journalists and critics accusing gaming culture of being that way. It has been the status quo for a few years now.
I think I quoted the wrong person. Sorry!

I'm not sure you read what I wrote very carefully.
 

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Is... Is that a significant reason enough to personal hatred? What he said was effectively "PC gaming is unsubstainable because the home PC phenomenom is disappearing as phones and tablets take their place". A prediction that so far seems to be wrong, but not something to reserve hatred for.
actually no, when he insulted me for wanted more honest game journalism, repeatedly, then i started to hate him, this is just the icing of the cake

the more ive come to know about him, the less i want to see any of his videos
 

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I don't understand, isn't this essentially the same joke as "White Guy Defense Force"?
No, it's making fun of this.
http://imgur.com/NFGgOEU
Oh, wow. Here, I thought that was just included to emphasize the ridiculous dismissive attitude you see in these discussions, but no, that list actually exists. O_O
Yes the poe's law is strong in this.
And it is rather sad tbh.
 

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heterophobic

Surely you jest?

You know thats not a real thing, right?

you tell me, what does this look like?

http://www.donotlink.com/hqE

if you dont like the term heterophobia, i can use the term "discrimination agaisnt straight people" both get the point accross

im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic

im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's

and judging by the hashtag #notyourshield, im not the only one
 

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you tell me, what does this look like?

http://www.donotlink.com/hqE
Somebody trying to explain the concept of privilege to people who are themselves very privileged, thus not having witnessed many of the biases present in society.

if you dont like the term heterophobia, i can use the term "discrimination agaisnt straight people" both get the point accross
Oh yes, how could I forget the long history of the world where straight people have been systematically persecuted, often through genocide, by gay people.

Oh wait.

im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic
You shouldn't feel guilty about it. I don't feel guilty for being white - there's nothing to feel guilty about. I myself have done nothing to harm anybody in the past. However, to deny that I have benefitted from from an established society that has, for hundreds of years, systematically lifted white people above people with any other racial characteristic, would be laughable. I'm a descendent of white europeans, and I was born into an elevated position that I wouldn't have been if not for my recent ancestors being racist dickheads. Then, there's the fact that because I'm white, I benefit from biases that harm people who aren't white, through my everyday life.

Now if I knowlingly levied the fact that I'm white against somebody who isn't white, then I'd have a reason to feel guilty. But I haven't, because I'm not that level of asshole.

im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's
Party A says "Its not real because I haven't seen it".

Party B responds "Of course you don't see it, its not aimed at you. The only instance when you'd see it is when you're a bystander."

Party A says "bullshit, because, reasons!"

Yeah, I'd say that being dismissive towards anybody who doesn't believe that privilege exists is a fair response, since talking to a brick wall is a waste of time.
 

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im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic

im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's

and judging by the hashtag #notyourshield, im not the only one
Who is saying anybody should feel guilty for their state of being? Or dismissing arguments from people for the aforementioned? I've seen between little and none of that kind of silliness here on The Escapist and I don't really visit other areas of the Internet, so it's entirely possible it's out there and I'm just ignorant, but I don't really understand where you're encountering such high quantities of such thinking that you can't just write it off as a vocal, and idiotic, minority.
 

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In regards to that image, ever heard of Poe's Law?

In fact, googling the name and checking out the profile tells me that its a troll post.

Posting that as evidence of "these psychos are everywhere!" is like if I made a post saying "queerz and da wiminz need to be thrown off cliffs!!1!" and passing it off as evidence that The Escapist is home to homocidal bigots.

There are people who exist like that, with certain ideologies, but the overwhelming amount of the time you encounter a post like that, its somebody mocking or joking rather than being genuine. Its quite obvious when you actually fact-check posts that people reblog as "evidence" of [insert group of people here] being [insert assholish behavior here].
 

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Yep. That was social commentary all right; up there with Bill Mahr or Dennis Miller... only involving a female character so not misogynistic.
 

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you tell me, what does this look like?

http://www.donotlink.com/hqE

if you dont like the term heterophobia, i can use the term "discrimination agaisnt straight people" both get the point accross

im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic

im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's

and judging by the hashtag #notyourshield, im not the only one
I knew it...I fricking knew you guys were no better than the anti racists is code word for anti white guys and those Christians that think their persecuted by gays because of their supposed "agenda" and feel worse around the holiday season because "the War on christmas" from irreligious and secular people! The problem with the "normal" white cis, straight thing is, it appears like this:



The opinion "dismissal" and "privilege checking" is solely for people with the complex that they have an equal/greater view on what is and what is not fair and just for people. "Are people making minimum wage being treated decently? Let's ask their rich, out of touch bosses to see what the 'truth' is. They'll be totally unbiased in their favor" I may not be white or even cisgender necessarily, but I almost certainly not in a situation and society where my race, sex, gender, mental state, economic background, physical state, country of origin, language, or any other thing someone can discriminate against heavily prevents me from good housing, a good job, good friends, safety, good education, or anything else. And as far as I am concerned, I don't want this to be the "easy mode", I want it to be the default setting! Now, I know this is in all likelihood, a wasted effort, and you may easily rebut something I say or comment on something I link below or say you've seen all of this before, but i don't care. i had to get this crap of my chest and your comment was the perfect place to do it.


 

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Is... Is that a significant reason enough to personal hatred? What he said was effectively "PC gaming is unsubstainable because the home PC phenomenom is disappearing as phones and tablets take their place". A prediction that so far seems to be wrong, but not something to reserve hatred for.
actually no, when he insulted me for wanted more honest game journalism, repeatedly, then i started to hate him, this is just the icing of the cake

the more ive come to know about him, the less i want to see any of his videos
Well, that is at least a reason, although if he has personally insulted you, some idle speculation on PC gaming can't be very meaningful in the long run?

(And I must say, I think you and him might've misunderstood each other at some point. I doubt he truly means to insult everyone who wants honest game journalism. Only comic book villains would want a dishonest journalistic enviroment, and I imagine he's simply failed to express that in a good way. If he has blurted out something rather toxic, which isn't too unlikely, don't take that too personally. Hatred is rather valuable, if nothing else.)

MarsAtlas said:
Caramel Frappe said:
In regards to that image, ever heard of Poe's Law?

In fact, googling the name and checking out the profile tells me that its a troll post.

Posting that as evidence of "these psychos are everywhere!" is like if I made a post saying "queerz and da wiminz need to be thrown off cliffs!!1!" and passing it off as evidence that The Escapist is home to homocidal bigots.

There are people who exist like that, with certain ideologies, but the overwhelming amount of the time you encounter a post like that, its somebody mocking or joking rather than being genuine. Its quite obvious when you actually fact-check posts that people reblog as "evidence" of [insert group of people here] being [insert assholish behavior here].
It's the gift that keep on giving! (That is, pounded keyboards and shouting)
 

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you tell me, what does this look like?


im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's
Party A says "Its not real because I haven't seen it".

Party B responds "Of course you don't see it, its not aimed at you. The only instance when you'd see it is when you're a bystander."

Party A says "bullshit, because, reasons!"

Yeah, I'd say that being dismissive towards anybody who doesn't believe that privilege exists is a fair response, since talking to a brick wall is a waste of time.
Essentially a perfect response. Unfortunately, most people won't get it and tie it to the "emperor's clothes" story for why they won't believe it. "What, I don't see systematic racism/sexism/religious bigotry/homophobia/transphobia/anything else against people who aren't like me, but I see most of it directed at demographics i more fall in line with so we have equal bearing!"
 

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Grishno video. Yum.

Skatologist said:
Essentially a perfect response. Unfortunately, most people won't get it and tie it to the "emperor's clothes" story for why they won't believe it. "What, I don't see systematic racism/sexism/religious bigotry/homophobia/transphobia/anything else against people who aren't like me, but I see all of it direct at demographics i more fall in line with so we have equal bearing!"
You know, there's a moment I remember from when I was very young, about age 8-11. My mother told me "You're a white male, nobody is ever going to give you anything." However, being forced spend a lot of my childhood around bigots, I can say with certainty that I've benefitted for being white. I've benefitted for being perceived as a cisgender guy, for being perceived as heterosexual, for being a native of my country, for not having a disability, for being perceived as a christian. People who have done so have even outright told me so. Once you're equipped to see a certain type of bigotry, you'll see it with increasing frequency. Its not that it was never there, its just that you never saw it before.
 

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You know, there's a moment I remember from when I was very young, about age 8-11. My mother told me "You're a white male, nobody is ever going to give you anything." However, being forced spend a lot of my childhood around bigots, I can say with certainty that I've benefitted for being white. I've benefitted for being perceived as a cisgender guy, for being perceived as heterosexual, for being a native of my country, for not having a disability, for being perceived as a christian. Once you're equipped to see a certain type of bigotry, you'll see it with increasing frequency. Its not that it was never there, its just that you never saw it before.
I recognize the same for a person like me, and it's even just the little things too. I feel privileged I live in an upper middle class neighborhood with a happy non-abusive two parent family and I recognize most people won't ever recognize the comforts of that kind of life. I haven't felt any racial bigotry yet, unless you count a few people calling me "mulatto" and "mutt" behind my back, but i kind of like those words for some odd reason. I'm in one of the least religious states in the country where an atheist served in public office and I'm sure more irreligious people could follow soon. I speak one of the 3 most common languages in the world, meaning I can communicate any message I have to a very large audience if they are willing to listen. I have decent healthcare, meaning I'll probably live a decently long and happy life with only a few hiccups here and there. I don't have this looming threat of bombs dropping in my city or the deadly virus outbreak coming to my village and I think in of itself is a privilege many don't have.

As for what your mom said, I think what she may have meant by something like that is nobody will ever come to your defense. The "give" part is a bit bad when you kind of realize, you don't really need to ask for anymore if you're a white guy except asking "minorities" not to blame you in particular for the sh*t they go through. Also, the "give" part is totally bs, as far as I'm concerned, rights aren't given by those that have them to those that don't, it's for those that have been routinely denied them to be recognized that they have them.
 

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you tell me, what does this look like?

http://www.donotlink.com/hqE
Somebody trying to explain the concept of privilege to people who are themselves very privileged, thus not having witnessed many of the biases present in society.

if you dont like the term heterophobia, i can use the term "discrimination agaisnt straight people" both get the point accross
Oh yes, how could I forget the long history of the world where straight people have been systematically persecuted, often through genocide, by gay people.

Oh wait.

im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic
You shouldn't feel guilty about it. I don't feel guilty for being white - there's nothing to feel guilty about. I myself have done nothing to harm anybody in the past. However, to deny that I have benefitted from from an established society that has, for hundreds of years, systematically lifted white people above people with any other racial characteristic, would be laughable. I'm a descendent of white europeans, and I was born into an elevated position that I wouldn't have been if not for my recent ancestors being racist dickheads. Then, there's the fact that because I'm white, I benefit from biases that harm people who aren't white, through my everyday life.

Now if I knowlingly levied the fact that I'm white against somebody who isn't white, then I'd have a reason to feel guilty. But I haven't, because I'm not that level of asshole.


look buddy, i come from a country where slavery was abolished on day one, the moment we became a free republic, we became free in every sense of the word, to my knowledge people have never discriminated each other over here over the skin of their color, ive never known what racism is first hand, one of the few things that makes me proud of being venezuelan at the moment

so im going to tell you the super secret to living in a racism free utopia:

stop freakin' caring about race, is literally that simple, it doesnt matter if you are black, asian, white, etc, you are falling in the pitfall of racism, why? because you no longer see people, you see skin colors

it doesnt matter one bit if you are trying to denounce a race being more "privileged" than another, hell if everyone here complained about european whites opressing mulattos and blacks back in the day, we wouldnt have gotten anywhere, we stoped fucking caring, we gave everyone equal rights, whatever "priviledge" that existed between races disappeared on itself

are you going to cling on the past and keep blaming people for the atrocities of the past based on their race? go on, but you sir have no business talking about equality if you are not going to recognize every person should be treated equally and should be judged based on their actions, not their race/gender/sexual orientation

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im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's
Party A says "Its not real because I haven't seen it".

Party B responds "Of course you don't see it, its not aimed at you. The only instance when you'd see it is when you're a bystander."

Party A says "bullshit, because, reasons!"

Yeah, I'd say that being dismissive towards anybody who doesn't believe that privilege exists is a fair response, since talking to a brick wall is a waste of time.
for someone who argues non-whites should be treated better, you dont seem to care one bit for anything i have to say
 

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im tired of all this stupid shit arguing you should feel guilty for being white, for being male and for being straight is so damn idiotic

im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's

and judging by the hashtag #notyourshield, im not the only one
Who is saying anybody should feel guilty for their state of being? Or dismissing arguments from people for the aforementioned? I've seen between little and none of that kind of silliness here on The Escapist and I don't really visit other areas of the Internet, so it's entirely possible it's out there and I'm just ignorant, but I don't really understand where you're encountering such high quantities of such thinking that you can't just write it off as a vocal, and idiotic, minority.
oh dont worry the escapist is for the most part a very cool site

but things like that kotaku article i posted, or all those damn journalists on twitter accussing every voice agaisnt game journalism corruption of being pissy "white straight male nerds", as if being a white male straight man means your opinion is automatically invalid

those things russle my jimmies
 

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Muspelheim said:
Is... Is that a significant reason enough to personal hatred? What he said was effectively "PC gaming is unsubstainable because the home PC phenomenom is disappearing as phones and tablets take their place". A prediction that so far seems to be wrong, but not something to reserve hatred for.
actually no, when he insulted me for wanted more honest game journalism, repeatedly, then i started to hate him, this is just the icing of the cake

the more ive come to know about him, the less i want to see any of his videos
Well, that is at least a reason, although if he has personally insulted you, some idle speculation on PC gaming can't be very meaningful in the long run?

(And I must say, I think you and him might've misunderstood each other at some point. I doubt he truly means to insult everyone who wants honest game journalism. Only comic book villains would want a dishonest journalistic enviroment, and I imagine he's simply failed to express that in a good way. If he has blurted out something rather toxic, which isn't too unlikely, don't take that too personally. Hatred is rather valuable, if nothing else.)
trust me on its own that PC video wouldve been nothing, in fact i wouldve laughed it off, its been proven so wrong i wouldnt give it a second thought

but now that i know the stuff he has said in the previous days, i get this impression of someone eager to jump into every conclusion, no matter how poorly sustained it is

as for being insulted, you be the judge



i couldnt find the most damming tweets, i remember at the start of all of this he was saying stuff like "what would your waifus think if they saw you now"

on top of that his apologies for all of this sound incredibly dishonest

i wont start insulting the guy or anything, but like i said, right now i have 0 interest on his videos
 

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look buddy, i come from a country where slavery was abolished on day one, the moment we became a free republic, we became free in every sense of the word, to my knowledge people have never discriminated each other over here over the skin of their color, ive never known what racism is first hand, one of the few things that makes me proud of being venezuelan at the moment
Cool beans, but that doesn't help the United States, and privilege encompasses more than just race.

so im going to tell you the super secret to living in a racism free utopia:

stop freakin' caring about race, is literally that simple, it doesnt matter if you are black, asian, white, etc, you are falling in the pitfall of racism, why? because you no longer see people, you see skin colors
I don't care about race, in the sense that all people arre equal. However, there are disparities among people of different races in my country, carryovers from when blatant institutional racism was a thing, not to mention the barely-concealed institutional racism from aspects like the police force at large.

it doesnt matter one bit if you are trying to denounce a race being more "privileged" than another, hell if everyone here complained about european whites opressing mulattos and blacks back in the day, we wouldnt have gotten anywhere, we stoped fucking caring, we gave everyone equal rights, whatever "priviledge" that existed between races disappeared on itself
Except it doesn't disappear overnight. Somebody who is white in the United States is more likely to be middle or upper class than somebody who is black. People who are middle and upper class have better access to education, have more opportunities, have better parents, and are less likely to commit crime. That constantly carries over generation to generation. Its a cycle that sprawls forward through time until something stops it.

are you going to cling on the past and keep blaming people for the atrocities of the past based on their race? go on, but you sir have no business talking about equality if you are not going to recognize every person should be treated equally and should be judged based on their actions, not their race/gender/sexual orientation
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.

for someone who argues non-whites should be treated better, you dont seem to care one bit for anything i have to say
Well, if you're evidence of "heterophobia" wasn't an article that explains in very simplistic terms what "privilege" is, something that is accepted by nearly all civil rights activists, then I might've had a reason to take what you said seriously. But thats what you posted as evidence of "heterophobia" - an article that was, quite frankly, so tame, yet thorough, that I actually ended up bookmarking it, and your position that "heterophobia" exists is based on taht privilege, the concept that helped spur civil rights activism, doesn't exist, even though there's plenty of evidence from mathematicians and scientists to say that it does.
 

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look buddy, i come from a country where slavery was abolished on day one, the moment we became a free republic, we became free in every sense of the word, to my knowledge people have never discriminated each other over here over the skin of their color, ive never known what racism is first hand, one of the few things that makes me proud of being venezuelan at the moment

so im going to tell you the super secret to living in a racism free utopia:

stop freakin' caring about race, is literally that simple, it doesnt matter if you are black, asian, white, etc, you are falling in the pitfall of racism, why? because you no longer see people, you see skin colors

it doesnt matter one bit if you are trying to denounce a race being more "privileged" than another, hell if everyone here complained about european whites opressing mulattos and blacks back in the day, we wouldnt have gotten anywhere, we stoped fucking caring, we gave everyone equal rights, whatever "priviledge" that existed between races disappeared on itself

are you going to cling on the past and keep blaming people for the atrocities of the past based on their race? go on, but you sir have no business talking about equality if you are not going to recognize every person should be treated equally and should be judged based on their actions, not their race/gender/sexual orientation

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im not even white and im sick of the people who use that to dismiss the opinion of other people, because i know some white dudes that are pretty cool, their opinion is as important as everybody else's
Party A says "Its not real because I haven't seen it".

Party B responds "Of course you don't see it, its not aimed at you. The only instance when you'd see it is when you're a bystander."

Party A says "bullshit, because, reasons!"

Yeah, I'd say that being dismissive towards anybody who doesn't believe that privilege exists is a fair response, since talking to a brick wall is a waste of time.
for someone who argues non-whites should be treated better, you dont seem to care one bit for anything i have to say
Okay, I guess i have to go further. It looks like you are a proponent of color blindness, guess I can't necessarily be against that given your own personal situation, but guess what, color blindness also limits your field of view for actually detecting racially motivated hate crimes. I'm sorry, but MarsAtlas and I live in a country with a sizable amount of people looked at the era of slavery as the good olde days where everyone knew their place, so yeah, rightfully mad.

The fallacy "we gave you equal rights" is a myth, nobody was given anything. those who had systematically been denied rights finally got them and those who still have yet have had their rights protected/acknowledged will do the same.

Who is she blaming also? She's just saying "Look at your viewpoint. Okay can you do that? Put yourself in a worse situation? Can you do that, okay, now imagine how that feels to constantly be feeling that." The reason for focus of the past is because it effects the present. Jim Crow and slavery effects people today, women not being allowed in the armed forces and many jobs until recently has effects today, simply having the government acknowledging LGBT rights does not stop homophobia and transphobia from being present enough in culture as to have them as an "other" and targets for violence and rape.
 

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Okay, I guess i have to go further. It looks like you are a proponent of color blindness, guess I can't necessarily be against that given your own personal situation, but guess what, color blindness also limits your field of view for actually detecting racially motivated hate crimes. I'm sorry, but MarsAtlas and I live in a country with a sizable amount of people looked at the era of slavery as the good olde days where everyone knew their place, so yeah, rightfully mad.

The fallacy "we gave you equal rights" is a myth, nobody was given anything. those who had systematically been denied rights finally got them and those who still have yet have had their rights protected/acknowledged will do the same.

Who is she blaming also? She's just saying "Look at your viewpoint. Okay can you do that? Put yourself in a worse situation? Can you do that, okay, now imagine how that feels to constantly be feeling that." The reason for focus of the past is because it effects the present. Jim Crow and slavery effects people today, women not being allowed in the armed forces and many jobs until recently has effects today, simply having the government acknowledging LGBT rights does not stop homophobia and transphobia from being present enough in culture as to have them as an "other" and targets for violence and rape.
and you think the abolition of slavery wasnt also an economical hit for the ruling white class over here, of course there was people that saw those times as "the good olde days", but heres the thing, that generation eventually dies off along with their ideas

human beings exist to give each other happiness, we were born with emphaty, the the capacity to share or recognize emotions experienced by another person, but this capacity only exists as long as we can recognize the other party as a person, we cant emphatize with a wall

thats why in times of war the very first step the government takes to gain loyalty from the population is to de-humanize the enemy, make people forget they are living breathing human being like everyone else, it makes justifying massacres much easier, hell i bet a similar logic can be applied to the act of personifying the state itself, things like uncle sam, etc

when you see someone else as a race instead of people you are making the exact same mistake, in this case ive seen 2 things happen, white people are treated as oppressors, their opinions invalidaded, harassment towards them justified, they are not people, they are the CIS monster! they deserve no quarter!

on the other side of the coin, you have the minorities, who again you dont see as people, when someone claims you should stop harassing white people they tell you have internalized oppression or that you are being weaponized as a minority to the used in the crusade of MRAs or something like that. you are implying the person is incapable of reaching their own conclusions like any other mentally capable human being

color blindness, or whatever you want to call that now, is the only way to reach true equality, noone should be treated better or worse than another person because of their race, apply the same principle to women and non-straight people, and you have a tolerant society
 

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Cool beans, but that doesn't help the United States, and privilege encompasses more than just race.
then ignore eveyrthing else as well, treat people like people, dont treat em like walking skin colors, genders or sexual orientations

MarsAtlas said:
I don't care about race, in the sense that all people arre equal. However, there are disparities among people of different races in my country, carryovers from when blatant institutional racism was a thing, not to mention the barely-concealed institutional racism from aspects like the police force at large.
then you care about race, and thats the first freaking problem, the second is discriminating people of different races, telling them what they should feel, what truths they must acknowledge, do you think is fair to say the opinion of a person is invalid because of X, where X is something completely out of their control?

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Except it doesn't disappear overnight. Somebody who is white in the United States is more likely to be middle or upper class than somebody who is black. People who are middle and upper class have better access to education, have more opportunities, have better parents, and are less likely to commit crime. That constantly carries over generation to generation. Its a cycle that sprawls forward through time until something stops it.
of course it wont disappear overnight but pushing it wont help at all, look at gamergate

also correlation does not imply causation, are they "privileged" because they are white or are they just white and privileged, because theres a difference, like saying a lack of pirates in our modern world is causing global warning, statistics prove it

MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me, drawing lines on the sand only makes it worse

MarsAtlas said:
Well, if you're evidence of "heterophobia" wasn't an article that explains in very simplistic terms what "privilege" is, something that is accepted by nearly all civil rights activists, then I might've had a reason to take what you said seriously. But thats what you posted as evidence of "heterophobia" - an article that was, quite frankly, so tame, yet thorough, that I actually ended up bookmarking it, and your position that "heterophobia" exists is based on taht privilege, the concept that helped spur civil rights activism, doesn't exist, even though there's plenty of evidence from mathematicians and scientists to say that it does.
well you are also ignoring the fact i tell you i dont feel unprivileged because of my race

the whole idea that one race is more priviledge than another and it should be called out is stupid, it only alineates people
 

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and you think the abolition of slavery wasnt also an economical hit for the ruling white class over here, of course there was people that saw those times as "the good olde days", but heres the thing, that generation eventually dies off along with their ideas

human beings exist to give each other happiness, we were born with emphaty, the the capacity to share or recognize emotions experienced by another person, but this capacity only exists as long as we can recognize the other party as a person, we cant emphatize with a wall

thats why in times of war the very first step the government takes to gain loyalty from the population is to de-humanize the enemy, make people forget they are living breathing human being like everyone else, it makes justifying massacres much easier, hell i bet a similar logic can be applied to the act of personifying the state itself, things like uncle sam, etc

when you see someone else as a race instead of people you are making the exact same mistake, in this case ive seen 2 things happen, white people are treated as oppressors, their opinions invalidaded, harassment towards them justified, they are not people, they are the CIS monster! they deserve no quarter!

on the other side of the coin, you have the minorities, who again you dont see as people, when someone claims you should stop harassing white people they tell you have internalized oppression or that you are being weaponized as a minority to the used in the crusade of MRAs or something like that. you are implying the person is incapable of reaching their own conclusions like any other mentally capable human being

color blindness, or whatever you want to call that now, is the only way to reach true equality, noone should be treated better or worse than another person because of their race, apply the same principle to women and non-straight people, and you have a tolerant society
They are not dying of over here! they are actually getting more grounded in saying "Yeah, maybe everything was better when people were legally second class citizens" Jim Crow, legally, not culturally, made things "equal" and you had people in the 1960s use that argument to argue against integration. Same thing when women were paid 66 cents to a man's dollar in the industrial revolution. Are you going to say there is no reason for this or somehow that reason wasn't based on some form of prejudice or institutional hatred? That it's just some of hiccup? No! People with these bad ideas may be dying, but their bigotry lingers on for the decades to come.

To me, everyone is a person first, and whatever labels they are willing to accept will come afterwards and I'll treat them no differently, so stop trying to delegitimize the view of both me and MarsAtlas if YOU aren't going to be the one who listens. MarsAtlas and I do try to the absolute best of our ability to not judge people, but even we screw things up from time to time because we can't be that perfect and don't know everyone perfectly well beyond the fact they are a person with their own goals and problems. And white people aren't treated as oppressors today! Reread what was said and meant, they aren't the oppressors, they are the beneficiaries of a society that will value them more! But apparently, I don't see people as people, although I don't give a flying f*ck if I somehow made a friend out of a super intelligent cybernetic space hamster from Mars or some stereotypical white dude with no "problems". I am a proponent of minority rights because minorities are people deserving of respect and right recognition, not because they are minorities!

Also, take your color blindness bs to the actual bigots of the world and see how far that gets you because i only see it used against people who want to point out bigotry in order to shut them up by saying "Well, you see race/sex too. That automatically makes you part of the problem!". Apparently me saying "I am not the best person to access the problems facing gay communities because I'm not gay nor am I an expert on the subject" is equivalent to someone else calling gay people immoral, unethical, unnatural monsters with a mental disorder. I'm even against someone like my father saying a white person shouldn't teach black history because he can't "understand" it, although I would say neither he or I understand it much better because we don't know actually how it was to be a slave or live in ghettos ourselves, we just have ancestors and close relatives that know such experiences, but like everything else I said, I guess you don't care.

Also, don't use that enemy/war bs either for myself. I never even looked at Confederates as solely evil people when researching them, just misguided men trying to defend an institution and way of life I can never ethically support for anyone to be under.
 

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Cool beans, but that doesn't help the United States, and privilege encompasses more than just race.
then ignore eveyrthing else as well, treat people like people, dont treat em like walking skin colors, genders or sexual orientations
Yes, if only bigots would just stop being bigots, everything would be perfect! Its so simple! Just like if people don't want to be poor, they should just stop being poor!

then you care about race, and thats the first freaking problem,
I care about racism. Big difference, and if me caring about racism is a problem, then I'd hate to see the solution.

Oh wait, we've already seen that "solution" before. Its let the status quo sit and fester.

the second is discriminating people of different races, telling them what they should feel
Nobody is telling anybody to feel guilty based on their race, or any other sort of privilege they may hold. Nobody

what truths they must acknowledge
Its not about telling people about truths they should acknowledge because of their race, its about telling people truths they should acknowledge because they're human beings participating in society.

do you think is fair to say the opinion of a person is invalid because of X, where X is something completely out of their control?
If the opinion is "'x'ism will go away if we stop acknowledging that it exists", then yes, it will be ignored, because that simply doesn't happen. Bigots will acknowledge it, and spread their bigotry to anybody impressionable around them, while people who aren't bigots will end up doing nothing to fight against hate, leaving it unchecked so that it grows.

Did you know that there's actually psychological studies showing that if parents take that approach, and go the "I don't see colour" route, their children are more likely to have racist beliefs?

of course it wont disappear overnight but pushing it wont help at all
Except all those times it did. Like the abolishionist movement, the suffrage movement, the civil rights movement, the women's rights movement and the LGBT rights movement.

look at gamergate
I thought that was about "journalistic integrity". Honestly, bringing it up here in the way that you did just highlights why its a joke - there's no unified vision or idea stemming from it. Is it about SJWs or is it about journalistic integrity? Or is it about Anita Sarkeesian? Or Zoe Quinn? What is it about, exactly, and how does a conspiracy theory relate to the effectiveness of civil rights movements?

also correlation does not imply causation, are they "privileged" because they are white or are they just white and privileged, because theres a difference, like saying a lack of pirates in our modern world is causing global warning, statistics prove it
Except there's a lot of hard evidence showing that, in the United States, people benefit from being white as opposed to any other race.

and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me, drawing lines on the sand only makes it worse
Yeah, thats what all the white moderates told the rightfully angry black people who had to live under Segregation and Jim Crow Laws.

well you are also ignoring the fact i tell you i dont feel unprivileged because of my race
And I feel that the sun is made of orange M&Ms. There's people who feel that small things can't have a large effect.


the whole idea that one race is more priviledge than another and it should be called out is stupid, it only alineates people
Except that there's tons of evidence that race is a major factor in socioeconomic trends, and that racism still exists today and can be demonstrated to benefit white people at the expense of non-white people.
 

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Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
The first one is loaded with jokes and is clearly not serious. The image has nothing to do with anyone suggesting white men are rapists and the third is literally made by someone with the name "cispeoplearegross" where they talk about killing their child if they are cis. How is that even remotely meant to be taken seriously?

You've taken a joke thread akin to the comic posted here, an unrelated image and a snapshot of a discussion between people that may as well have actually named themselves WeAreTrolling. Where is this so called "cis men should be executed" argument?

EDIT: That Reddit? This is their description, as written by them:

Seen a horribly oppressed transethnic otherkin blog their plight? Wept at how terrible it is for the suffering of multiple systems to go unheard every day? Been unable to even live with the thought of the identities of someone's headmates being cisdenied?
Then you've come to the right place!
Please.
lol O please indeed. Look dismiss all you want but there are people who seriously do think this way about the world. I think there are great activists out there I really do they just dont make it to this page. But dismiss or disagree if you must I care little.
 

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Rocket Girl said:
rbstewart7263 said:
Rocket Girl said:
Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
The first one is loaded with jokes and is clearly not serious. The image has nothing to do with anyone suggesting white men are rapists and the third is literally made by someone with the name "cispeoplearegross" where they talk about killing their child if they are cis. How is that even remotely meant to be taken seriously?

You've taken a joke thread akin to the comic posted here, an unrelated image and a snapshot of a discussion between people that may as well have actually named themselves WeAreTrolling. Where is this so called "cis men should be executed" argument?

EDIT: That Reddit? This is their description, as written by them:

Seen a horribly oppressed transethnic otherkin blog their plight? Wept at how terrible it is for the suffering of multiple systems to go unheard every day? Been unable to even live with the thought of the identities of someone's headmates being cisdenied?
Then you've come to the right place!
Please.
lol O please indeed. Look dismiss all you want but there are people who seriously do think this way about the world. I think there are great activists out there I really do they just dont make it to this page. But dismiss or disagree if you must I care little.
I'm still waiting for you to show me these people that believe all white men should be castrated. You showed me a group of people making fun of the group you claim exists, but not any actual evidence that they do exist.
 

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you know what, fine, have it your way, apparently you know more about being a non-white than me, a non-white, and you also know more about equality than me, a person who has lived in a country that has never experienced racism
 

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and you think the abolition of slavery wasnt also an economical hit for the ruling white class over here, of course there was people that saw those times as "the good olde days", but heres the thing, that generation eventually dies off along with their ideas

human beings exist to give each other happiness, we were born with emphaty, the the capacity to share or recognize emotions experienced by another person, but this capacity only exists as long as we can recognize the other party as a person, we cant emphatize with a wall

thats why in times of war the very first step the government takes to gain loyalty from the population is to de-humanize the enemy, make people forget they are living breathing human being like everyone else, it makes justifying massacres much easier, hell i bet a similar logic can be applied to the act of personifying the state itself, things like uncle sam, etc

when you see someone else as a race instead of people you are making the exact same mistake, in this case ive seen 2 things happen, white people are treated as oppressors, their opinions invalidaded, harassment towards them justified, they are not people, they are the CIS monster! they deserve no quarter!

on the other side of the coin, you have the minorities, who again you dont see as people, when someone claims you should stop harassing white people they tell you have internalized oppression or that you are being weaponized as a minority to the used in the crusade of MRAs or something like that. you are implying the person is incapable of reaching their own conclusions like any other mentally capable human being

color blindness, or whatever you want to call that now, is the only way to reach true equality, noone should be treated better or worse than another person because of their race, apply the same principle to women and non-straight people, and you have a tolerant society
They are not dying of over here! they are actually getting more grounded in saying "Yeah, maybe everything was better when people were legally second class citizens" Jim Crow, legally, not culturally, made things "equal" and you had people in the 1960s use that argument to argue against integration. Same thing when women were paid 66 cents to a man's dollar in the industrial revolution. Are you going to say there is no reason for this or somehow that reason wasn't based on some form of prejudice or institutional hatred? That it's just some of hiccup? No! People with these bad ideas may be dying, but their bigotry lingers on for the decades to come.

To me, everyone is a person first, and whatever labels they are willing to accept will come afterwards and I'll treat them no differently, so stop trying to delegitimize the view of both me and MarsAtlas if YOU aren't going to be the one who listens. MarsAtlas and I do try to the absolute best of our ability to not judge people, but even we screw things up from time to time because we can't be that perfect and don't know everyone perfectly well beyond the fact they are a person with their own goals and problems. And white people aren't treated as oppressors today! Reread what was said and meant, they aren't the oppressors, they are the beneficiaries of a society that will value them more! But apparently, I don't see people as people, although I don't give a flying f*ck if I somehow made a friend out of a super intelligent cybernetic space hamster from Mars or some stereotypical white dude with no "problems". I am a proponent of minority rights because minorities are people deserving of respect and right recognition, not because they are minorities!

Also, take your color blindness bs to the actual bigots of the world and see how far that gets you because i only see it used against people who want to point out bigotry in order to shut them up by saying "Well, you see race/sex too. That automatically makes you part of the problem!". Apparently me saying "I am not the best person to access the problems facing gay communities because I'm not gay nor am I an expert on the subject" is equivalent to someone else calling gay people immoral, unethical, unnatural monsters with a mental disorder. I'm even against someone like my father saying a white person shouldn't teach black history because he can't "understand" it, although I would say neither he or I understand it much better because we don't know actually how it was to be a slave or live in ghettos ourselves, we just have ancestors and close relatives that know such experiences, but like everything else I said, I guess you don't care.

Also, don't use that enemy/war bs either for myself. I never even looked at Confederates as solely evil people when researching them, just misguided men trying to defend an institution and way of life I can never ethically support for anyone to be under.
look around you

the world we live in today is more peaceful than it has ever been, more tolerant than it has ever been and more inclusive than it has ever been

its human nature to bring happiness to each other, the generations that once hated and discriminated will die out, i guess the fact people of color no longer get lynched in your country should be proof of that, you have a black president now for christ's sake

dont treat one race as "beneficiaries", simply stop drawing lines on the sand, because, like i said, that contributes to the act of de-humanizing people, do not, ever, think about the race/gender/sexual orientation of a person before thinking about them as PEOPLE

i am all for minorities having equal rights to everyone else, can you tell me what rights people of color dont have in your country?

why do you care about the bigots of the world? why do you care about the inconsequential ramblings of an old klansman somewhere that doesnt affect you nor minorities in any tangible way?

also heres the problem about talking for minorities without being a minority yourself





you drow out the voices of non-whites, which can be anything from condescending to plain insulting, just look at matt lees, when he sees a non-white criticizing game journalism, he doesnt listen them, he looks over their head trying to find the strings. in his mind non-white aparently dont have the mental capacity to take their own decision and reach their own conclusions when they dont satisfy his personal views

dont become someone like this, stop caring about race

PS: personally i dont see anything wrong with non-black people teaching black history, history is written, unless you start making up your own facts, i dont see the issue
 

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oh dont worry the escapist is for the most part a very cool site

but things like that kotaku article i posted, or all those damn journalists on twitter accussing every voice agaisnt game journalism corruption of being pissy "white straight male nerds", as if being a white male straight man means your opinion is automatically invalid

those things russle my jimmies
And I can understand, but russled jimmies do not weeks of controversy make. More to the point we should all try to remember that Kotaku is just barely reputable in any way, and Twitter is where logical discussion goes to die. There's idiocy on both sides, but the vast majority of people are usually pretty reasonable. So if someone is dismissing arguments based on their "opponent's" state of being, especially when it's something so incredibly specific as white+straight+male, it's usually safe to assume that they are dismissible.
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
oh dont worry the escapist is for the most part a very cool site

but things like that kotaku article i posted, or all those damn journalists on twitter accussing every voice agaisnt game journalism corruption of being pissy "white straight male nerds", as if being a white male straight man means your opinion is automatically invalid

those things russle my jimmies
And I can understand, but russled jimmies do not weeks of controversy make. More to the point we should all try to remember that Kotaku is just barely reputable in any way, and Twitter is where logical discussion goes to die. There's idiocy on both sides, but the vast majority of people are usually pretty reasonable. So if someone is dismissing arguments based on their "opponent's" state of being, especially when it's something so incredibly specific as white+straight+male, it's usually safe to assume that they are dismissible.
its fair, thought im still gonna call out hypocrites for them being hypocrites
 

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look around you

the world we live in today is more peaceful than it has ever been, more tolerant than it has ever been and more inclusive than it has ever been

its human nature to bring happiness to each other, the generations that once hated and discriminated will die out, i guess the fact people of color no longer get lynched in your country should be proof of that, you have a black president now for christ's sake

dont treat one race as "beneficiaries", simply stop drawing lines on the sand, because, like i said, that contributes to the act of de-humanizing people, do not, ever, think about the race/gender/sexual orientation of a person before thinking about them as PEOPLE

i am all for minorities having equal rights to everyone else, can you tell me what rights people of color dont have in your country?

why do you care about the bigots of the world? why do you care about the inconsequential ramblings of an old klansman somewhere that doesnt affect you nor minorities in any tangible way?

also heres the problem about talking for minorities without being a minority yourself





you drow out the voices of non-whites, which can be anything from condescending to plain insulting, just look at matt lees, when he sees a non-white criticizing game journalism, he doesnt listen them, he looks over their head trying to find the strings. in his mind non-white aparently dont have the mental capacity to take their own decision and reach their own conclusions when they dont satisfy his personal views

dont become someone like this, stop caring about race

PS: personally i dont see anything wrong with non-black people teaching black history, history is written, unless you start making up your own facts, i dont see the issue
"The world is more tolerant than ever before". Perhaps a bit true, but it's not that bad ideas die or people with bad ideas die, they are simply unconditioned. I never thought and never will think human nature is supposed to bring about happiness for everyone, if that were true, tribalism would never ad been an issue in the first place. Also, black president means next to nothing, my families opinion on the subject is that it is almost a net negative because we almost got more people getting more racist because of it. If I'm not mistaken, white supremacists groups actually rose within the last 7 years because such a thing! Yeah, that's kind of problem I'd like addressed! And it isn't like institutionally accepted racism of often giving black males harsher crimes compared to their white counterparts did not happen in the last few years, nope, not at all. The world is simply not inclusive enough,blacks technically had the same legal rights as white people 60+ years ago under Jim Crow laws and people used that dumb argument to say that integration and desegregation were not necessary, so excuse me if i find what you have to say a bit in line with that.

I don't even focus on the problems of people of color despite being one technically, not sure why you still think I'm white. I'm not offended by things like black face, white people "acting black", or ebonics, or most things, but do you know what else, I understand the offense even white people get when they have to see those things. So yeah, I'm kind of okay with white people getting offended for me if I understand where the offense is coming from despite me disagreeing with it often. My focus right now is mostly more so on secular activism and awareness, and LGBT rights and awareness. I've got my reasons for both.

Also, how am I drowning out the voices of the minorities I'm taking my cues and information from them? I've yet to make a speech on behalf of the gay people at my school and I never plan on being in any form of leadership for LGBT groups because I don't feel i deserve it, because I don't understand their problems, because i don't have to deal with the things they do. Also, how are you not "drowning out" all those poor white guys that are treated so badly online? Seems a bit hypocritical for you to say "Let minorities speak for themselves, but leave white guys alone!"

Oh, nice images, I'll show you two things of my own. I'll let them speak for themselves. Tell me if you recognize the points of them

and this:

 

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look around you

the world we live in today is more peaceful than it has ever been, more tolerant than it has ever been and more inclusive than it has ever been

its human nature to bring happiness to each other, the generations that once hated and discriminated will die out, i guess the fact people of color no longer get lynched in your country should be proof of that, you have a black president now for christ's sake

dont treat one race as "beneficiaries", simply stop drawing lines on the sand, because, like i said, that contributes to the act of de-humanizing people, do not, ever, think about the race/gender/sexual orientation of a person before thinking about them as PEOPLE

i am all for minorities having equal rights to everyone else, can you tell me what rights people of color dont have in your country?

why do you care about the bigots of the world? why do you care about the inconsequential ramblings of an old klansman somewhere that doesnt affect you nor minorities in any tangible way?

also heres the problem about talking for minorities without being a minority yourself





you drow out the voices of non-whites, which can be anything from condescending to plain insulting, just look at matt lees, when he sees a non-white criticizing game journalism, he doesnt listen them, he looks over their head trying to find the strings. in his mind non-white aparently dont have the mental capacity to take their own decision and reach their own conclusions when they dont satisfy his personal views

dont become someone like this, stop caring about race

PS: personally i dont see anything wrong with non-black people teaching black history, history is written, unless you start making up your own facts, i dont see the issue
"The world is more tolerant than ever before". Perhaps a bit true, but it's not that bad ideas die or people with bad ideas die, they are simply unconditioned. I never thought and never will think human nature is supposed to bring about happiness for everyone, if that were true, tribalism would never ad been an issue in the first place. Also, black president means next to nothing, my families opinion on the subject is that it is almost a net negative because we almost got more people getting more racist because of it. If I'm not mistaken, white supremacists groups actually rose within the last 7 years because such a thing! Yeah, that's kind of problem I'd like addressed! And it isn't like institutionally accepted racism of often giving black males harsher crimes compared to their white counterparts did not happen in the last few years, nope, not at all. The world is simply not inclusive enough,blacks technically had the same legal rights as white people 60+ years ago under Jim Crow laws and people used that dumb argument to say that integration and desegregation were not necessary, so excuse me if i find what you have to say a bit in line with that.

I don't even focus on the problems of people of color despite being one technically, not sure why you still think I'm white. I'm not offended by things like black face, white people "acting black", or ebonics, or most things, but do you know what else, I understand the offense even white people get when they have to see those things. So yeah, I'm kind of okay with white people getting offended for me if I understand where the offense is coming from despite me disagreeing with it often. My focus right now is mostly more so on secular activism and awareness, and LGBT rights and awareness. I've got my reasons for both.

Also, how am I drowning out the voices of the minorities I'm taking my cues and information from them? I've yet to make a speech on behalf of the gay people at my school and I never plan on being in any form of leadership for LGBT groups because I don't feel i deserve it, because I don't understand their problems, because i don't have to deal with the things they do. Also, how are you not "drowning out" all those poor white guys that are treated so badly online? Seems a bit hypocritical for you to say "Let minorities speak for themselves, but leave white guys alone!"

Oh, nice images, I'll show you two things of my own. I'll let them speak for themselves. Tell me if you recognize the points of them

and this:

ugh fine, go on speaking for non-whites despite the fact non-whites like me have a voice, aparently me telling you i dont feel oppressed is not the same as the people telling you they are

let us both part ways with our respective views, but let me tell you, this kind of behaviour is in my opinion, one of the reasons behind gamergate
 

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Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
The first one is loaded with jokes and is clearly not serious. The image has nothing to do with anyone suggesting white men are rapists and the third is literally made by someone with the name "cispeoplearegross" where they talk about killing their child if they are cis. How is that even remotely meant to be taken seriously?

You've taken a joke thread akin to the comic posted here, an unrelated image and a snapshot of a discussion between people that may as well have actually named themselves WeAreTrolling. Where is this so called "cis men should be executed" argument?

EDIT: That Reddit? This is their description, as written by them:

Seen a horribly oppressed transethnic otherkin blog their plight? Wept at how terrible it is for the suffering of multiple systems to go unheard every day? Been unable to even live with the thought of the identities of someone's headmates being cisdenied?
Then you've come to the right place!
Please.
lol O please indeed. Look dismiss all you want but there are people who seriously do think this way about the world. I think there are great activists out there I really do they just dont make it to this page. But dismiss or disagree if you must I care little.
I'm still waiting for you to show me these people that believe all white men should be castrated. You showed me a group of people making fun of the group you claim exists, but not any actual evidence that they do exist.
You want a specific example?

well here we dont have castration but he wants cis people to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1gortW-Zs



here is a gay possibly trans talking about trans hatred of straight people on tumblr and how he dissagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VzKYnT-l58

Now if that doesnt do it for you you will have to find the rest yourself. try missandry mermaid or something idk.
 

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1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
 

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Rocket Girl said:
rbstewart7263 said:
Rocket Girl said:
rbstewart7263 said:
Rocket Girl said:
Denamic said:
The joke is that there are people who says things more ludicrous than that on tumblr. Like saying that "cishet" men should be castrated or even executed. I wish I was exaggerating.
Can you provide some kind of citation?
You can just go to the reddit/tumblrinaction that will show you some asshattery from those who think themselves progressive.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrinAction

heres some examples that I could find though I didnt bother with anything specific.



ooh heres a good one!

http://imgur.com/p6zgaRx

I should point out: No TIA doesnt think all activists are like this they just get a kick from the ones that are.lol
The first one is loaded with jokes and is clearly not serious. The image has nothing to do with anyone suggesting white men are rapists and the third is literally made by someone with the name "cispeoplearegross" where they talk about killing their child if they are cis. How is that even remotely meant to be taken seriously?

You've taken a joke thread akin to the comic posted here, an unrelated image and a snapshot of a discussion between people that may as well have actually named themselves WeAreTrolling. Where is this so called "cis men should be executed" argument?

EDIT: That Reddit? This is their description, as written by them:

Seen a horribly oppressed transethnic otherkin blog their plight? Wept at how terrible it is for the suffering of multiple systems to go unheard every day? Been unable to even live with the thought of the identities of someone's headmates being cisdenied?
Then you've come to the right place!
Please.
lol O please indeed. Look dismiss all you want but there are people who seriously do think this way about the world. I think there are great activists out there I really do they just dont make it to this page. But dismiss or disagree if you must I care little.
I'm still waiting for you to show me these people that believe all white men should be castrated. You showed me a group of people making fun of the group you claim exists, but not any actual evidence that they do exist.
You want a specific example?

well here we dont have castration but he wants cis people to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1gortW-Zs



here is a gay possibly trans talking about trans hatred of straight people on tumblr and how he dissagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VzKYnT-l58

Now if that doesnt do it for you you will have to find the rest yourself. try missandry mermaid or something idk.
Did you actually watch those videos?

From the first:

"No one is advocating violence against the cissies. [While holding a copy of a Transformers DVD] How many times have you heard someone say 'wow, this movie is terrible. Whoever made it deserves to be shot.'"
They spend the entire video describing the phrase as a rallying cry for an oppressed minority; they say it's a vocal slap against those that have made life so difficult for a small group of people. It's very clear -- as they say it directly -- that they don't advocate violence and that the term is not literal.

As for the second - you offer me a video of someone else talking about this supposed belief that straight, white men should die or be castrated or are all rapists, supposedly existing in another group. This is akin to me arguing that Italian people want New Zealanders to have their kneecaps removed, and to show proof of this, offering a video of someone else also saying Italian people want New Zealanders to have their kneecaps removed.
 

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I find it funny how fast people seems to forget an episode by South Park made 6 years ago with the social commentary of problematic society bent on political correctness. I'm sure a lot of people watched <a href=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0940288/?ref_=ttep_ep1>With Apologies to Jesse Jackson.
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
 

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thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
 

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You want a specific example?

well here we dont have castration but he wants cis people to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi1gortW-Zs
One minute on KnowYourMeme will tell you everything you need to know about Dis Cis Scum.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum

You could also spend the same amount time that it takes to read the article to actually watch the video instead of misrepresenting it.

here is a gay possibly trans talking about trans hatred of straight people on tumblr and how he dissagrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VzKYnT-l58
If that constitutes proof, then me making a video where I talk about President Obama urging the senate to declare war on Russia (something that didn't happen), it would then make it true because I said it.
 

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my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race
That. Doesn't. Work. Doing so is to essentially pretend that racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc don't exist or have any influence. Prejudice doesn't go away when going unchallenged, it spreads. Here's just one of many studies that show that the "I don't see 'x'" approach doesn't work.

http://www.timwise.org/2010/09/new-study-colorblindness-reduces-kids-ability-to-see-challenge-racism/

Pretending that the building isn't on fire doesn't put out the fire.

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society,
It will only "eventually" die off if we don't pretend that it doesn't exist.

dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Who is putting up barriers? Who is saying that anybody is any more or less human because of their sexual orientation?
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
 

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thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
 

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the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race
That. Doesn't. Work. Doing so is to essentially pretend that racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc don't exist or have any influence. Prejudice doesn't go away when going unchallenged, it spreads. Here's just one of many studies that show that the "I don't see 'x'" approach doesn't work.

http://www.timwise.org/2010/09/new-study-colorblindness-reduces-kids-ability-to-see-challenge-racism/

Pretending that the building isn't on fire doesn't put out the fire.

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society,
It will only "eventually" die off if we don't pretend that it doesn't exist.

dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Who is putting up barriers? Who is saying that anybody is any more or less human because of their sexual orientation?
again, i present you the living example that is my country

when you say the opinion of someone isnt valid because they are straight white male, you are putting barriers

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/826/169/f25.png
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
 

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Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race
 

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thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race
Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?
 

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thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal
That is not what I'm implying and you know it.
well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal
That is not what I'm implying and you know it.
well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite
Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't
 

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Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race
Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?
id really like to know what this people think as well, most people insulting white people seem to be white as well, atleast as far as gamergate goes

and when you are a minority and dont site with these people, well they discriminate you too

and id be inclined to say that no party has the upper hand, which makes these movement even dumber

my argument is, discriminating someone for being white/male/straight, is no better than discriminating someone for being black/female/homosexual

hate is hate
 

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thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
thundra said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Revnak said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
MarsAtlas said:
1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

and

2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal
That is not what I'm implying and you know it.
well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite
Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't
so race=biggotry?

for the 3rd time, ignore R-A-C-E, dont ignore hate, is it that hard to understand?

hell thats one of the reasons why you can make a racism joke over here and noone really cares, because they ignore any weight the race of someone can have and are aware you dont hate
 

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NuclearKangaroo said:
Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
Rocket Girl said:
NuclearKangaroo said:
the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race
Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?
id really like to know what this people think as well, most people insulting white people seem to be white as well, atleast as far as gamergate goes

and when you are a minority and dont site with these people, well they discriminate you too

and id be inclined to say that no party has the upper hand, which makes these movement even dumber

my argument is, discriminating someone for being white/male/straight, is no better than discriminating someone for being black/female/homosexual

hate is hate
Your argument makes no sense. You say that various groups are suffering, but that no one is on top. How can equal groups discriminate effectively if they are, by definition, matched? Your argument amounts to saying 1:2 is less than 2:4.
 

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1) Bigotry still exists and effects people day-in and day-out

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2) Institutionalized bigotry of the past (and the present) have effects long past their expiration because it affects the development of generations to come

Neither of those are, or rather, should be, inflammatory things to say. In fact, most findings of developmental psychology support the second statement quite strongly.
and you are responding to that acting in the exact same way? it dies off on its own, trust me,
WHEN?

I don't think that this has ever happened. Not that I'm aware at least. So why should I just trust you?

I mean, maybe for a single person, in their individual life, it may appear as such, but macro level sociological issues don't just go away. They do not "die off on [their] own." There is always a huge fuss raised, or some huge economic change to motivate it all. Change doesn't just happen. You make it happen. Maybe there are limits as to what is and isn't the right way to make it all happen, but it won't just happen on it's own.
because it happened in my country, i havent experience first hand in my entire life in here, i dont know what it is to discriminate someone based on the color of their skin, over here abso-fuckin'-lutely nobody cares, thats all it takes, giving everyone equal rights and stop caring

dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions, but stop talking in terms like "priviledge" and "CISscum", etc, you are drawing lines on the sand and simply make things worse

i cant promise you its going to happen soon, hell you might not even live to see it, buts its the only real equality that exists in my opinion, seeing people, as people, not as races
Thats is the most ridiculous thing i have read. Sorry but america is far from biggotry free. There are protests against homosexuality by religious fanatics, there are hate crimes against people from middle east, trans people are ridicule by media, the muslims are send concentration camp in cuba from their homes countries without evidence or charges united states of america is far from Utopia
"dont get me wrong, if someone gets assaulted for the color of their skin, sure condemn those actions"

my point is, dont antagonize other races, dont talk about "priviledges" and stuff like that that only alineate people, treat everyone as if they were from the same race, i never said you should condemn crimes based on race

intolerance is something that will eventually disappear almost completely from society, its human nature, the more we understand each other, the less we hate each other, dont put barriers that limit understanding and dont judge people for stuff they have no control over, like their race, gender or sexual orientation. a homosexual female asian deserves the same level of respect than a straight white male and vice versa
Not in our lifetime it won't if we don't fight against biggotry do you really think that race segregation against blacks would have stopped if people would have not fought? Or do you think that women could own the lot without feminist movement? These things won't go away by waiting them magically go away it just doesn't work like that. Biggots teach their kids their biggoted ways and those kids teach their kids what they tought from their parents its endless cycle that only stops by fighting it. Praying, and wishing up the stars doesn't work
you are not going to stop intolerance with intolerance, or discrimination with discrimination, forget it

if your idea of making race a non-issue is giving it more undeserving important you are shooting yourself in the foot

also id like to add that praying and wishing upon stars does work, my country is the clear example of that, we had slavery like any colony but nowadays i dont think ive seen a single crime commited based only on the race of the victim, nobody gives a shit about race over here

the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
You are so UGH!!!
i give up if you really think ignoring the problem makes it go away go ahead bury your head in sand, i'm not gonna waste my time with you anymore.
are you implying the race of a person is a problem? because thats the only think im asking you to ignore

i have said many times, condemn hate and intolerance, but stop making the race of someone such a big deal
That is not what I'm implying and you know it.
well that IS the only thing im asking you to ignore, i never said you should ignore hate crimes, i actually said the opposite
Yes you are you are saying if we ignore biggotry it goes away by magic. Here is little hint it doesn't
so race=biggotry?

for the 3rd time, ignore R-A-C-E, dont ignore hate, is it that hard to understand?
Thats not what i said at all and you fucking know it
 

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the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
Please provide examples to demonstrate this point - preferably in the form of quotes and references.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/680/f88.png

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/674/bb0.png

and this

http://gamergateharrassment.tumblr.com/

really this whole gamergate debacle is full of the stuff, either white males being insulted

or minorities being insulted for saying not everyone agaisnt corrupt game journalism is a white straight male

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/825/907/0ec.png

and you think this happened overnight? no, its the narrative that was build around white straight males, you cannot combat discrimination with discrimination, you have to break the cycle and just stop caring about someones race
Wait, you are arguing white men are discriminated against, but one of your examples contains two white men arguing and regarding the latter of the three images, you discuss minorities being discriminated against? How do you hold it true that both the white majority and non-white minorities are discriminated against? Who has the upper hand if both parties are set back?

What exactly is your argument?
id really like to know what this people think as well, most people insulting white people seem to be white as well, atleast as far as gamergate goes

and when you are a minority and dont site with these people, well they discriminate you too

and id be inclined to say that no party has the upper hand, which makes these movement even dumber

my argument is, discriminating someone for being white/male/straight, is no better than discriminating someone for being black/female/homosexual

hate is hate
Your argument makes no sense. You say that various groups are suffering, but that no one is on top. How can equal groups discriminate effectively if they are, by definition, matched? Your argument amounts to saying 1:2 is less than 2:4.
hate is not a zero sum equation

thats why i never argued this movement aims to opress white people, i honestly believe thats not the case, what i do feel is that it is misguided, and it only serves to give race more undeserving importance
 

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again, i present you the living example that is my country
You mean Venezuela, a country that was formed on the genocide and exodus of white inhabitants?

Funnily enough, Venezuela recently banned racial discrimination on a national level. Now why would they need to do that if there is no racism? Wouldn't, by your logic, banning discrimination on the basis of race only create racism?

when you say the opinion of someone isnt valid because they are straight white male, you are putting barriers
I'm not saying their opinion isn't valid because they're straight, white and male, I'm saying that their opinion is invalid because it has no logical basis. "I don't see it so its not happening" is fallacious as is, nevermind when there's mountains of evidence to support the contrary. Just ignoring didn't work at any time in the past in any North American or European nation, and if that managed to work for your shining city on a hilltop Venezuela (hint: it didn't) then awesome, but it doesn't work elsewhere.
 

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Thats not what i said at all and you fucking know it
no, i honestly dont know it, because i keep talking about race and you keep talking about biggotry as if both terms were inseparable
 

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thats why i never argued this movement aims to opress white people
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the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
I don't believe you are making any kind of genuine argument. There's no point in this.
 

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again, i present you the living example that is my country
You mean Venezuela, a country that was formed on the genocide and exodus of white inhabitants?

Funnily enough, Venezuela recently banned racial discrimination on a national level. Now why would they need to do that if there is no racism? Wouldn't, by your logic, banning discrimination on the basis of race only create racism?
my country has also banned "bellic" video games from being sold or manufactured over here, they accused recent student protests of being neo-nazi and banned certain webpages

this government will do anything to appear to be the good guy, dont try to judge the people of venezuela based on the piece of shit government we are stuck with

also, what the fuck are you talking about the genocide and exodus of white inhabitants? the leader of our war of independence, the person which we (rather unfortunately) basically workship like a god and call him "the liebrator" was white

now first you pretended to know more about non-whites than a non-white, and now you pretend to know more about venezuela than a venezuelan, i must say im starting to feel kind of insulted

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when you say the opinion of someone isnt valid because they are straight white male, you are putting barriers
I'm not saying their opinion isn't valid because they're straight, white and male, I'm saying that their opinion is invalid because it has no logical basis. "I don't see it so its not happening" is fallacious as is, nevermind when there's mountains of evidence to support the contrary. Just ignoring didn't work at any time in the past in any North American or European nation, and if that managed to work for your shining city on a hilltop Venezuela (hint: it didn't) then awesome, but it doesn't work elsewhere.
im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant
 

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thats why i never argued this movement aims to opress white people
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the difference between the movement for equality of the past and the movements for equality of today is that before, it was a matter of earning back rights for the minorities, nowadays it seems to be about making white straight male feel bad about themselves either directly or indirectly
I don't believe you are making any kind of genuine argument. There's no point in this.
opression implies someone is the opressor, and i dont think this is some way for minorities to get some power or anything silly like that

its just some people trying to find a culprit for their injustices and the injustices of others, is a very simplistic way to see things in my opinion, to blame it all to a group of people, to say one is inherently guilty of something completely outside of one's control

and its easier to rally people for a cause when you create an enemy
 

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im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant
Okay, I'm tired, so I'llmakethis short.

Nobody is discriminating against white people by saying that they're benefitted from societal biases based on their race. Same goes for straight people. Same goes for men. Same goes for people without disabilities. Same goes for people who are natives.

Perhaps you're just misusing the word "discrimination" incorrectly. Wikipedia hasyou covered.

"Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination