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[thundra]

im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant

Okay, I'm tired, so I'llmakethis short.

Nobody is discriminating against white people by saying that they're benefitted from societal biases based on their race. Same goes for straight people. Same goes for men. Same goes for people without disabilities. Same goes for people who are natives.

Perhaps you're just misusing the word "discrimination" incorrectly. Wikipedia hasyou covered.

"Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discrimination

"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"

building a narrative about how the white people have it so much better is discrimination in my opinion, it creates this feeling that, when something bad happens to a white person, people often think/say "bah, he can suck it up, there are races that have it worse" or worse "he deserved it"

yes ive seen people, some of which call themselves feminists, dismiss male rape, i mean, holy crap thats horrible

So gay people who aren't allowed to marry and trans gender people who are forced to be sterilized aren't systematically oppressed but white straight men that rule the country 100% are?

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant

Okay, I'm tired, so I'llmakethis short.

Nobody is discriminating against white people by saying that they're benefitted from societal biases based on their race. Same goes for straight people. Same goes for men. Same goes for people without disabilities. Same goes for people who are natives.

Perhaps you're just misusing the word "discrimination" incorrectly. Wikipedia hasyou covered.

"Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discrimination

"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"

building a narrative about how the white people have it so much better is discrimination in my opinion, it creates this feeling that, when something bad happens to a white person, people often think/say "bah, he can suck it up, there are races that have it worse" or worse "he deserved it"

yes ive seen people, some of which call themselves feminists, dismiss male rape, i mean, holy crap thats horrible

So gay people who aren't allowed to marry and trans gender people who are forced to be sterilized aren't systematically oppressed but white straight men that rule the country 100% are?

werent you done with me?

anyways for the 10000th time, condemn hate actions, but stop giving importance to things that arent importance, the moment we stop caring about race, gender and sexual orientation is the moemnt we will all be truthly equal

 

[thundra]

im not asking you to ignore discrimination, im asking you to not discriminate yourself, for the last time, ignore race, race is completely unimportant

Okay, I'm tired, so I'llmakethis short.

Nobody is discriminating against white people by saying that they're benefitted from societal biases based on their race. Same goes for straight people. Same goes for men. Same goes for people without disabilities. Same goes for people who are natives.

Perhaps you're just misusing the word "discrimination" incorrectly. Wikipedia hasyou covered.

"Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discrimination

"treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit"

building a narrative about how the white people have it so much better is discrimination in my opinion, it creates this feeling that, when something bad happens to a white person, people often think/say "bah, he can suck it up, there are races that have it worse" or worse "he deserved it"

yes ive seen people, some of which call themselves feminists, dismiss male rape, i mean, holy crap thats horrible

So gay people who aren't allowed to marry and trans gender people who are forced to be sterilized aren't systematically oppressed but white straight men that rule the country 100% are?

werent you done with me?

anyways for the 10000th time, condemn hate actions, but stop giving importance to things that arent importance, the moment we stop caring about race, gender and sexual orientation is the moemnt we will all be truthly equal

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

look from where im standing, reciprocating discrimination only makes things more complicated

if you see a hate crime, by all means condemn it, but blame it on the person how commited the crime, not the race, stop, thinking, about, the race

no one is reciprocating discrimination


[quote/]
im not white, im just tired of seeing white people being insulted, tired of people speaking for me and telling me why i should feel oppressed by people that have done no harm to me

it depends how you define "insulted"

[quote/]people should simply ignore the race of a person, because it seriously has near 0 importance, just concentrate on the person[/quote]
but it does matter, alongside so many other factors what race you are will color your outlook

does my opinion on how Black woman feel in todays society have as much weight as an "actual" black woman? no...it will not because I have not experienced what it is to be a black woman[/quote]

well when people get told their opinion doesnt matter because they are white straight males i think thats insulting, atleast i would find it insulting if someone told me my opinion doesnt matter because im a straight latino male

ok, you got a one in a lifetime chance to ask a latino who he feels about this discrimination munbo jumbo, i dont care, stop hitting yourself agaisnt the wall and stop trying to convince other white people hitting yourself agaisnt the wall is such a nice idea

you have no control over what your ancestors did, you only have control over yourself and your actions, and if you arent intolerant you have nothing to be ashamed of

the reason you cant know how a black woman feels in todays society is not because you arent black and a woman, its because you are not THAT black woman, you could be black and a woman and still dont know how she feels, the best you can hope is let your empathy tell you how she MIGHT feel

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

 

[Vault101]

well when people get told their opinion doesnt matter because they are white straight males i think thats insulting, atleast i would find it insulting if someone told me my opinion doesnt matter because im a straight latino male

weather or not I personally think their opinion "matters" depends on what they are saying, a rich guy telling poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps has probably got a skewed perspective

[quote/]ok, you got a one in a lifetime chance to ask a latino who he feels about this discrimination munbo jumbo, i dont care, stop hitting yourself agaisnt the wall and stop trying to convince other white people hitting yourself agaisnt the wall is such a nice idea[/quote]
well that's good then, I ain't gonna tell you to feel otherwise

[quote/]you have no control over what your ancestors did, you only have control over yourself and your actions, and if you arent intolerant you have nothing to be ashamed of[/quote]did you read what I wrote? I don't feel "ashamed" about [I/]shit[/I]

[quote/]the reason you cant know how a black woman feels in todays society is not because you arent black and a woman, its because you are not THAT black woman, you could be black and a woman and still dont know how she feels, the best you can hope is let your empathy tell you how she MIGHT feel[/quote]
you're right, black women are individuals that might think different things.....[b/]but I don't have anything to say in that conversation[/b] what could I say?

 

[thundra]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds about trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds of trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

defend yourself agaisnt the people who offend you, to the race to which they belong

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

well when people get told their opinion doesnt matter because they are white straight males i think thats insulting, atleast i would find it insulting if someone told me my opinion doesnt matter because im a straight latino male

weather or not I personally think their opinion "matters" depends on what they are saying, a rich guy telling poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps has probably got a skewed perspective

well ive seen people dismiss white opinions even regarding things white people can freely opine on

[quote/]ok, you got a one in a lifetime chance to ask a latino who he feels about this discrimination munbo jumbo, i dont care, stop hitting yourself agaisnt the wall and stop trying to convince other white people hitting yourself agaisnt the wall is such a nice idea

well that's good then, I ain't gonna tell you to feel otherwise [/quote]

yup, ill let you know if i feel any different

[quote/]you have no control over what your ancestors did, you only have control over yourself and your actions, and if you arent intolerant you have nothing to be ashamed of

did you read what I wrote? I don't feel "ashamed" about [I/]shit[/I] [/quote]

ok good

[quote/]the reason you cant know how a black woman feels in todays society is not because you arent black and a woman, its because you are not THAT black woman, you could be black and a woman and still dont know how she feels, the best you can hope is let your empathy tell you how she MIGHT feel

you're right, black women are individuals that might think different things.....[b/]but I don't have anything to say in that conversation[/b] what could I say?[/quote]

all i can think of is, "i feel bad you feel bad, is there anything i can do to help?"

 

[thundra]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds of trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

defend yourself agaisnt the people who offend you, to the race to which they belong

I'm not hating anyone. But democracy works only for those who are in power everyone else gets thrown under a bus your believe that modern world is fair and just is juvenile at best and downright naive

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds of trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

defend yourself agaisnt the people who offend you, to the race to which they belong

I'm not hating anyone. But democracy works only for those who are in power everyone else gets thrown under a bus your believe that modern world is fair and just is juvenile at best and downright naive

i dont agree, the general direction mankind is moving towards is acceptance and tolerance, we live in an outrageously tolerant world compared to previous ages, and i have no reason to believe it wont get better, we should simply stay on course

look one of the big advantages of democracy, that unfortunately is slowly disappearign where i live, is that everyone can express their opinion freely, if you feel oppressed state your points, make fair demands, and let people know you are person just like them and deserve the same treatment

democracy aint perfect, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives

 

[thundra]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds of trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

defend yourself agaisnt the people who offend you, to the race to which they belong

I'm not hating anyone. But democracy works only for those who are in power everyone else gets thrown under a bus your believe that modern world is fair and just is juvenile at best and downright naive

i dont agree, the general direction mankind is moving towards is acceptance and tolerance, we live in an outrageously tolerant world compared to previous ages, and i have no reason to believe it wont get better, we should simply stay on course

look one of the big advantages of democracy, that unfortunately is slowly disappearign where i live, is that everyone can express their opinion freely, if you feel oppressed state your points, make fair demands, and let people know you are person just like them and deserve the same treatment

democracy aint perfect, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives

You can't be that naive can you. Its kinda cute but no sorry thats not reality.

 

[Vault101]

you're right, black women are individuals that might think different things.....[b/]but I don't have anything to say in that conversation[/b] what could I say?

all i can think of is, "i feel bad you feel bad, is there anything i can do to help?"

acknowledging something is not the same as feeling "bad about" it...wanna have a discussion on how modern society views black women? don't ask me

again it goes back to what I was saying before, its kind of the same borderline arrogant mentality that asks why people need their own "spaces" its because the mainstream is a space that caters to one specific demographic,

[quote/]
and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best
[/quote]

do they want them to act rationally or calmly? or do they want them to stroke their egos? because some people aren't happy with anything but the latter

 

[Anja Bech]

So, in summary, if you just close your eyes and hope really fucking hard, racism will start to completely vanish, because the only thing keeping racism alive is people against racism talking about racism? And telling people to understand that just because they don't see it, just because they don't feel it, it doesn't mean it isn't happening, is the wrongest of wrongs because it really hurts your colorblind feels? Because you, NuclearKangaroo, are not a racist, and you have never experienced racism, so if everyone was perfect like you and could distance themselves from racism it would somehow vanish? How about you stop willfully misinterpreting what everyone is trying to tell you and just fucking accept that the world's population is not magically going to become colorblind over-night because we will it.

Like with every other social problem you need awareness, you need education about the problem (or whatever you want to call it), and you sometimes need to struggle with those trying to maintain the status quo because it benefits them and/or they are possibly blind to the problem. As a bare minimum it takes people willing to call bullshit on things like "racism doesn't exist because I don't feel it." And we call fucking bullshit.

/Edit for dumb typo.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

you're right, black women are individuals that might think different things.....[b/]but I don't have anything to say in that conversation[/b] what could I say?

all i can think of is, "i feel bad you feel bad, is there anything i can do to help?"

acknowledging something is not the same as feeling "bad about" it...wanna have a discussion on how modern society views black women? don't ask me

again it goes back to what I was saying before, its kind of the same borderline arrogant mentality that asks why people need their own "spaces" its because the mainstream is a space that caters to one specific demographic,

i dont agree, i mean, personally i never felt alineated by what was portrayed by the mainstream media, and there is content that is aimed at specific audiences

[quote/]
and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

do they want them to act rationally or calmly? or do they want them to stroke their egos? because some people aren't happy with anything but the latter[/quote]

then ignore those people, they are not worth your time

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

People aren't equal anywhere i'm being forced to do something that will cut my future generations ever exciting, nor can i ever marry someone in the future because of my gender identity. My country isn't your utopian Yugoslavia you think is so great here is little hint its not free from racism, homophobia or transphobia. Grow up

if you think people are not being treated equally, why dont you start by yourself, treat everyone equally regardless of his/her race/gender/sexual orientation and critize others who dont, its the best way to make a difference

That is not how it works. Those who are in power has all the power. There is reason why minority is called minority they have no voice. I do not have power to change entire country of over 5 million population minds of trans people that believes they are scum of the earth and gross i have to be in constant fear of real hate crimes unlike holy untouchble straight white people

and why would hate solve all that? dont you think that by acting rational and camly, people are more likely to accept you? to show empathy towards you? is not easy, but the hard route is often the best

defend yourself agaisnt the people who offend you, to the race to which they belong

I'm not hating anyone. But democracy works only for those who are in power everyone else gets thrown under a bus your believe that modern world is fair and just is juvenile at best and downright naive

i dont agree, the general direction mankind is moving towards is acceptance and tolerance, we live in an outrageously tolerant world compared to previous ages, and i have no reason to believe it wont get better, we should simply stay on course

look one of the big advantages of democracy, that unfortunately is slowly disappearign where i live, is that everyone can express their opinion freely, if you feel oppressed state your points, make fair demands, and let people know you are person just like them and deserve the same treatment

democracy aint perfect, but it sure as hell beats the alternatives

You can't be that naive can you. Its kinda cute but no sorry thats not reality.

well ive seen it work

i just cant imagine how acting in an aggresive way can be more effective at getting people to sympathise with you than acting calm, patient and rational

 

[Vault101]

i dont agree, i mean, personally i never felt alineated by what was portrayed by the mainstream media, and there is content that is aimed at specific audiences

well good for you! I'm glad we cleared that up....hear that guys? pack it up

[quote/]
then ignore those people, they are not worth your time[/quote]
you may be onto something there....but I digress...

heres the problem [quote/]

well ive seen it work

i just cant imagine how acting in an aggresive way can be more effective at getting people to sympathise with you than acting calm, patient and rational[/quote]

you ain't living in the real world, this is not being progressive, this is burying your head in the sand,

now I'm not going so far as to say your one of "those" people but the mentality is similar, arrogantly assuming everyone should stop being "mean" and sit around the campfire singing Kumbya (hey hey! guess who's got dibs on the guitar?)


guy sits there at his computer and comes across something that implies his demographic is better off in some way or another, (and of coarse he takes this personally because why the hell not?) now this he cannot abide, this messes with his view of the wolrd....so he needs to somehow prove that no....women are not worse off we are all equally worse off so he comes up with some disingenuous hippie "equality for everyone" and "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ" defence because god for bid he acknowledge something that (in his mind) casts him as the villan in the grand play of life

[b/]in his mind[/b]

you want to talk about being calm and rationale? who is being calm and rational here? is it the "gamers"? cause I sure as fuck don't think so

if me saying "I think the way games handle female characters and Gamers general attitude towards women is bullshit" (a statement which strikes me as perfectly reasonable give or take the profanity) hurts someone's feelings then [I/]screw their feelings[/I] I'm not sugar coating it

 

[Vault101]

lol!!! Such a funny joke!! I want to make a funny joke too... hmm let's see.

Grey Carter rapes black babies!!! lol now I am a cutting edge comedian too!!!

Now now moderation: let's keep it civil shall we? We don't wanna look like complete hypocritical twats by banning someone who made the same kind of jokes a paid contributor of The Escapist is making, do we?

erm.....why are you upset? how was this comic offense?

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

i dont agree, i mean, personally i never felt alineated by what was portrayed by the mainstream media, and there is content that is aimed at specific audiences

well good for you! I'm glad we cleared that up....hear that guys? pack it up

well make up your mind dude, you care about what minorities feel or not? how is me not feeling alineated any less important than someone feeling alineated?

[quote/]
then ignore those people, they are not worth your time

you may be onto something there....but I digress...

heres the problem

[quote/]

well ive seen it work

i just cant imagine how acting in an aggresive way can be more effective at getting people to sympathise with you than acting calm, patient and rational[/quote]

you ain't living in the real world, this is not being progressive, this is burying your head in the sand,

now I'm not going so far as to say your one of "those" people but the mentality is similar, arrogantly assuming everyone should stop being "mean" and sit around the campfire singing Kumbya (hey hey! guess who's got dibs on the guitar?)


guy sits there at his computer and comes across something that implies his demographic is better off in some way or another, (and of coarse he takes this personally because why the hell not?) now this he cannot abide, this messes with his view of the wolrd....so he needs to somehow prove that no....women are not worse off we are all equally worse off so he comes up with some disingenuous hippie "equality for everyone" and "WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ" defence because god for bid he acknowledge something that (in his mind) casts him as the villan in the grand play of life

[b/]in his mind[/b]

you want to talk about being calm and rationale? who is being calm and rational here? is it the "gamers"? cause I sure as fuck don't think so

if me saying "I think the way games handle female characters and Gamers general attitude towards women is bullshit" (a statement which strikes me as perfectly reasonable give or take the profanity) hurts someone's feelings then [I/]screw their feelings[/I] I'm not sugar coating it[/quote]

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr.

im going to repeat myself once more, i am aparently one of these supposedly oppressed minorities, ive never felt alineated from anything in the media, i never cared if the characters of the films i watches, the books i read or the games i played were black, latino, white, female, male, anthropomorphic animals, robots, spaceships, etc

however you know what i have also seen? your argument about priviledges and stuff, being used here, only this time refering to upper class people, what race could never do classism and politics did, my country has been divided in two, some of the most outrageous excesses have been commited in order to eliminate the priviledge of those in the upper class, some of the most blatant lies have been told to satisfy the poor masses

except, no, all the lies, are the excesses, they were done with the only purpose of bringing the people behind this movement into power and indulge themselves

so no, i believe it doesnt work

as for gamers not being rational, do you think its fair to tell an artist what he can or cannot do with his work?

if you are unsatisfied by the kind of games being made right now, allow me to show you this image

really, what is the most healthy behaviour?

 

[Vault101]

well make up your mind dude, you care about what minorities feel or not? how is me not feeling alineated any less important than someone feeling alineated?

its good you don't feel alienated, but that doesn't mean some don't


[quote/]
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr.[/quote]
martian luther king said a thing...whoop de fucking do

[quote/]im going to repeat myself once more, i am aparently one of these supposedly oppressed minorities, ive never felt alineated from anything in the media, i never cared if the characters of the films i watches, the books i read or the games i played were black, latino, white, female, male, anthropomorphic animals, robots, spaceships, etc[/quote]
so what? I should do the same? not care?

oh oh no no sorry

I should go away, I should stop talking...we should all go the fuck away shouldn't we?

because everytime someone says "make your own games" every time someone pulls a "what about the menz" ever time someone tries to mansplain the fact that we all have an eaqual share of the oppression pie that's what they are saying

that's what YOU are saying, you don't want us to be reasonable, you want us to be silent

yeah, no your right, I should stop hurting peoples feelings by being critical of media

[quote/]however you know what i have seen? your argument about priviledges and stuff, being used here, only this time refering to upper class people, what race could never do classism and politics did, my country has been divided in two, some of the most outrageous excesses have been commited in order to eliminate the priviledge of those in the upper class, some of the most blatant lies have been told to satisfy the poor masses

except, no, all the lies, are the excesses, they were done with the only purpose of bringing the people behind this movement into power and indulge themselves

so no, it doesnt work[/quote]

your version of "it" and my version of "it" are cealry ver different

[quote/]as for gamers not being rational, do you think its fair to tell an artist what he can or cannot do with his work?[/quote]
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT

and there you go again, eather its equality for everyone or its artistic integrity....its the same thing in the end, an utter refusal to understand or acknowledge why people feel that way


no no its always something else...its this...its that let me quote martin luther king! let me show you the light of all equality you silly female, let me tell you why you should shut up but I'll be nice about it!

[quote/]if you are unsatisfied by the kind of games being made right now, allow me to show you this image

really, what is the most healthy behaviour?[/quote]

that image right here is arrogance at its best

you talk to ME about being reasonable and then...and then with such condescension and a little pat on the head and shove that crap at me like....like that's it? that's the fucking solution to everyone's problems? if the silly whatevers just go away and make their own whatever that absolves the rest of us any critical thought? it protects the feewings of all those poor souls who get that little twinge in their stomach the moment something they like is criticised

that image is everything wrong with peuso progressive disingenuous people, and the fact that you honestly don't see the issue with it goes to show a complete refusal to understand

and you wonder why people het pissed off