The Feminine Female

[Labyrinth]

Sorry I read up to "select male elite" and just saw the rest of this being a feminism rant which is not what this thead is about. I apologise for the girl / man thing its just something associated with my childhood.

As a young, young boy I used to hear my parents and other adults saying girls when referencing nice females that were in general someone you wanted to be around, the only times I heard them say woman was in reference to females I, at the time as a small child, saw as somewhat more aggressive females whilst ladies where high society types.

There is no male > female oppression in my words it was simply a psychosematic correlation to childhood impressions I dont seem to have shaken off.

Incedently I do take the same thinking as Sir John. I see girls as any female up to the age of about 30 but when I say girl I mean it in a positive thing and Just like John for me girl is no different from chick, chica or dudette.

As stated above. I dont want to see references to feminists here. Its one of those unstable volatile discussions like religion and politics. Keep in with the feminine side not the feminist.

Sorry, but if you start up a conversation about gender, you must respect that feminism and gender roles are going to be brought into it whether you like it or not. Disregarding these because they're associated with the feminist movement is rather silly. We bring feminism up because it is fundamentally important to these discussions as soon as you ask for a definition of 'feminine'. I figure you're going to toss this aside too, which is disappointing. I'd hoped better, and in the faint, lingering light of that sweet hope here's a link to a blog which I think you should read: Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/] and another to a post on why we talk about feminism: here [http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/19971feminism.html]. The latter's probably a better single choice.

 

[dslatch]

A feminine girl where i live are the ones that don't smoke and couldn't bring down Ali in a fist fight. So that leaves jeans, pointed shoes, hair left long, you know the girls who can't carry a long conversation with a guy like me.

 

[Dragunai]

Sorry I read up to "select male elite" and just saw the rest of this being a feminism rant which is not what this thead is about. I apologise for the girl / man thing its just something associated with my childhood.

As a young, young boy I used to hear my parents and other adults saying girls when referencing nice females that were in general someone you wanted to be around, the only times I heard them say woman was in reference to females I, at the time as a small child, saw as somewhat more aggressive females whilst ladies where high society types.

There is no male > female oppression in my words it was simply a psychosematic correlation to childhood impressions I dont seem to have shaken off.

Incedently I do take the same thinking as Sir John. I see girls as any female up to the age of about 30 but when I say girl I mean it in a positive thing and Just like John for me girl is no different from chick, chica or dudette.

As stated above. I dont want to see references to feminists here. Its one of those unstable volatile discussions like religion and politics. Keep in with the feminine side not the feminist.

Sorry, but if you start up a conversation about gender, you must respect that feminism and gender roles are going to be brought into it whether you like it or not. Disregarding these because they're associated with the feminist movement is rather silly. We bring feminism up because it is fundamentally important to these discussions as soon as you ask for a definition of 'feminine'. I figure you're going to toss this aside too, which is disappointing. I'd hoped better, and in the faint, lingering light of that sweet hope here's a link to a blog which I think you should read: Feminism 101 [http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/] and another to a post on why we talk about feminism: here [http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/19971feminism.html]. The latter's probably a better single choice.

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

I apologised for the implication of "girl = juvenile" and I explained my basis for it. You didnt even acknowledge my apology or my reasoning. You simply just jumped into another insulting post against me when I went and explained why I didnt want feminism brought up here.

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

A feminine girl where i live are the ones that don't smoke and couldn't bring down Ali in a fist fight. So that leaves jeans, pointed shoes, hair left long, you know the girls who can't carry a long conversation with a guy like me.

Dude where the hell do you live?
Where I am seeing a girl in a skirt is something of a privilege. Interestingly enough one of the motivations for starting this thread was on my birthday the otherday when I was in a town local to me. I saw this chick who was about 5'2" (157.5cm to the americans) in height. Probably in her early 30s (coould be wrong) and she was wearing a very vibrant red skirt to her knee and a red jersey. I couldnt understand her language of choice but it was a distinct pleasure to see a female in a skirt who seemed happy to embrace her gender.

 

[Naheal]

Which seems to be 90% of the internet these days haha.
I presented my OP with 3 fair questions that either gender can wade in on without either having to feel kicked and down.

I want to know if the girls agree and if they dont, I want them to explain what defines them as feminine. Its not a rant, its not a hate speech. Im just a reclusive guy who lives very far away from any major settlements and therefore cannot get into social settings often to construct a stronger foundation to set this on.

This is unavoidable, because 90% of the internet is looking for a fight. And the other 10% is downloading porn.

You got that backwards.

 

[Evidencebased]

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Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

I apologised for the implication of "girl = juvenile" and I explained my basis for it. You didnt even acknowledge my apology or my reasoning. You simply just jumped into another insulting post against me when I went and explained why I didnt want feminism brought up here.

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

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Dude where the hell do you live?
Where I am seeing a girl in a skirt is something of a privilege. Interestingly enough one of the motivations for starting this thread was on my birthday the otherday when I was in a town local to me. I saw this chick who was about 5'2" (157.5cm to the americans) in height. Probably in her early 30s (coould be wrong) and she was wearing a very vibrant red skirt to her knee and a red jersey. I couldnt understand her language of choice but it was a distinct pleasure to see a female in a skirt who seemed happy to embrace her gender.

Waaaait... you don't want to discuss feminist theory but then you go and say stuff like "happy to embrace her gender"? And equate that to skirt-wearing? You do realize that a huge portion of feminist discussion involves talking about "what is gender?" and "how do people perform gender?" and "what does a skirt indicate about the wearer (if anything)?" and the like, right? There is literally no way to have a chat about performances of femininity (which is the essence of the "feminine female" question) without bringing up some feminist concepts.

There's nothing angry about it! Why would women hate being women? But gender and performances of gender are a complex subject that feminists (yes, male feminists too) spend a lot of time reading and thinking about. Saying that you don't want feminist input on a question of changing definitions of femininity is like saying that you don't want any scientists giving input on a discussion of science. It's kinda what they do all day.

 

[theevilsanta]

Just finished reading the thread and wow, what a mess.

From the OP I get this: Women in skirts and dresses are hot, yet I almost never see them. WTF!?

He also appreciates women that have more "feminine" characteristics. I mean, who doesn't love their mommy? (I'm serious not condescending here.)

That brings me to my next observation - the use of the words "feminine" and "masculine" are really not going to bring this thread anywhere productive. There have been thousands upon thousands of pages written about these subjects by people smarter than us.

So why does the OP love the dresses? I'd venture a guess that it's the same reason I love seeing women in skirts or dresses - the exoticness. I am a relatively normal hetero American man and haven't ever worn a dress, skirt, tights, a frilly blouse or, my favorite, lace. Before I became involved with women in an intimate way I'd never even touched such articles of clothing. They were a fascinating enigma. They were a physical representation of the mystery of the opposite sex. And who doesn't find mystery sexy?

Yet when I see a woman, no matter how attractive, wearing a jeans and whatever or slacks and whatever part of that intriguing mystery is lost. Other than chest support they are essentially wearing the exact same thing I might wear the next day. I imagine women feel the same way about the few articles of clothing men still have tenuous ownership over - neck ties, cuff links, and men's shoes (and jock straps?).

Let's face it. Clothes cling to our bodies more than anything else. Our bodies are what we have sex with. CLOTHES ARE SEXUAL.

 

[Dragunai]

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Waaaait... you don't want to discuss feminist theory but then you go and say stuff like "happy to embrace her gender"? And equate that to skirt-wearing? You do realize that a huge portion of feminist discussion involves talking about "what is gender?" and "how do people perform gender?" and "what does a skirt indicate about the wearer (if anything)?" and the like, right? There is literally no way to have a chat about performances of femininity (which is the essence of the "feminine female" question) without bringing up some feminist concepts.

There's nothing angry about it! Why would women hate being women? But gender and performances of gender are a complex subject that feminists (yes, male feminists too) spend a lot of time reading and thinking about. Saying that you don't want feminist input on a question of changing definitions of femininity is like saying that you don't want any scientists giving input on a discussion of science. It's kinda what they do all day.

I guess I didnt think that through enough when I posted it.
It just seems that anytime a feminist surfaces a barrage of insults, aggressive opinions and arguements seems to follow them and I am truely sick and tired of hearing it.

I dont mistreat women, I dont look down at them and I dont objectify them.
Any girls Ive had in my life were loved, doted on and adored before they cheated on me and left me for some other guy.

I seriously dont understand this whole concept anymore, I honestly dont. I mean, I do what I can to sustain the belief that all humans are good and that just because 100% of my relationships ended in me being betrayed doesnt equate to all women being that way inclined all I end up getting is abuse FROM women who seem to hate being women.

In the end all feminism is encouraging in me is the distinct desire to become A sexual and just avoid women at all costs for fear of simply getting screamed at any time I cross the path of one.

Conversely if a female was to join the conversation and bring up feminism in RELETIVE CONTEXT and not say tedious, predicatable and frankly trollish things like "Select Male Elite" but instead say "Well from a feminist point of view perhaps some girls find feminine clothing make them the subject of attention from sleazy men" I would reply with "Thats a good point as some girls (like men) can be shy about their physical appereance for Reasons unique to them and if a sleaze bag was hitting on her and staring at her chest / legs etc I can understand how wearing such articles make them uncomfortable". Instead what we got was Labrynth trying and failing to incite me to an arguement.

Theres a difference between presenting a case from a feminist point of view in a civilised manner and simply ramming it down my throat. I have said repeatedly, I am a civilised rational adult male, I dont want more god forsaken arguements from people who are just looking for fights.

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Just finished reading the thread and wow, what a mess.

From the OP I get this: Women in skirts and dresses are hot, yet I almost never see them. WTF!?

He also appreciates women that have more "feminine" characteristics. I mean, who doesn't love their mommy? (I'm serious not condescending here.)

That brings me to my next observation - the use of the words "feminine" and "masculine" are really not going to bring this thread anywhere productive. There have been thousands upon thousands of pages written about these subjects by people smarter than us.

So why does the OP love the dresses? I'd venture a guess that it's the same reason I love seeing women in skirts or dresses - the exoticness. I am a relatively normal hetero American man and haven't ever worn a dress, skirt, tights, a frilly blouse or, my favorite, lace. Before I became involved with women in an intimate way I'd never even touched such articles of clothing. They were a fascinating enigma. They were a physical representation of the mystery of the opposite sex. And who doesn't find mystery sexy?

Yet when I see a woman, no matter how attractive, wearing a jeans and whatever or slacks and whatever part of that intriguing mystery is lost. Other than chest support they are essentially wearing the exact same thing I might wear the next day. I imagine women feel the same way about the few articles of clothing men still have tenuous ownership over - neck ties, cuff links, and men's shoes (and jock straps?).

Let's face it. Clothes cling to our bodies more than anything else. Our bodies are what we have sex with. CLOTHES ARE SEXUAL.

Interesting view point. I am inclined to agree with you.

 

[BioHazardMan]

As most of us probably know, beauty is subjective.

Although my view of a feminine woman would be one who wears girlish things, is very emotional (aren't they all? Heh), wants men to do things for her etc.

Personally I prefer girls that are kind of tomboyish, but that's just me.

 

[Brutal Peanut]

I like wearing jeans and t-shirts, but I also like to get dressed up, when it counts. Like a special occasion. Honestly, the casual look doesn't work ALL the time, and I think some people (men and women) should realize that. Not everything is a t-shirt and jeans affair. I'll wear jeans and t-shirt but I'll also do my hair and wear light make-up (or none, depending on how warm it is) when I go out to run errands , and I'll carry a purse and all that. I don't go out in my 'lay-around-the-house' clothes, which is a big comfy hoodie, sweatpants, and moccasin style house-shoes.

I think a lot of women aren't dressing that way, not because they don't like it (though some don't), but because of cost and convenience. Jeans and t-shirts, are hardier and they tend to last a lot longer. Not just that, it also depends on the weather. If it's cold out, you can forget the skirt and silky blouse. Summer is a completely different story around here at 113 degrees F, and you'll see a lot of skirts.

Some ladies, just feel confined by dress-up clothes, and others think they are the comfiest items in the world. It really all depends on the persons personal tastes. I do make an effort to make myself, look (my version) of presentable when I go out, and that's enough for me.

 

[Labyrinth]

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

I'm curious as to how you got to "Hateful and argumentative" from my civil posting. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding along the way. Was it the "select male elite" bit? Allow me to explain. That phrase does not refer to all men everywhere being an elite, it refers to the fact that the majority of power elite in the world are male. Generally also white and over 45 in modern times but there has been a select male elite throughout as many cultures as I can think of, and as far back as my knowledge of history goes. This is what is meant by patriarchy, the rule of patriarchs. It's neither hateful nor argumentative to point this out, it's a historical, statistical fact.

Nor do I quite get the part about wishing I'd been born male and wanting to make people suffer. Is this a general assertion you're making about feminists? Been reading some Freud perhaps? I assure you it is mistaken. One of the key reasons that feminists have been trying to redefine 'feminine' and 'masculine', or indeed, to remove them as defining features all together is because a lot of people find themselves restricted by these definitions. From the idea that celebrating being female requires one to be demure and wear dresses to the rather militant attitude that it's not manly to like men, these are cultural constructions which impede those who do not adhere to them.

If you're looking for feminist perspectives which are relevant to this discussion, perhaps you should remember the fact that you specifically asked what we defined as 'feminine'. I am entirely happy with my gender and do embrace and enjoy it. As I said before, my femininity comes from that and that alone, not from dressing in colourful skirts or acting in a traditionally 'feminine' manner.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Anyone who has ever used a web forum knows hand on heart and irrivocably that as soon as you bring up a political, religious or Gender based discussion on the intellectual wasteland of the internet, arguements WILL arise. THAT is why I told you and one other person to let it go and not bring it up again. The 2nd person adhered to my civilised and rationally explained request. You didn't because you have a point to prove.

But it's a valid point, you can't ask about the idea of the 'feminine' and then turn aside a feminist viewpoint. It's like asking about avionics and then asking the electrical engineers or pilots to take their opinion elsewhere. Even when asking nicely you can't make relevant comments any less pertinent.

 

[Ultrajoe]

I guess I didnt think that through enough when I posted it.
It just seems that anytime a feminist surfaces a barrage of insults, aggressive opinions and arguements seems to follow them and I am truely sick and tired of hearing it.

The only one tossing insults, aggressive opinions and argumentative comments so far is you.

I dont mistreat women, I dont look down at them and I dont objectify them.

Yes you do, you've described several ways in this thread alone you'd love to objectify them. The problem with your assertion is that you don't know what the word 'Objectify' means from a gender-roles perspective. You don't do what you think is objectification, but the relevant definition of that word is apparently what you love in women.

Here's the thing, there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is the assumption that this is in some way 'proper' or 'natural'. There's a difference between loving demure women and hating the ones that aren't, and I'm not accusing you of either of those before you respond.

I seriously dont understand this whole concept anymore, I honestly dont. I mean, I do what I can to sustain the belief that all humans are good and that just because 100% of my relationships ended in me being betrayed doesnt equate to all women being that way inclined all I end up getting is abuse FROM women who seem to hate being women.

They abuse you (or if this thread is any indication; reply to you and then get yelled at for it) because you think of them and refer to them as 'women who seem to hate being women'. Is that surprising?

In the end all feminism is encouraging in me is the distinct desire to become A sexual and just avoid women at all costs for fear of simply getting screamed at any time I cross the path of one.

Conversely if a female was to join the conversation and bring up feminism in RELETIVE CONTEXT and not say tedious, predicatable and frankly trollish things like "Select Male Elite" but instead say "Well from a feminist point of view perhaps some girls find feminine clothing make them the subject of attention from sleazy men"

But that's not what she was saying. Her comment *was* related in context, just because you take offense automatically doesn't mean otherwise. In fact, we might say it makes it all the more relevant.

Instead what we got was Labrynth trying and failing to incite me to an arguement.

A discussion, and the only failure here was yours to not respond rationally.

Theres a difference between presenting a case from a feminist point of view in a civilised manner and simply ramming it down my throat. I have said repeatedly, I am a civilised rational adult male, I dont want more god forsaken arguements from people who are just looking for fights.

Saying you're a civilized and rational adult and behaving like one are very different things. I'm sorry for being a snarky piece of shit, but do you think that the reason women keep leaving you and why feminists keep becoming offended by you is because you keep on being offensive?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

To me femininity is in cuteness and in the softness imbued into a girl's way with things, not in her style. I'll give you a perfectly good example.


There's this girl in my Japanese class who one day wore a shirt with a panda, which said "I wish I were a panda". Then, some days later she had another shirt on with a panda which said "I wish I were colorful". Now, that stroke a chord with me and I found it extremely adorable, even though she was wearing jeans at both times. I commented to her about how I found it endearing and she was instantly shy I remembered it, not in an awkward way but more in a funny one. My memory retains odd things like that but to her that seemed too much and she now often asks me questions about the clothes she wore previously. It has become a sort of game lol.


So yeah, don't try and set a limit as to what you can classify as feminine and what you can't, people can and usually will surprise you.

 

[Dragunai]

Again you're just trying to start an arguement where none exists. You're clearly just angry you were born a woman and want to make sure the rest of us suffer for it. No one else here said ANYTHING in regards to feminists because no one else here correlates the sterotypes of the two defintions: "Cute girls in pink dresses" with "womans rights and the suffrajet movement"

So please take your hateful, argumentitive posts and leave before I report you for inciting flame wars and arguements in a perfectly happy thread where no one is offended or angry about the pretext. Not even the other female posters who have simply said "I am feminine because" or "I am not not because".

Thank you.

I'm curious as to how you got to "Hateful and argumentative" from my civil posting. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding along the way. Was it the "select male elite" bit? Allow me to explain. That phrase does not refer to all men everywhere being an elite, it refers to the fact that the majority of power elite in the world are male. Generally also white and over 45 in modern times but there has been a select male elite throughout as many cultures as I can think of, and as far back as my knowledge of history goes. This is what is meant by patriarchy, the rule of patriarchs. It's neither hateful nor argumentative to point this out, it's a historical, statistical fact.

Nor do I quite get the part about wishing I'd been born male and wanting to make people suffer. Is this a general assertion you're making about feminists? Been reading some Freud perhaps? I assure you it is mistaken. One of the key reasons that feminists have been trying to redefine 'feminine' and 'masculine', or indeed, to remove them as defining features all together is because a lot of people find themselves restricted by these definitions. From the idea that celebrating being female requires one to be demure and wear dresses to the rather militant attitude that it's not manly to like men, these are cultural constructions which impede those who do not adhere to them.

If you're looking for feminist perspectives which are relevant to this discussion, perhaps you should remember the fact that you specifically asked what we defined as 'feminine'. I am entirely happy with my gender and do embrace and enjoy it. As I said before, my femininity comes from that and that alone, not from dressing in colourful skirts or acting in a traditionally 'feminine' manner.

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

 

[Ultrajoe]

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

It must be very confronting, when the evil feminists conspire to behave differently than your impossible doomsday preconceptions demand. How devious of them, to display none of the sentiments you're accusing them of! When you know, quite clearly, what feminism is all about! You've not read their essays, blogs or taken part in their discourse (because that would be supporting the female supremacists they seditiously don't act like) so you know what you're not talking about like the back of their hand!

If you took a moment to read what labyrinth is writing, instead of seeing red like the worst possible characiture of a chauvinist, you might notice that she's been more on topic than you have. She's correcting and questioning you, not all men. She's speaking for herself, not all women and most certainly not all feminists (who can be quite divided on certain topics, especially what 'feminine' means). This isn't man versus women, only you've gone and made it as such to conform with your idea of what a feminist is and how much they hate you.

Feminists don't hate you. I'm very sorry to break this news to you, there are support groups available.

 

[MasterChief892039]

Ok awesome, your patronisng use of "reading Freud" isnt contadicting your claim that your being civilised at all so I absolutely feel compelled to agree with you and simply say Congrats, you win.

I admit men are mud crawling dogs and women are the master race. Can I now go back to not giving the slightest of fucks about feminism?

It would be just super if we could, maybe, get back on track and go back to talking about "what is your personal opinion on modern feminine images" without any of the attitude or bitchiness.

Not going to happen as long as feminists are hanging out in the thread but I, a humble man who doesnt deserve his rights or freedom, can dream!

Holy crap. So, that post made me curious as to what Labyrinth could have possibly said that got you so riled up at feminists, so I went back and read your exchange with her from the beginning. I suggest you do the same, and evaluate how you reacted. Labyrinth contributed a thoughtful, relevant, civil and intelligent post to the discussion you started, and you flipped shit and attacked her. I'm curious what it was in her discussion of gender that offended you so personally? She has a point; you cannot discuss "femininity" without first examining what we define as "feminine", and why... the answers to such questions lie in culture and gender construction, two areas that are often studied in feminist theory.

Nothing Labyrinth said at any point was argumentative, insulting, or man-bashing. She did use the phrase "male elite", but she was referring to the historical fact that men have typically held the positions of power - it was not at all an attack on you or men, but a simple statement of fact that cannot be denied.



Anyway, OT - there's nothing inherently wrong with liking a feminine woman as you're entitled to whatever personal desires you like. However, there is a problem with suggesting that more people should conform to your notion of attractiveness, or suggesting that wearing jeans or something similar makes you "unfeminine". Just as you have the right to desire whatever you want, women have the right to dress and act however they want, and not have their gender identity questioned.
I, personally, find men with huge muscles attractive, but you don't see me complaining that most guys these days are pretty skinny and don't work out, and I certainly don't question their masculinity for making that choice.

 

[SteewpidZombie]

Feminine now in days...involves being oneself...*scary*...but at the same time it just goes to show that the 'Norm' and old views are gone for the most part and that women come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and forms...kinda like guys *OMG INSANE REVELATION!*.

I know it's a frightening world out there for us men...being tormented daily by the females...them taking jobs and wearing clothes that even guys wear *DREADFULLY TERRIFYING!*. But alas there is nothing we can do...they've...evolved...grown more powerful...they...are adapting...they're becoming...dare I say *I do dare*...independent of old stereotypes *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*.

We may have to stop them...we...MUST! *BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!*...we need to cage them all up...force them to like Pink *The ignored color of the spectrum*, and to wear frilly dresses and skirts that reach no higher then the knees *UNLESS they be seen as provocative!*...yes...we can't let them...BECOME OUR EQUALS AND WORTHY OF EQUAL RESPECT AND VIEWING! *Le'GASP!*.

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For those who didn't get the sarcasm and irony of such words...*Facepalm*...jus...just crawl back into the dark void of the internet from WENCE YE CAME!

 

[Dags90]

Feminine now in days...involves being oneself...*scary*...but at the same time it just goes to show that the 'Norm' and old views are gone for the most part and that women come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and forms...kinda like guys *OMG INSANE REVELATION!*.

I know it's a frightening world out there for us men...being tormented daily by the females...them taking jobs and wearing clothes that even guys wear *DREADFULLY TERRIFYING!*. But alas there is nothing we can do...they've...evolved...grown more powerful...they...are adapting...they're becoming...dare I say *I do dare*...independent of old stereotypes *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*.

We may have to stop them...we...MUST! *BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!*...we need to cage them all up...force them to like Pink *The ignored color of the spectrum*, and to wear frilly dresses and skirts that reach no higher then the knees *UNLESS they be seen as provocative!*...yes...we can't let them...BECOME OUR EQUALS AND WORTHY OF EQUAL RESPECT AND VIEWING! *Le'GASP!*.

Suddenly the Terminator movies make sense! It's an allegory for the the feminist movement.

The robots represent powerful, independent women, who have replaced men in society. And Sarah Conner represents the woman who will save society in the only way women should, by helping a man. Of course!

 

[SteewpidZombie]

DOUBLE SNIP!

SNIP!

Yes...we must stop them...by GOING BACK IN TIME!...QUICK! You grab Christopher Lloyd and I'll get Micheal J. Fox! Then all we need is to reconstruct the DeLorean DMC-12 again!

Spoiler

Oh bugger off if the Back To The Future joke was predictable!

 

[RanD00M]

Hang on. I must investigate what the hell Dimmu Borgir is...

TO YOUTUBE!

...

Ah k So speed metal.

What? [footnote]Please note that my post will in no way refer to femininity, feminism or women in general.[/footnote] Just, what? Dimmu Borgir are one of the most commercial Black Metal bands on this earth, how can you call that speed metal? They're not all that good, well not their latest stuff anyway, but still how can you mix Black Metal with Speed Metal. That's like saying that Marduk and Halloween sound alike. Well not really, seeing as how Marduk made one of the heaviest albums of all time, but there is still a pretty wide gap between the two genres.