As many other have said before, the internet is allready hell and giving a sh** about what some stupid ass people or wannabe rebels on the internet belive is crazy. Just care about the smart/nice/hopefully both ones.
The internet is going to hell?
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The answer is simple, no the internet does not breed atheism, how you are raised and your interactions with other life forms does. I suppose however, that your presumption that the internet and anonymity in general breed anarchic thought. It's simple really, no identity means no consequence to the person commiting the action or saying the words. I was raised by a devout pentecostal christian mother, and a nowhere near as devout semi baptist father (in other words, when he wasn't battling inner demons he went to church). I personally spent 14 years believing in God, Christ, Christ-God, and so on. One day, i decided everybody was seemingly enjoying the things i was told would damn me to hell, so i decided to put God on hiatus for a while. Well, 4 years later I hadn't picked it back up for various reasons, then at about a year ago, I went to Thailand. I'll tell you this, there cannot be a God in a world so cruel as to let little children be used as prostitutes for men in their 60's. What God would make a grown woman so desperate for cash that she would spend her nights in Pattaya shoving razor blades in places unmentionable just to put on a *show*? While these are not things that inherently make me not believe, they do not reenforce what little faith I have. Where is God in Africa? Where is God in palestine? Where was God when that woman had her little baby cut from her womb and taken away? Why does he love some more then others when he claims they are all his children? The truth is, because he's not there, the reality is, as alan moore once famously wrote, "This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It?s us. Only us." We are the shapers of our own destinies, using anything we can to give them meaning and purpose. Unfortunately, this leads to some assuming their purpose is greater, this in turn leads to conflict.
Please share this elusive truth that you hold, the same truth that no one as of yet has ever managed to give neither side of the spectrum has proof and to say that you alone posses it is talking out of your arse. Demonstrable, proof that would hold up to a court of law, personal experiances dont count, and if you mention pascalls wager or the watchmaker argument I wont even bother.inx7 said:
Seriously im fascinated in this truth of your's I have had alot of debates with people claiming ot have the truth but no one seems to follow through with it.
Yeah, by 12-15 year old morons, I've been there, I was a religion-flaming moron at that age too. =_=''Flying-Emu said:
Man... I really wish I could take back all the stupid things I've said to theists.
I'm more agnostic than any other term I can come up with.
I personally think people were perhaps too quick to jump to pure atheism when they decided the most available religions suck.
But in any case, narrow minded atheists telling people with 100% certainty that God was made up by man are just jerks and doing the same thing as the more unpleasant preachers. And I think atheism looses it's point when it essentially becomes a new religion.
But to stay on topic, I do believe it's great that we can share our opinions anonymously through the internet, albeit it is a double edged sword. Through it, we can form new and better opinions that perhaps weren't possible alone, likely surrounded by conservative people.
I personally think people were perhaps too quick to jump to pure atheism when they decided the most available religions suck.
But in any case, narrow minded atheists telling people with 100% certainty that God was made up by man are just jerks and doing the same thing as the more unpleasant preachers. And I think atheism looses it's point when it essentially becomes a new religion.
But to stay on topic, I do believe it's great that we can share our opinions anonymously through the internet, albeit it is a double edged sword. Through it, we can form new and better opinions that perhaps weren't possible alone, likely surrounded by conservative people.
Flame away on me. =) 100% Christian here. I've actually been pleasantly surprised with the lack of flaming on this site. Yes, I'm still a fairly new member, but I've made it known in many posts my beliefs and have yet to be attacked for them.
Then again I'm not the kind of Christian to sit there and throw the Bible at you while shaking my finger either. :shrug: Although I do find #3 to be quite sad. No matter what you believe, be it a religion, agnostic or atheist, stand up for your belief. If you won't, then who will? Gold only comes out more pure when it's put through the fire.
Then again I'm not the kind of Christian to sit there and throw the Bible at you while shaking my finger either. :shrug: Although I do find #3 to be quite sad. No matter what you believe, be it a religion, agnostic or atheist, stand up for your belief. If you won't, then who will? Gold only comes out more pure when it's put through the fire.
You, are evil. I'm staring at your avatar at the moment waiting for it to animate. :grumble:Animated Rope said:
Without the need to sound redundant, there has always been people pointing out other's stupidity in their religious beliefs (not that I'm saying any religion is stupid, hell I don't even know what to classify my own beliefs), but this isn't a new phenomenon, this has always been an internet constant, for as long as people have a place to anonymously voice their opinion, there is always someone willing to point out their belief is wrong. Atheist, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, whatever your belief, there's always someone pointing out why you're wrong.
I think religious people are less... agressive I suppose than atheists. Definitely just a generalization but typically atheists take pride in calling out religious people on their beliefs and telling them why they're wrong.
Just an observation. I support the Bill Maher stance on religion and just about everything else and that is what I have noticed about my fellow atheists.
Just an observation. I support the Bill Maher stance on religion and just about everything else and that is what I have noticed about my fellow atheists.
Here's what I think: Some atheists subscribe to the kind of anti-intellectual atheism that uses arguments like:
"If there is a God, why does bad stuff happen?" (That might prove there's no GOOD god. But it doesn't disprove that there IS an indifferent god.)
"Religious people do horrible things, like praying for diseases to go away instead of going to the doctor!" (First of all, that's a huge generalization, assuming that the minority is a majority. Most religious people DON'T act like that. Secondly, the only thing that matters is if a religion is true or not. Bad things that the religion caused are irrelevant if it's true, and if it's not, there's no reason to follow it, bad things or not.)
"If there is a God everywhere, why can't I see him anywhere?" (If there is air, why can't you see it? If people think, why have you never SEEN a thought?)
"Religions only lead to bad things!" (So you consider collecting money to help starvation victims to be a bad thing? Your morals are pretty weird, you know that?)
In real life, there's a risk that people might give intelligent answers. But on the web, it doesn't matter that you have an IQ of 89, you're still smart as long as you don't believe in anything you can't see. Here, you're free to show the kind of prejudice and intolerance that you accuse religious people of nurturing.
Here, you're free to ignore the good things, like charity, that religions have contributed to the world.
"If there is a God, why does bad stuff happen?" (That might prove there's no GOOD god. But it doesn't disprove that there IS an indifferent god.)
"Religious people do horrible things, like praying for diseases to go away instead of going to the doctor!" (First of all, that's a huge generalization, assuming that the minority is a majority. Most religious people DON'T act like that. Secondly, the only thing that matters is if a religion is true or not. Bad things that the religion caused are irrelevant if it's true, and if it's not, there's no reason to follow it, bad things or not.)
"If there is a God everywhere, why can't I see him anywhere?" (If there is air, why can't you see it? If people think, why have you never SEEN a thought?)
"Religions only lead to bad things!" (So you consider collecting money to help starvation victims to be a bad thing? Your morals are pretty weird, you know that?)
In real life, there's a risk that people might give intelligent answers. But on the web, it doesn't matter that you have an IQ of 89, you're still smart as long as you don't believe in anything you can't see. Here, you're free to show the kind of prejudice and intolerance that you accuse religious people of nurturing.
Here, you're free to ignore the good things, like charity, that religions have contributed to the world.
Poorly organized charity can be fairly damageing to a country. Simply dumping aid on people can cause them to become reliant on the aid at the detriment of their economy. I'm not saying religious charities are the only ones who do this, I'm saying charity isn't as wholly positive as it first seems.Queen Michael said:
Please elaborate. It'd be better to be reliant on charity to survive than not being able to survive, right? I mean, either you give them bread so they have to rely on the bread you give them, or you don't give them any bread and they die of starvation. Or did I miss something? (Cuz it's fully possible I did, I'm no expert.)Archaeology Hat said:
I know a lot of religeous people on the net too. I myself am not spiritual, but modern games are not really appealing to religeous people as some games themselves mock religion on what those religions stand for.
I think that the kind of people you are talking about are just gamers and web trolls. The evolution of the net is a beautiful thing - I mean many of the people on 4chan are not racist but there are racist posts all the time.
I think people just want to have fun and don't feel we should accompany anyones views - never mind the religeous
I think that the kind of people you are talking about are just gamers and web trolls. The evolution of the net is a beautiful thing - I mean many of the people on 4chan are not racist but there are racist posts all the time.
I think people just want to have fun and don't feel we should accompany anyones views - never mind the religeous
Exactly, people don't bring up their religion on this forum for various reasons, including the unneeding to force the beliefs down people's throats. Just because a bunch of athiests like to spread their beliefs it doesn't mean there is an increase of them. I do believe in this age we live in currently, that religion doesn't mean as much to people, but they still keep most of their beliefs and keep them to themselves which doesn't necessarily mean that atheism is on the increase.magnuslion said:
1) Absolutely.DoW Lowen said:
2) They go, but only watch and cry.
3) Probably. It's a pain in the ass.
4) This one too. There are plenty of "christian forums" out there...that have the exact same kinds of people as regular ones.
5) My thoughts exactly. Going to hell? The internet is hell.
They'll let you know.
No, it just allows the same stupid people to voice their opinions over and over (and most of them claim atheism).
Yes, and it proves nothing.
No, but it enables the voicing of anarchic action.
I can't tell through your pudge.
No, this is the internet.
By the way, I prefer clever to abraisive, but use the latter if 'clever' becomes old hat. Or if it's six in the morning. >.<
I don't think so. Aid isn't usually given on a massive scale from these organisations (see UNRWA or similar) because they rely on donations. So they are a minor contributary to the problem. Sure they might not be able to tackle the root of the problem as effectively as a major agency but they are much less likely to do significant harm.Archaeology Hat said:
Not to mention art, lots of good stuff wouldn't have been created otherwise. Music, painting, archaterure and literature have all benefited from religious influence.Queen Michael said:
Agreed the people who cry and damn religion are attention seekers. I hate it when people try and force religion down my throat - I hate it more when people wont shut up about atheism.Mackinator said:
Different Strokes is what I say. If your religeous I can still talk and have a laugh with you, it doesnt make up an entire person.
I don't think the term "breeds" is the right one. Anyone who is atheist is so by choice, hopefully based on experience and some research, rather than to just spite school or parents.
People's opinions on the internet in regards to religion aren't worth a mummer's fart. Therefore, why people get in titanic flame wars about the subject is beyond me.