The Movie Nerd Bible: Part II
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Thanks for including dune i love that so called failure a couple other awesome mainsteam failures are circle of iron (the silent flute)where david carridine stole yet another role from bruce lee. well not really lee had abandoned the project then died, tooko from the good the bad and the ugly was in it and david carradine played 3 roles. also christopher lee was in it too.
now texas chainsaw fanatics will hate me for saying this but texas chainsaw massacre the next generation is a bad texas chainsaw movie but matthew mcconaughey's vilmer was one of the most delightful and quotable villians of all time. the movie is packed with hilariously bad acting and writing but mcconaughey sells it like a pro.
anyone thats loves watching dune should check those two out. if you're one of those snooty types that can't appretiate a "bad" movie don't bother
now texas chainsaw fanatics will hate me for saying this but texas chainsaw massacre the next generation is a bad texas chainsaw movie but matthew mcconaughey's vilmer was one of the most delightful and quotable villians of all time. the movie is packed with hilariously bad acting and writing but mcconaughey sells it like a pro.
anyone thats loves watching dune should check those two out. if you're one of those snooty types that can't appretiate a "bad" movie don't bother
I got to see Big Trouble in Little China on the big screen again recently, and it is still awesome.
One of film's first big genres was the Western, which had been a cornerstone of American pop culture since the dime novels of the late 1800s. The pulp tales and serials of the 30s, 40s and 50s weren't "legitimized" by Hollywood standards until Lucas and Spielberg started making films in the late 70s/early 80s.
Now we're getting decent comic book movies 30-40 years after the Silver Age. So while I may agree with you many of the films on this list were commercial flops or dismissed as hokey comedies, I'd argue the fans who enjoyed them as kids are writing and directing successful genre films in Hollywood today.
We're about 15 years away from when the original PlayStation mainstreamed gaming as a hobby for adolescents and young adults (as opposed to stuff for geeks and children). I'm guessing in 5-10 years we'll finally see that awesome film that legitimizes video game movies as a genre.
I think the recent string of (mostly) successful comic book movies, starting with X-Men in 1999, is a good indicator that the movie industry will--with rare exceptions--not do justice to a genre until the actual fans who grew up on that genre are making the movies.ahpuch said:
One of film's first big genres was the Western, which had been a cornerstone of American pop culture since the dime novels of the late 1800s. The pulp tales and serials of the 30s, 40s and 50s weren't "legitimized" by Hollywood standards until Lucas and Spielberg started making films in the late 70s/early 80s.
Now we're getting decent comic book movies 30-40 years after the Silver Age. So while I may agree with you many of the films on this list were commercial flops or dismissed as hokey comedies, I'd argue the fans who enjoyed them as kids are writing and directing successful genre films in Hollywood today.
We're about 15 years away from when the original PlayStation mainstreamed gaming as a hobby for adolescents and young adults (as opposed to stuff for geeks and children). I'm guessing in 5-10 years we'll finally see that awesome film that legitimizes video game movies as a genre.
I don't think either version did a good job adapting the book, but Sci-Fi's at least hangs together better as a movie.Blue-State said:
One thing I appreciate both versions of Dune for: some of the most creative costume designs of any sci-fi movie. Most other SF films seem to go overly utilitarian or overly hokey with their costuming, but the Dune productions are still great depictions of corrupt space feudalism brushing up against noble space Saracens. The only film that beats them in this category is The Fifth Element.
I know you said that you had to leave some things out, and that's cool. I feel that both The Excorcist, and The Thing (80's version) are both worthy mentionables. Even though The Thing stole a page from Alien in it's mood & context.MovieBob said:
Sci Fi's version was great... except for the costume design. If you were to take the costumes from the movie and put it on the Sci Fi channel version, I would've been much happier. The terrible costumes honestly distracted me from the actual storyline. And I'm a rabid dune fan (own every single Dune book except 1 atm). So sadpanda. In fact, I found Children of Dune much better than Dune simply because of the costumes not being so damn FLAMBOYANT.Blue-State said:
OT: Total Recall! I mean, c'mon! But total yay for Big Trouble In Little China. I just bought that in the bargain bin for like a buck lol. Best deal ever!
This this this! The Harkonenns in the tv mini series were just.....wrong. Meh. Watered down villains. Not enough venom and spite!Batsamaritan said:
I have to echo the sentiments about the Terminator-- the first one, at least, if not both.
That said, I was deeply gratified to see Big Trouble in Little China on there-- I still quote that movie often.
"Terrific, a six-demon bag. Sensational. What's in it, Egg?"
"Wind, fire, all that kind of thing!"
And I know that we tend to remember the recent past better, but still, you should've had some post-2000 films in there, Bob.
Oh, and bonus points for people- like myself- who actually have seen the Alan Smithee version of Dune...
That said, I was deeply gratified to see Big Trouble in Little China on there-- I still quote that movie often.
"Terrific, a six-demon bag. Sensational. What's in it, Egg?"
"Wind, fire, all that kind of thing!"
And I know that we tend to remember the recent past better, but still, you should've had some post-2000 films in there, Bob.
Oh, and bonus points for people- like myself- who actually have seen the Alan Smithee version of Dune...
honestly, i'd put IV ahead of III, because at least Voyage Home works as a comedy, whether that was intentional or not.Batsamaritan said:
but you're right Bob, III and IV were so much better, not to mention higher concept than Abrams Trek. you know, as much as i love Simon Pegg, he kept going for the "take this character seriously route" from Khan as opposed to the hilarious "clumsy fat fuckwit" version of Scotty from III and IV. and Abrams Trek needed more Klingon Space Rottweilers.
seriously though, if your intention is to contrast "good Trek" against Abrams Trek, next time try not to pick one of the worst or the lot next to the TNG movies(III) and the fucking self-parody entry(IV). it's like bitching that Amelie is racist naive tripe and then citing Twilight as a bastion of cultural understanding and depth. even if your first argument had merit, you've destroyed that merit utterly with your follow-up.
Really he should have just put one entry for the John Carpenter films from '76-92, now considering i have seen everything on this list and the vast majority of the previous list i should think that qualifies me as a movie geek and John Carpenter was really the first director i became aware of as a kid, thats gotta count for something, right?Ne1butme said:
Dune? Really? You're encouraging people to seek this movie out? If you can handle the hate mail, go ahead, I guess.
Otherwise, I'm kind of surprised (and a little proud) to say that I've actually seen every movie on the list.
I already own most of them, but I wish Lucas would re-release pre-s.e. Star Wars on DVD or BluRay... I refuse to buy the s.e. when I've got pre-s.e. on VHS, but it really is starting to look like hell after so many viewings. It's pretty much the only reason I still own a VHS player, though. That and Crazy People.
Otherwise, I'm kind of surprised (and a little proud) to say that I've actually seen every movie on the list.
I already own most of them, but I wish Lucas would re-release pre-s.e. Star Wars on DVD or BluRay... I refuse to buy the s.e. when I've got pre-s.e. on VHS, but it really is starting to look like hell after so many viewings. It's pretty much the only reason I still own a VHS player, though. That and Crazy People.
For Star Trek..you missed "The Undiscovered Country" ...Christopher Plummer bringing in some Shakespeare - a brilliant mixing and after the wrath of khan - easily the most brilliant and bold of the movies.
As for Labyrinth...
"One of the scandalously few geek classics that approaches the "fear of growing up" fantasy/allegory subgenre from the female side. After accidentally wishing away her baby brother, Jennifer Connelly must navigate a monster-infested maze to save him from goblin king Jareth - aka David Bowie. Everything from the recurrent themes of maternal obligation to the implicit sexualization of the heroine/villain dynamic is wholly unique in the genre, and it's both amazing and depressing that there hasn't really been a film since to so well explore what it is to be both a nerd and a young woman."
Perhaps this explains why this movie is SOOOOOOOOOO boring.
Yes, I am a plebe.
As for Labyrinth...
"One of the scandalously few geek classics that approaches the "fear of growing up" fantasy/allegory subgenre from the female side. After accidentally wishing away her baby brother, Jennifer Connelly must navigate a monster-infested maze to save him from goblin king Jareth - aka David Bowie. Everything from the recurrent themes of maternal obligation to the implicit sexualization of the heroine/villain dynamic is wholly unique in the genre, and it's both amazing and depressing that there hasn't really been a film since to so well explore what it is to be both a nerd and a young woman."
Perhaps this explains why this movie is SOOOOOOOOOO boring.
Yes, I am a plebe.
.......are we leaving out the 90's? As a kid of the nineties (3-13) i'd like to say that decade and it's products set the stage for the geek i am today. Is there a part 3 or are we just gonna skip 1990-2010 because you would have to put all of the matrix trilogy and star wars episode 1-3 in there and that sticks in your throat. god knows you'd make up for it with every pixar movie ever released.
sorry i'm getting ahead of myself thses are movies that we should see and probably haven't and as geeks now we've seen most of the 90's movies.
sorry i'm getting ahead of myself thses are movies that we should see and probably haven't and as geeks now we've seen most of the 90's movies.