don't forget the rain forests too. I really want it to be in Elswyr as well, it would be very interesting to see all the types of Khajiit and to ride Khajiit mounts(yes Khajiit ride other Khajiit).bartholen said:
The next Elder scrolls game will be very different.
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AI will stop sucking, because AI is really computationally expensive and for pretty much every elder scrolls game and both the modern fallouts they've had to make all sorts of trade-offs between intelligence and the number of people on screen to make it work. You know that big wall right in the middle of New Vegas? Probably partly because there were so many people around who needed AI
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I want the ultimate fantasy game, with interesting things to see and people to meet, locales to explore, secrets to find and hardships to endure. I wanna game that will be brutal but rewarding.
Improved Combat
make combat have more depth.Make it so you can shield bash, disarm opponents, and block attacks by turning your blade at a certain angle, and dodge out of the way of attacks as well as use the terrain ( If your being pushed into a wall and you have high athletics, then you could wall run over your opponent). Also, it would be cool if you could damage certain body parts by cutting off someones arm or smashing someones kneecap in with a war hammer. Finally, it would be cool if they had an "Arts" system, where you choose a particular combat style by studying under a master and then you get bonuses for using that style ( The Way of the Dual Wield Swordsmen would get an animation change to fit a unique style, and also get a boost for swiftness of attacks, but at the same time, to get the full benefits, you must adhere to a rule or something ( Maybe never using your swords to kill a women or Not wearing Heavy Armour) Studying under masters net you the ability to use the art, as well as continuous training under the master will increase its effectiveness.
More Weapons and Loot
Skyrim I felt lacked in that regard. it had beautiful items, but a bit to few. They should make the load out set look like this: Helmet, Cuirass, Left Guantlet, Right Gauntlet, Grieves, Pants, 2 Rings, and a Accessory ( Like Capes, Feathers, A Skirt, something to add more flair. They should also make more types of Armour types ( Copper, Gold, stuff like that), as well as make the most powerful Armour types more rare ( You'd only find something Daedric if you REALLY search for it.) Also, more weapon types. Crossbows, Spears, Flails, Maybe Muskets, Chakrams, Battle Staffs.
Magic
They should give magic a more mystic feel. Make it feel like some powerful unstable force rather than another game play type. I want magic to feel like a character could just stick to one School of magic and still be able to kick ass. ( Like an Illusionist can turn invisible, Give People Nightmares, Puppeteer people for a short period of time, Make people go insane or even make people kill themselves. A Destruction Mage can focus on Area of Effect Spells that Destroy the most powerful opponents or he could focus on being a quick shot that incinerate people before they can draw their weapons. A Downside is that the Spells can fail or backfire, as well as producing an opposite effect maybe at random. Rather than just learning better spells later, it would be cool if you could just keep practicing the use of the spell to make it stronger and less likely to fail. This would mean less Fortify XXX bullshit spells that no one uses as well as give people the idea that they are a strange ability. Also, Levitation, Transmuting, as wel as more summons and elements to use ( Water, Earth, Crystals?). Finally, it would be cool if you could enchant items to have particular abilities ( Like A Sword enchanted with Lighting could create a giant blast of thunder. A Flute you enchanted with Sleep will make all the people around you go to sleep.
Leveling
I don't really like Level Scaling, so it would be ok if they put you in the area with lesser creatures, but at the same time you could run into a Level 3000 Daedric Mage that would kill you before you even got close. Hell, you could even make up stories like A powerful monster lurks through these woods at night, don't go out! make the lore centric and antagonist All powerful, while making Normal Bandits and Goblins there too. It would be an awesome feeling after coming so far, and defeating such a powerful opponent rather than just beating everything at level 1. Also, rather than just level grinding ( So much for Level Scaling, remember), it would be awesome if you could defeat opponents by utilizing a weakness or using your ability to outsmart them ( Something akin to how the people in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Fight) Example: You and your party are fighting an all powerful mage who can enchant the floor with deadly destruction magic. He is also immune to all attacks aimed at himself. SO in order to defeat him, you would have to levitate, throw your sword, Arrow, or Magic spell to an ally or a mirror or whatever, and deflect it off them or it, and use it to hit the enemy. I really wish this was in a game.
Quest and Lore, Gameplay, Misc.
Make fewer companions ( Maybe 2-3 in every faction), but improve their AI( Not only could you tell them to use certain skills, but they would be smart enough to hold their own, heal themselves and party members, defend the mages in a group, offer support for double team attacks, figure out the weaknesses of enemies, etc.), and give them their own quests,Personality, Thoughts on particular events that happened in the world or recently, as well as offering ways of improving their abilities. They should each also have a unique voice for them. ( Something akin to Bioware.) They could also be used for team up attacks. ( A companions grasp an enemy, and then you finished it off by cutting your sword through it. So yea, make them more like Vilja.
Also, if a war is to happen, make the battles bigger ( 5 people? Seriously?). Tyranniconn has the righht idea. Also, bigger, Fiercer monster types ( Stuff like Griffins, Hydras, Giant monsters would be cool two. More mount types can also be cool.
Also, they did say the Elder Scrolls we're more a realistic fantasy, but they should really increase the fantasy in the games. Wizards teleporting around the towns, Daedras serving tea and cookies to restaurant customers, A town at the bottom of an ocean, A Tribe of Skooma drinkers with the ability to levitate. Skyrim was epic, but I found it a bit to realistic for a fantasy game.
There should be more in depth factions. The 4 dominating Factions are The Mages Guild, The Fighter's Guild, The Thieves Guild, and the Dark brotherhood. But it would be really cool if you have like sects or mini guilds in each faction ( The Fighters guild could have a sect in some town that are known for hunting down Warlords. Another town might be known for Monster Hunting. In the Mages Guild, there could be a sect that specializes in a particular Spell or have some gimmick that helps them differentiate.
The AI is for the most part ok in towns, but needs improvement. It would be nice to see NPCs rushing when it begins to rain, or Laugh when they see something funny. Random attacks on towns would cause all the NPCs to run in terror, and if you help them, they would remeber you. ( Defending a young boy from a Daedra will make him like you, even though fighting the Daedra was never part of a quest.)
In terms of Quest and content size, it would be cool if they allowed you to explore 3 provinces at a time, maybe each made by a different team. There would be about 50 Quest lines( Every Major city would have a Quest line associated with it, Every Guild, etc.) and then random quest
So making my dream game would be quite an undertaking. Skyrim still a preety good game though.
I want the ultimate fantasy game, with interesting things to see and people to meet, locales to explore, secrets to find and hardships to endure. I wanna game that will be brutal but rewarding.
Improved Combat
make combat have more depth.Make it so you can shield bash, disarm opponents, and block attacks by turning your blade at a certain angle, and dodge out of the way of attacks as well as use the terrain ( If your being pushed into a wall and you have high athletics, then you could wall run over your opponent). Also, it would be cool if you could damage certain body parts by cutting off someones arm or smashing someones kneecap in with a war hammer. Finally, it would be cool if they had an "Arts" system, where you choose a particular combat style by studying under a master and then you get bonuses for using that style ( The Way of the Dual Wield Swordsmen would get an animation change to fit a unique style, and also get a boost for swiftness of attacks, but at the same time, to get the full benefits, you must adhere to a rule or something ( Maybe never using your swords to kill a women or Not wearing Heavy Armour) Studying under masters net you the ability to use the art, as well as continuous training under the master will increase its effectiveness.
More Weapons and Loot
Skyrim I felt lacked in that regard. it had beautiful items, but a bit to few. They should make the load out set look like this: Helmet, Cuirass, Left Guantlet, Right Gauntlet, Grieves, Pants, 2 Rings, and a Accessory ( Like Capes, Feathers, A Skirt, something to add more flair. They should also make more types of Armour types ( Copper, Gold, stuff like that), as well as make the most powerful Armour types more rare ( You'd only find something Daedric if you REALLY search for it.) Also, more weapon types. Crossbows, Spears, Flails, Maybe Muskets, Chakrams, Battle Staffs.
Magic
They should give magic a more mystic feel. Make it feel like some powerful unstable force rather than another game play type. I want magic to feel like a character could just stick to one School of magic and still be able to kick ass. ( Like an Illusionist can turn invisible, Give People Nightmares, Puppeteer people for a short period of time, Make people go insane or even make people kill themselves. A Destruction Mage can focus on Area of Effect Spells that Destroy the most powerful opponents or he could focus on being a quick shot that incinerate people before they can draw their weapons. A Downside is that the Spells can fail or backfire, as well as producing an opposite effect maybe at random. Rather than just learning better spells later, it would be cool if you could just keep practicing the use of the spell to make it stronger and less likely to fail. This would mean less Fortify XXX bullshit spells that no one uses as well as give people the idea that they are a strange ability. Also, Levitation, Transmuting, as wel as more summons and elements to use ( Water, Earth, Crystals?). Finally, it would be cool if you could enchant items to have particular abilities ( Like A Sword enchanted with Lighting could create a giant blast of thunder. A Flute you enchanted with Sleep will make all the people around you go to sleep.
Leveling
I don't really like Level Scaling, so it would be ok if they put you in the area with lesser creatures, but at the same time you could run into a Level 3000 Daedric Mage that would kill you before you even got close. Hell, you could even make up stories like A powerful monster lurks through these woods at night, don't go out! make the lore centric and antagonist All powerful, while making Normal Bandits and Goblins there too. It would be an awesome feeling after coming so far, and defeating such a powerful opponent rather than just beating everything at level 1. Also, rather than just level grinding ( So much for Level Scaling, remember), it would be awesome if you could defeat opponents by utilizing a weakness or using your ability to outsmart them ( Something akin to how the people in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Fight) Example: You and your party are fighting an all powerful mage who can enchant the floor with deadly destruction magic. He is also immune to all attacks aimed at himself. SO in order to defeat him, you would have to levitate, throw your sword, Arrow, or Magic spell to an ally or a mirror or whatever, and deflect it off them or it, and use it to hit the enemy. I really wish this was in a game.
Quest and Lore, Gameplay, Misc.
Make fewer companions ( Maybe 2-3 in every faction), but improve their AI( Not only could you tell them to use certain skills, but they would be smart enough to hold their own, heal themselves and party members, defend the mages in a group, offer support for double team attacks, figure out the weaknesses of enemies, etc.), and give them their own quests,Personality, Thoughts on particular events that happened in the world or recently, as well as offering ways of improving their abilities. They should each also have a unique voice for them. ( Something akin to Bioware.) They could also be used for team up attacks. ( A companions grasp an enemy, and then you finished it off by cutting your sword through it. So yea, make them more like Vilja.
Also, if a war is to happen, make the battles bigger ( 5 people? Seriously?). Tyranniconn has the righht idea. Also, bigger, Fiercer monster types ( Stuff like Griffins, Hydras, Giant monsters would be cool two. More mount types can also be cool.
Also, they did say the Elder Scrolls we're more a realistic fantasy, but they should really increase the fantasy in the games. Wizards teleporting around the towns, Daedras serving tea and cookies to restaurant customers, A town at the bottom of an ocean, A Tribe of Skooma drinkers with the ability to levitate. Skyrim was epic, but I found it a bit to realistic for a fantasy game.
There should be more in depth factions. The 4 dominating Factions are The Mages Guild, The Fighter's Guild, The Thieves Guild, and the Dark brotherhood. But it would be really cool if you have like sects or mini guilds in each faction ( The Fighters guild could have a sect in some town that are known for hunting down Warlords. Another town might be known for Monster Hunting. In the Mages Guild, there could be a sect that specializes in a particular Spell or have some gimmick that helps them differentiate.
The AI is for the most part ok in towns, but needs improvement. It would be nice to see NPCs rushing when it begins to rain, or Laugh when they see something funny. Random attacks on towns would cause all the NPCs to run in terror, and if you help them, they would remeber you. ( Defending a young boy from a Daedra will make him like you, even though fighting the Daedra was never part of a quest.)
In terms of Quest and content size, it would be cool if they allowed you to explore 3 provinces at a time, maybe each made by a different team. There would be about 50 Quest lines( Every Major city would have a Quest line associated with it, Every Guild, etc.) and then random quest
So making my dream game would be quite an undertaking. Skyrim still a preety good game though.
There's this game called GTA, it's like really violent and stuff, there was some stuff in the newspaper about it last week or something?Innocent Flower said:
You have been gaming for longer than Skyrim has been out, yes? I know graphics are going to get /better/ but acting as if that's the easiest thing a game could get banned for is a bit crap. But then this whole thread is completely superfluous and wild guessing. I was playing Metal Gear Rising yesterday, you know what I did? I cut a guys legs off, to the point where he was dragging his dismembered body along the floor, crying and screaming for help, then cut his arms off, gutted him and pulled out his spine. Grandma cowering in fear? Hah hah...no.
Bloviating huh..BloatedGuppy said:
OT: I'm a sucker for pretty games. Having said that, if TES games keep a gate wide open for modders in the future too, I'd be glad to spend more money on their products. Frankly I'm really impressed at the number of great mods that are still coming out for Skyrim. Too bad I don't have the time to start a new playthrough =/
What you are describing has been a steady trend in TES games since their inception. Go back and play Morrowind if you don't believe me. That game had so much different stuff in it, it was crazy. You fought everything from jumping acid spitting worms to giant flying jellyfish to ancient robots to pterodactyls to something called a "nix hound", its all astounding really. It seems like Bethesda has been sacrificing content for visuals for almost 20 years now, albeit it was sort of necessary at first, since Area/Daggerfall's UI and GUI were a complete mess.Innocent Flower said:
I think the main issue I have always had with the likes of Oblivion (the first TES game I ever played), Fallout 3 and Skyrim is a lack of depth/immersion.
I remember the first character I made (I've made 3 I think - the first 2 had to be deleted because of bugs and constant fucking crashes of the game) went to a town, met the Jarl, did some quests and became a Thane. Sweet I thought. Then I travelled around and found another person with the same voice as the Jarl. Furry muff, I don't expect them to have thousands of voice actors doing work in the game. However as time went on, more and more voices became recognisable and if I'm honest, a bit confusing.
Despite the gorgeous environs (particularly with graphical mods) the world seems pretty empty; you'll face the same enemies and fauna over and over again.
*shrug*
These are just a few things I've been pondering since playing with the 3rd character; perhaps I'm getting jaded or something.
I remember the first character I made (I've made 3 I think - the first 2 had to be deleted because of bugs and constant fucking crashes of the game) went to a town, met the Jarl, did some quests and became a Thane. Sweet I thought. Then I travelled around and found another person with the same voice as the Jarl. Furry muff, I don't expect them to have thousands of voice actors doing work in the game. However as time went on, more and more voices became recognisable and if I'm honest, a bit confusing.
Despite the gorgeous environs (particularly with graphical mods) the world seems pretty empty; you'll face the same enemies and fauna over and over again.
*shrug*
These are just a few things I've been pondering since playing with the 3rd character; perhaps I'm getting jaded or something.
Fun fact,as I'm sure you know, Fallout 1 and 2 were published and developed by a now defunct company called Interplay. The cool part is that after Interplay went under, the team that made Fallout 2 and most of the fallout lore in general, Black Isle Studios, went on to form their own company, Obsidian Entertainment. A few years after this, during Bethesda's great Odin sleep between TES games, they purchased the rights to the fallout series, and after they had their turn playing dress up with it, they got Obsidian to develop FO:NV, which is why New Vegas feels more like a fallout game.NooNameLeft said:
while I did like fallout 3 compared to Fallout NV I sort of agreeAkratus said:
that and all that "bethesda" bullshit it more aparent upon a second look at F03
I have low expectations if bethesda made fallout 4...HOWEVER (and I am in the minority here I admit) at least in FO3's case they actually gave the player charachter compelling motivation to go out and search the wasteland
Uh...Innocent Flower said:
Yeah.
All of the above points are silly and badly thought out.
-Ever heard of Martigen's Monster/Mutant Mod? It was a mod for Elder Scrolls/Fallout that not only improved the visuals of the enemy creatures, but added new AI and behavior patterns, variation among the the same species, and entirely new species with the same upgrades. I have no idea how you concluded that better graphics = worse variation.
-Graphics have NO bearing on insta-chugging or insta-swapping. The instant drinking/changing had exactly the same effect in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim: Virtually none. In fact, it had exactly the same effect as the character in Fallout 1/2 making an "I'm doing something" motion before switching clothes or eating something (still virtually none). When Far Cry 2 made me watch my character perform first aid on himself, it was a really cool moment, but it didn't ruin other games not doing the same.
-Better death/scare animations won't cause a stir in today's day and age.
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All in all, I don't know how you figure the next one will either be a masterpiece or a total wreck just because better graphics.
To be honest, I already feel they dropped the ball with Skyrim. The combat is better than previous games, but they really fucked up the lore and RPG-elements, in my opinion.
ThisVault101 said:
Did anyone else notice how odd the Dark Brotherhood was?
You hear rumors about an abandoned house that has weird noises coming from it so you check it out and you find what appears to be some crazy kid either cannibalizing his newly murdered family or trying to summon Satan. Either way, its freaking awesome and sets up the mood really well. Then he asks you to go kill his abusive orphanage headmistress, which is awesome, its gives us motivation for the quest and gives us backstory on why. Then, apparently the kid preformed the Black Sacrament correctly, and you just scabbed the Dark Brotherhood's job and flicked off their god, so they decide to send you a letter that just has "We know" written on it. Oh man, now YOU'RE caught up in this whole mess and have to fix it some how. So far this is my favorite Dark Brotherhood/Assassin's guild of the entire series. Then, the stupid.
The next time you sleep after getting the letter, you get kidnapped and wake up in a shack in the middle of no where. Wait, what? How? I was wearing full plate armor! You expect me to believe that one woman picked me and all my stuff up while I was asleep and carried me across the country without waking me up or altering anyone? I thought they were just gonna try and murder me in my sleep what the hell's this crap? Now she's saying that she's GLAD I did the murder...what...that's some crazy thematic whiplash. And now she wants you to kill one of the 3 random people who are tied up about 5 feet from you to prove you loyalty? Lady, right now I'd do anything if I thought it would prevent you from killing me, so this is really a poor measure of my loyalty. And why? Didn't I prove my willingness to kill when I murdered someone who took care of ORPHANS, I mean come on, she was a ***** but she kept them dry and fed.
K now I'm gonna do one actual assassination. And...did the Night Mother just make me the listener? Already? Ok, whatever. Now you want me to go dungeon dive? Isn't this the Assassin's guild? Whatev-Now you want me to assassinate the emperor? I've done one real assassination up till this point what the hell! And then every other mission from here on out involves you setting up the emperor assassination. Thats just so...I need a beer.
immovablemover said:
Oh, you mean like this?Innocent Flower said:
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No one called for Clock Tower 3's ban, either.
My request is simple:
I want more diversity.
More weapons, more dialogue options, different enemies (not just Bandit/Dragur/Falmer depending on how deep inside a cave you are) More diverse quests that make sense (no more follow the arrow to a cave located halfway across the world for absolutely no reason) more unique fantasy style locations and more characters, settlements, houses, followers etc. would be nice.
Also I'd like to see a main quest that wasn't requiring you to go somewhere immediately because of extremely high stakes, that just made it weird when I would decide not to run to the earth-destroying problem apparently unfolding right this second and instead wonder off to some village to run errands for the peasants.
Having a constant pressure of dragons have returned you must complete this task AT ONCE or they will destroy the land! really killed the mood when your character would have to forgo that crucial mission to goof off up a mountain somewhere.
I want more diversity.
More weapons, more dialogue options, different enemies (not just Bandit/Dragur/Falmer depending on how deep inside a cave you are) More diverse quests that make sense (no more follow the arrow to a cave located halfway across the world for absolutely no reason) more unique fantasy style locations and more characters, settlements, houses, followers etc. would be nice.
Also I'd like to see a main quest that wasn't requiring you to go somewhere immediately because of extremely high stakes, that just made it weird when I would decide not to run to the earth-destroying problem apparently unfolding right this second and instead wonder off to some village to run errands for the peasants.
Having a constant pressure of dragons have returned you must complete this task AT ONCE or they will destroy the land! really killed the mood when your character would have to forgo that crucial mission to goof off up a mountain somewhere.
its like the contet for most things is "because I'm in an RPG"Cpt. Lozan said:
in FO3 as soon as you reach megaton (most of the time right after your kicked out of the vault) people start handing out quests like fliers....even when it makes absolutly no sense to do so [i/]because your charachter hasnt even seen the sky for more than 20 minutes[/i]
Moira brown explicitly states that you have more wasteland expereince than her....(shes never left the shack?) now granted it makes more sense if you do thease things after youve levels up/explored more, but theres nothing stoping you from doing them straight out the vault
Pretty much all of this. My heart got very excited when I saw the title but became extremely let down once I saw the content of the OP. The guy's talking as if he personally know's Godd Howard....bojackx said: