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Now the console gamers use the "it looks the same as the console version" argument.Charcharo said:Yeah...
I cant understand how people say they cant tell the differences in resolution and frame rates.
Either I am some super-human or they have some problems
I honestly dont know
Thank god digital foundry is around.
I didn't really get this comic. The joke seemed indistinguishable from a an empty black blob.
But then again my blinks usually happen for up to 24 seconds so theres a chance I missed it.
But then again my blinks usually happen for up to 24 seconds so theres a chance I missed it.
Get in line, I willingly capped my FPS at 30 when it was running smoothly at 60 so my computer wouldn't heat up so much.erttheking said:
And I didn't even care
Reminds me of when my audiophile roommate threatened to take back the stereo he had sold me (when he upgraded) when he walked into my room, realized within seconds that one of the speakers had become unplugged, and then realized to his horror that this had probably happened weeks ago, and I just hadn't noticed.CaitSeith said:
It was obvious to him that I didn't deserve a nice (second-hand) stereo (which I probably didn't).
That's something i noticed too. I feel 60 or even 120fps on someone else's screen looks so smooooooooth but i can't really tell the diffrence when i'm playing myself. Maybe because im too focused on actually playing?Naqel said:
No, it was more of a response to GTA being brand new to the PC and they released a superior version of it that does 60FPS which has gotten some controversy. For example if you happen to look at STEAM they have the "60 FPS trailer" to show how much better the game looks on PC.dangoball said:
As far as being able to endure 20fps, it depends on the game and what I'm doing with it. In some games I've played (and still play) there is like 0 FPS since it's all pretty much static images.
I don't think any ill will was intended towards GTAV at all, only those who claim it doesn't look any better on PC with double the frame rate that it had on consoles.
It's not whether or not you can detect 60fps, it's whether or not you care. I admit I like 60fps, I just don't really notice it most of the time. If my framerate starts dropping, I figured out I don't care unless it goes below 20. At that point, things get dodgy, and I go into the options menu to change some settings (or look down and wait for it to pass).
...Man, I'd kill for 60 FPS in DOTA... But a buggy internet connection leaves me at 100 ping at best, 450 ping at worst. No packet loss, just sloooooooow and really jerky at times. Playing initiator/support sucks just as much as carry if your internet is blown, ladies and gentlemen.
But for Minecraft and more slow-paced games, 30 is just what the doctor ordered. As someone said above, getting deep into a game makes people forget about constant framerates if they're above about 25.
Also, just as an aside, to anybody who "can't stand less than 60 FPS"... how do you watch TV? Or stand a movie at a cinema? I thought most, if not all, broadcast media was released in 24p nowadays, and that a higher framerate is indicative of lower quality work, as that's the demesne of home camcorders.
But for Minecraft and more slow-paced games, 30 is just what the doctor ordered. As someone said above, getting deep into a game makes people forget about constant framerates if they're above about 25.
Also, just as an aside, to anybody who "can't stand less than 60 FPS"... how do you watch TV? Or stand a movie at a cinema? I thought most, if not all, broadcast media was released in 24p nowadays, and that a higher framerate is indicative of lower quality work, as that's the demesne of home camcorders.
The Master Race is strong with this one.
Indeed. Frame rate isn't the be-all and end-all. It's more like spaces between words in a book: a bit jarring, but hardly immersion-breaking. For example, I've played AC 4: Black Flag on Wii U, and I don't mind that it probably isn't even 30fps. As long as I can see Edward leap off a building, jab a redcoat in the throat, and slip into some shrubbery to hide, it's fine.Caramel Frappe said:
I prefer 60fps whenever I can get it, and fortunately I have a vid card that reliably does it in anything I'm playing these days. Although I'm not sure how some people can't tell the difference, I appreciate there are some who can't, just like I don't appreciate super hi-fidelity audio over a good set of Creative 2.1's.
First time I noticed 60fps in video (real life) was when my dad showed me a video of myself playing drums recorded with both...I realized I could barely tell what was going on in the 30fps version compared to the quicker one where it's was almost surreal, like I was on a drugs or something that heightened my perception and I was in bullet time or someshit. So that "cinematic" excuse = bullshit to me.
I wouldn't say it affects my reflexes though, I think that's a mild exaggeration to tell the truth, but I do prefer the way it looks and can tell the difference, especially in driving games.
First time I noticed 60fps in video (real life) was when my dad showed me a video of myself playing drums recorded with both...I realized I could barely tell what was going on in the 30fps version compared to the quicker one where it's was almost surreal, like I was on a drugs or something that heightened my perception and I was in bullet time or someshit. So that "cinematic" excuse = bullshit to me.
I wouldn't say it affects my reflexes though, I think that's a mild exaggeration to tell the truth, but I do prefer the way it looks and can tell the difference, especially in driving games.
I am detecting some real salt here. Anyone who "can't see" the difference has never played the same game at both. It isn't just in the "Seeing" either, its in the feel.
Basically, it's more that you can't tell the difference but your brain can. It does make things more fluid.Joseph Harrison said:
What's more interesting is that studies have found that higher FPS correlate with video game enjoyability. Strange that something so subtle would impact that.
Now, would I prefer 60 FPS and ok graphics vs 30 FPS and stunning graphics? Stunning graphics every time. Since the two are generally on a slide rule, I'm not unhappy about the current generation's trend. I just hope the next generation can have both.
A lot of people make a big fuss over 30 vs 60 but here's the thing: It often doesn't matter. See, there's a reason why all those comparison videos that 60 FPS fanatics show are always really high speed footage where the camera is whipping around a lot or your character is moving really fast. Stuff like trackmania or that particular brand of super fast, super floaty fps that PC seems to love. And it's because those games actually do require 60 frames to work well. But the majority of console games (And big name pc releases, which often are just console ports, sadly) aren't whipping the camera around constantly or moving at such high speed that 30 vs 60 actually matters.
GTA V for example. I've played it on both console and pc and the only place the 60 fps really makes any noticeable difference is when driving a car at high speeds, or when using the first person mode and shooting. And it's nice there, don't get me wrong, 60 fps is always preferable if you can get it, but it's not really a huge selling point.
Acting like 60fps is REQUIRED for all games to be playable is laughable elitism at best. I mean, would 60 FPS really matter at all in stuff like RTS, Card battle, Turn Based, or Telltale style games?
GTA V for example. I've played it on both console and pc and the only place the 60 fps really makes any noticeable difference is when driving a car at high speeds, or when using the first person mode and shooting. And it's nice there, don't get me wrong, 60 fps is always preferable if you can get it, but it's not really a huge selling point.
Acting like 60fps is REQUIRED for all games to be playable is laughable elitism at best. I mean, would 60 FPS really matter at all in stuff like RTS, Card battle, Turn Based, or Telltale style games?
After reading the comments the consensus is "I can tell the difference, but I don't care" which is met with "If you can't tell the difference you should be burned at the stake while people throw stones at you." I find myself in the first camp. Not every game needs to hit 60 to be good, and there are 60 games that do suck. Can't say it's perfect, but it's nice when it's there. It's not the main part of a good game rather a stepping stone at best.
... I dont notice a difference when playing 30 or 60 fps... I can play both equally since i switch from ps3 to ps4 to pc games constantly during my free time and not once do i notice a difference. Maybe im just special? Concidering in todays world, not being a picky douchebag is special today! XD
Pc snobby elitists will use practically anything to act like they're even an inch worth a speck of dust to hide the fact most of our lives are worthless i reality. Its like, pc gaming is better, were at 60 fps and have 4000pixels and im just like "Oh im sorry, im having the same amount of fun playing this game on a 1080p computer monitor. I played through the entirity of Pillars of eternity on my dads laptop, which ran the game at like, 5 FPS, beat it, loved it, I guess im more tolerable!"
Pc snobby elitists will use practically anything to act like they're even an inch worth a speck of dust to hide the fact most of our lives are worthless i reality. Its like, pc gaming is better, were at 60 fps and have 4000pixels and im just like "Oh im sorry, im having the same amount of fun playing this game on a 1080p computer monitor. I played through the entirity of Pillars of eternity on my dads laptop, which ran the game at like, 5 FPS, beat it, loved it, I guess im more tolerable!"
An unfunny jab at people who don't want the entire medium to be required to run at whatever frame rate a group of individuals deems acceptable.
Why don't we make fun of people who don't like cel-shading and then require cel shading for every title? That'd be about as logical.
Why don't we make fun of people who don't like cel-shading and then require cel shading for every title? That'd be about as logical.