I'll say Roman society was a pretty mixed bag. As great as it was, I'm not sure I would like to have lived in it, or preferred it over the middle ages (discounting the climate changes and epidemics that had nothing to do with the social order). I suspect a strong link between Roman brutality and the rise of Christianity.PhiMed said:I didn't say it had anything to do with social values. You just said that there wasn't progress in one direction or the other in terms of sexual promiscuity, then cited the Romans as a sexually promiscuous society. This seemed to imply to me that Romans were "back", and most of what has come since has been "forward".Fearzone said:That's a complicated question for which I don't have a quick answer, but I don't think the fall of Rome had much to do with social values and much more to do with economic sustainability of military expansionism. The point is, throughout history attitudes on sex span the spectrum from society to society and I doubt anyone could convincingly show any linear "forward" or "backward" direction over time.PhiMed said:Suggesting that the fall of Rome was not kind of a step backwards for society?Fearzone said:Social attitudes around sexual promiscuity and restraint do not progress in one direction but rather cycle back and forth throughout history. Just look at the Romans.
It may have been "forward" in time, but generally speaking, I'd say that everything for about 1600 years after the fall of Rome can safely be considered "back" from Rome in every conceivable fashion other than chronologically.
You are free to contest this, and you're correct that attitudes cycle in the short term, but the long-term trend is that technological advancement and general living standards are correlated positively with loosening attitudes about sex and greater independence for women.
So I call bs on your suggestion that there is no "forwards" or "backwards" regarding sexual attitudes and women's rights.
While empowerment of women I agree is a "forward" trend, I wouldn't equate that with attitudes about sex. I mean, assuming Movie Bob's interpretation of the hidden meanings is valid--who wrote and who is going to read and watch the Twilight books and movies? Shouldn't women be free to enjoy their entertainment, and interpret as they please, and hold what values they do, whatever that may be?