The Problem With Twilight

[Flamezdudes]

You've made me more angry at Twilight, man i wish all the teenage girls in the world would not read and watch this crap. I even know a boy who likes Twilight too.... yeah i know.

 

[Spinozaad]

Interesting points, probably true, but way too over-analytical in my book. The tweens who say 'it's all about love' are as right as you are, in my eyes. It's their tween girl fantasy, and I doubt they'll be that influenced by the message of abstinence and obedience to their husband. Hell, if anything it helps to counter the 'bitches and hoes' attitude so prevalent in popular ""urban"" culture, no?

Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to watch an action movie in which the muscular macho beats up the bad guys, makes some explosions, drives a really awesome car and bangs a hot femme fatale whom he saved at least two times prior to the banging.

 

[bak00777]

i work as a cashier, and everytime i hear some, teenage girl or their middle age mothers(the latter is more common) talk about team edward, team jacob, or other twilight garbage it makes me a lil sick. One time they were talking about the "teams" and i chimed in, "Im on Team Van Helsing" they were not amused.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Social attitudes around sexual promiscuity and restraint do not progress in one direction but rather cycle back and forth throughout history. Just look at the Romans.

Suggesting that the fall of Rome was not kind of a step backwards for society?

Well yes it was, but remember that most of the concept of patriarchy in European culture came from Roman ideals. In fact in ancient Rome the act of sex was regarded as an expression of a man's authority over his female, or other male, partner. So basically in Rome sex was about power (or money) not love.

It was the same in the classical cultures, Roman and Greek, and no, their fall wasn't a step back for humanity; the Greeks killed Socrates, and they nearly killed Aristotle. And the Romans had a class structure even more rigid and restrictive than the Greeks. So good riddance I say.

Uhh... Are you talking culturaly or in the sense of living standards? Because those are two very different things. I am talking more in the sense of living standards, and it was a step back culturally in some ways, at least in Rome a good portion of people were educated, which a hell of a lot more than the Franks could ever claim. But yeah things in terms of sex relations didn't really change any from Rome and afterwards. And the Romans still liked killing a lot, which is actually part of why I like them, as opposed to my squeemish-ass American culture that has to try and censor any god-damn-thing that has people being bonked on the head... That we didn't make that is.

 

[Twinmill5000]

Teams eh? Fuck, those Burger King commercials are kinda sad with the old men being harassed but at least taking it with some humor.

This is a real team [http://www.merchconnectioninc.com/collections/winds-of-plague/products/winds-of-plague-team-plague-shirt].

lol deathmetalsavesthedayagain

EDIT: Ironically, two of the heaviest hitters in my character library are vampires, but that's become a secret that's maybe hinted a couple times to the reader in my stories. Case in point: They're emphasized on being other things before the word vampire gets slipped out.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

i work as a cashier, and everytime i hear some, teenage girl or their middle age mothers(the latter is more common) talk about team edward, team jacob, or other twilight garbage it makes me a lil sick. One time they were talking about the "teams" and i chimed in, "Im on Team Van Helsing" they were not amused.

And my reply in the same situation would be "I'm on team Alucard and he will kill their *****-asses!"

 

[Giest4life]

Uhh... Are you talking culturaly or in the sense of living standards? Because those are two very different things. I am talking more in the sense of living standards, and it was a step back culturally in some ways, at least in Rome a good portion of people were educated, which a hell of a lot more than the Franks could ever claim. But yeah things in terms of sex relations didn't really change any from Rome and afterwards. And the Romans still liked killing a lot, which is actually part of why I like them, as opposed to my squeemish-ass American culture that has to try and censor any god-damn-thing that has people being bonked on the head... That we didn't make that is.

I guess there a few things we could learn from the Greco-Roman cultures, but for the most part, I don't think that would be a pleasant society to live amongst. There is not much that I value in the Greco-Roman culture as being superior to our current standards; we kill a lot more people you know, and sure we are squeamish about it, but we love doing it to an almost maniacal degree.

 

[Peter Pottorff]

My this is one the best pieces of anti-twilight media out there.Also I'm totally with you on that Twilight is totally stupid.

 

[Canid117]

The Problem With Twilight

It's more than just bad moviemaking.

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I don't know if you will see this bob but for some reason I think you should.

http://www.fandango.com/commentator_exclusiveinterview:emtwilightem%E2%80%99sashleygreene_338

 

[Flankhard]

Cut: different opinions and views

Personally I have fate in my female counter parts

Personally, you're a destructively blind useful idiot who will be used as a tool by his female friends against his male friends. Thanks for being honest.

Ouch.
What I meant was that I belive women are able to seperate fiction and fantasy ideals from real life just as we men do. I have never met a woman that tries to adapt to, or even agree with the female ideals that these movies portraits.
It is quite opposite actually. Having serious characters on screen doing and saying silly things that no one would ever do in real life, empowers the audience. It makes them think "Hah! That is not what I would have done. That is not what I would have said". This way they can reenact the scenes in their head with their smarter selfs written in.

Cut: some more different opinions, views and interesting links

Also knowing how to spell. Seriously, flanky, there's typos and there's just not caring. Yeesh.

When you are right, you are right. There is no excuse. It's not normally this bad though

 

[Grampy_bone]

I feel this is actually a chicken and the egg problem.

Truly, Twilight is complete garbage, but it wouldn't sell if there weren't a market for it. Women don't always admit it, but it's very common for them to be attracted to men who control and dominate them. Stephanie Myer only tapped an audience which was already there, waiting for something like this.

 

[VegetaPrinceofSaiyans]

i work as a cashier, and everytime i hear some, teenage girl or their middle age mothers(the latter is more common) talk about team edward, team jacob, or other twilight garbage it makes me a lil sick. One time they were talking about the "teams" and i chimed in, "Im on Team Van Helsing" they were not amused.

And my reply in the same situation would be "I'm on team Alucard and he will kill their *****-asses!"

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lol i agree 100% All the twatlight fangirls should be sat down in front of a screen and be forced to watch all the episodes + OVA's of Hellsing...I garuntee you that after they see REAL vampires in action, they would realize that twilight is shit


edit: Lol, I just got really pissed when I realized that the bastard who made the vid "shooped" Integra at the end but w/e XD

 

[Nurb]

Invert the genders, and a scene like this in "genre" fiction would've been an important part of your adolescence, too.

I have to admit, at the right age, I'd totally have gone for the reverse. However, boys wanting such a thing as GIRLS fighting over them has been branded bad and "immature" and feircely pounded into our heads through shrill protest and pop-culture sitcoms where the guy is a perma-adolecent dumbfuck who got lucky enough to find a hot, but nagging wife who is intillectually superior to him in every way and is allowed to hit him occasionally.

When there's sexy vampire women or sexualized vampires such as in these books or movies, they use their sex-appeal to lure and kill men. So again, the reverse would be unacceptable; a hunky teenage vampire luring whiney emo-girls to their death? How anti-woman! So girls get the supernatural creatures fighting for their attention and guys get killed for taking interest in a hot teen vamp.

double-standards... what can ya do?

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

MovieBob: Thanks for giving out the 411 on the Twilight series. Now I can discuss it round the campfire without having to sift through all the dross that is the bulk of the series.

 

[MB202]

HO-LY SHIT! I hated Twilight just because of its portrayal of vampires (and werewolves to a lesser extent), but this? Yikes!

 

[historyfend13]

This series does tend to highlight what is wrong with people. Is it all that?...maybe not. But it is still a terribly written series.

 

[SyrusKimono]

Praise The Name of Movie Bob. Seriously this series both book and movie are just irritating. The only reason this retarded movie is getting any buzz is because it parents actually let there kids watch this crap is because it rants on about abstinence. yeah its a nice message wanna hear the bad part half my who read the god awful series wanted a sex scene and instead they started reading vampire smutt books making them the opposite. This this is only popular out of nostalgia and plain human stupidity and to hear someone who has the same views is just comforting.

 

[Mockingjay]

I still say this is a big double standard and overreaction. Women read all kinds of shitty romantic stuff. So what if one of them happens to have vampires and abstinence allegory? Get over it. It wasn't written for you.

This is like a woman complaining that porn is sending the wrong message.

Porn is more than just for men.

 

[PhiMed]

Social attitudes around sexual promiscuity and restraint do not progress in one direction but rather cycle back and forth throughout history. Just look at the Romans.

Suggesting that the fall of Rome was not kind of a step backwards for society?

That's a complicated question for which I don't have a quick answer, but I don't think the fall of Rome had much to do with social values and much more to do with economic sustainability of military expansionism. The point is, throughout history attitudes on sex span the spectrum from society to society and I doubt anyone could convincingly show any linear "forward" or "backward" direction over time.

I didn't say it had anything to do with social values. You just said that there wasn't progress in one direction or the other in terms of sexual promiscuity, then cited the Romans as a sexually promiscuous society. This seemed to imply to me that Romans were "back", and most of what has come since has been "forward".

It may have been "forward" in time, but generally speaking, I'd say that everything for about 1600 years after the fall of Rome can safely be considered "back" from Rome in every conceivable fashion other than chronologically.

You are free to contest this, and you're correct that attitudes cycle in the short term, but the long-term trend is that technological advancement and general living standards are correlated positively with loosening attitudes about sex and greater independence for women.

So I call bs on your suggestion that there is no "forwards" or "backwards" regarding sexual attitudes and women's rights.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

i work as a cashier, and everytime i hear some, teenage girl or their middle age mothers(the latter is more common) talk about team edward, team jacob, or other twilight garbage it makes me a lil sick. One time they were talking about the "teams" and i chimed in, "Im on Team Van Helsing" they were not amused.

Be careful. Some of the Twitards are insanely defensive about their pr0n.