The Wii's life is almost over, what are your concluding thoughts?
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No its exclusives pretty much sucked.
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I think it is pretty much the console version of Mario. It sucked but people bought it because it had Nintendos name on and they worship the ground Nintendo works on despite them barely changing anything in their games before releasing it as a sequel.
Super smash brothers was all right but again, not much different from the other two. The rest of the games either sucked or were good for a few minutes before you got over them because Nintendo relies of gimmicks rather then quality.
I can't think of a single game on the Wii or made by Nintendo ever that would top Minecraft, Bastion or Terraria yet they still manage to charge full prices for the same game the released years ago with updated graphics and two extra mushrooms.
Mine is wasted potential.
Metroid Prime 3 is amazing. I have Skyward Sword sitting on the waiting list after I kick off a few RPGs. Okami is amazing, though it was a PS2 game first. I want to see the original filter that the game had. It's inferior in that regard, but it's not that important. There's nothing else I have that's worth playing on it.
SSBB is broken online and honestly doesn't feel as solid as Melee (tripping?). Animal Crossing was fun for a good while, but I couldn't keep it up. Borrowed Super Mario Galaxy and loved it. I wanted Paper Mario, Muramasa, and a couple things from Virtual Console but never got them.
The motion controls worked for Metroid and I expect them to for Skyward Sword. They were acceptable for Okami. I didn't care much either way about the hardware specs, but I feel that games ported onto the Wii were inferior to their PS360 counterparts because of tacked on motion controls and/or simplification of the game because the machine couldn't handle it.
Metroid Prime 3 is amazing. I have Skyward Sword sitting on the waiting list after I kick off a few RPGs. Okami is amazing, though it was a PS2 game first. I want to see the original filter that the game had. It's inferior in that regard, but it's not that important. There's nothing else I have that's worth playing on it.
SSBB is broken online and honestly doesn't feel as solid as Melee (tripping?). Animal Crossing was fun for a good while, but I couldn't keep it up. Borrowed Super Mario Galaxy and loved it. I wanted Paper Mario, Muramasa, and a couple things from Virtual Console but never got them.
The motion controls worked for Metroid and I expect them to for Skyward Sword. They were acceptable for Okami. I didn't care much either way about the hardware specs, but I feel that games ported onto the Wii were inferior to their PS360 counterparts because of tacked on motion controls and/or simplification of the game because the machine couldn't handle it.
I thought it was a great idea for a few months, but you know what games I played on it the most? Excite Truck and the original Super Mario Bros.
I stopped using it around the time Mario Kart came out, never bought a single Metroid or Zelda game... I guess I missed the point of owning a Nintendo console. At the end of the day, I preferred my 360, so I got rid of the Wii and never looked back.
Not even going to consider a Wii U.
I stopped using it around the time Mario Kart came out, never bought a single Metroid or Zelda game... I guess I missed the point of owning a Nintendo console. At the end of the day, I preferred my 360, so I got rid of the Wii and never looked back.
Not even going to consider a Wii U.
The difference is that my examples were functional, motion controls at present are frivolous and don't work properly most of the time, that is a truth I have proved empirically with every Wii game I own.Electrogecko said:
I agree with you that they have a place in gaming (I don't think it should be limited to any one method of control and, yes, I'm hoping for some form of VR in my time too) but what I object to is the way they're currently being rammed down our throats.I prefer motion control games that give you the option to turn the motion control off, so that when I want to just lie on the couch and vegetate with a game I can do that.
So, in Ratchet & Clank I could disable the six-axis flight controls and just use the analogue stick. In Metroid Prime 3 though, (and that was a game I loved) if I want to play it, I have to be swinging controllers around, twisting this and pulling that and sometimes I just don't want to do that; it's creating barriers to play. The other objection I have to the Wii in particular is that, as Yahtzee pointed out years ago, it's pretty much limited to swords and guns.
This example will be shaky but try and stay with me on it: When I want to jump in a traditional game, I press X or A and I jump. That's it, no confusions or complications. When I want to jump in WiiFit, however, I have to bend my knees and then jump without my feet leaving the balance board. It's completely counter-intuitive to everything that jumping is. On the other hand: take those occasions in Dead Space when you got covered by those bullshit bugs that killed you in seconds; you furiously tap one button to get them off. That's dumb. If, instead, you used motion controls and waved your hand around like your were wiping them off, that'd be pretty cool.
I think motion controls can be a part of gaming but they shouldn't be the single core element because, with the best will in the world, they're never going to be as accurate as the precision afforded by a traditional controller.
I didnt care for the Wii (mostly because I think motion controls are the bane of my existance...), but I give it props. It dominated the market, that is an inarguable fact. It tapped a market that neither Sony or Microsoft thought to go for, and which really only Facebook and iPhone/iPad games are catering towards.
Course, I have a hard time believing Nintendo could pull that off a second time with the WiiU, but that is a discussion for another time.
Course, I have a hard time believing Nintendo could pull that off a second time with the WiiU, but that is a discussion for another time.
I think it was a waste of time on a dead end branch of gaming technology. Motion control of the kind being employed presently adds more delay between thought and in-game response, which is about as bad of a thing as you can get.
Overall, another satisfactory console from Nintendo.
Though in the first two years or so of its life, the big N did seem to focus more on the mini game collections and tech demos rather than actual quality games. It did make for a rather lackluster beginning, but they recovered from it.
Though in the first two years or so of its life, the big N did seem to focus more on the mini game collections and tech demos rather than actual quality games. It did make for a rather lackluster beginning, but they recovered from it.
Honestly, my thoughts are exactly what I thought of it when I first played one 6 years ago. But we'll go through them in your questions instead.MaxiP62 said:
No. I didn't like it at release and I still don't like it now. Motion control without any physical feedback is inaccurate and not worth the effort for the sort of games I play. I can see the appeal for casual users, but there's nowhere for motion controls as implemented by the Wii to go from there. Moreover, I do feel Nintendo has put themselves in an awkward position. They all but abandoned the core gamers so they and third parties could pursue casual gamers. That's all well and good when you're the only game in town. Now the casual market includes smartphones, tablets, facebook games, and anything else I'm forgetting here. They don't just have competition now, they have a saturated market. Which begs the question of what they should do? Continue to pursue a casual market that has no loyalty to them and is spoiled for choice, or try to get the core gamers they hung out to dry back and compete directly with Sony and Microsoft again. They're lucky they have plenty of cash because I think they've forced themselves into a position where things are going to get rough.
No, absolutely not. Again, without physical feedback it will never be as accurate, and will definitely never be as fast as other control methods. So where do you go with it? It's fine for more casual titles or party games, but it's utterly not a good choice for anything else where precision and speed matter like an FPS, platformer, fighting game, etc. It opens up very few new possibilities of any interest, and is at best complementary to traditional controls. They can certainly co-exist, but motion controls can't become the defacto standard because they simply can't do what traditional inputs do well.
Not at all. Honestly, many of my favourite games are PS2 era and earlier. Good specs are nice. They can open up possibilities for truly revolutionary stuff and new gameplay (like sandbox games as one example), but I also recognize that games using the best technology are getting prohibitively expensive and harder to develop for all but the largest triple A teams. Very few companies can afford to pursue AAA development and do it well. Having cheaper options for developer and consumer is good for the industry, and in time, the higher end stuff can filter down to the smaller developers as technology continues to progress and tools improve.
I honestly can't name many exclusives made by Nintendo which weren't Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time all over again. Usually they weren't as good though. I found both Mario Galaxies rather tedious, I didn't enjoy Twilight Princess at all and actually just stopped playing after a few dungeons because I was so bored. Metroid Other M was pretty terrible, Mario Kart Wii is hands down one of the worst games I've ever played, and I never cared for the first two Smash Bros. games, and Brawl was no different. I haven't really cared for many Nintendo exclusives since the N64 days and most play like they've run out of ideas and are just reliving their greatest hits. There were some decent to good third party exclusives, but they're too few and far between.
My sister bought one not long after release so I was able to play most of the titles that seemed interesting or reviewed well for the first few years. Her fiancee also had a Wii so now she gave hers to my wife since they don't need two. Suffice it to say I've had ready access to one for most of it's life and have given it more than a fair shake and tried quite a few titles.
My opinion is probably pretty obvious by now. It's a system that wasn't made to appeal to me, and unsurprisingly it didn't appeal to me. I also feel like Nintendo went in with one idea to set them apart, made a lot of money from it, but I don't see where they had any clear path to take it. The fact that the WiiU is basically trying to ape tablet technology kind of confirms that for me too.
And the irony is that I'm fully ready to admit that I was fairly excited to see it before release too. I was curious about the new possibilities that motion control could offer just like everyone else. But once I played it I just didn't see any possibilities beyond being a novel way to play more casual games. Sadly, nothing since then has really convinced me otherwise.
The idea was good, but horribly executed. I had major problems getting a good experience when I failed because of the motion control. I don´t think motion control is going to last.
Im one of those guys who grew up in the 80's where Nintendo was the system to have. It was really important in my formative years and remained so up till I became a teenager. As a kid we came up with challenges to our friends. There were even "impossible" feats that we strived to conquer (like in Mega man 2 heat man's level my friend swore it was impossible to get to him without the jet sled power. I proved them wrong). So I think its fair to say Nintendo has a lot of good will built up with me since they provided me with almost 2 decades of gaming awesomeness
I never really played the N64 except for some golden eye and perfect dark. I loved zelda but I didnt even play that past the first hour because I didnt care for the reboot (up until that point Zelda was a group of prequel's or sequels that continued links journey).
It was when I got my PS1 (I was 18 at the time) that I realized that selection is king for me. I like all kinds of different games and having a wide selection really helps to keep a system favorable in my eyes. I lost touch with Nintendo in the years later because they just never seemed to call to me anymore. I stuck with my PS1 and then got my PS2 when I was 19, I think
It would be a few years later that I happened upon a cheap gamecube at a garage sale and I picked it up. Problem was there were so few games for the thing that I enjoyed. I remember smash bros brawl was something I played constantly but more because my friends did and I also really enjoyed Metriod prime (another series I loved but hadnt been touched since the SNES) and I also remember a game called metal storm or something like that where you were a robot in a subterranian robot area, I dont remember much from it besides really enjoying it.
Then the Wii came out and Im really not sure what to say about the lack of games it has. Ive borrowed and rented a ton of wii games but the newest smash bros was lackluster at best and I didnt enjoy the Zelda's at all (again Im still dont care for this constant rebooting rather then a continued hero's journey). The only game that I really liked was Monster hunter 3 and that really had no business being on the Wii because the hardware usually couldnt handle the games graphics. Again, selection is king for me and the Wii just doesnt have it
The Wii has other problems though, the hardware is for a last generation console. Current generation consoles have hardware that's 7 years old but the Wii's isnt even that good. The motion controls were a good idea but without force feedback they are a dead end. As is I think the Wii is not a good system because the motion controls are often crap (especially for the first few years) and there really aren't any games I enjoy on it. It is perhaps the worst system Ive bought this generation but then between my time as a teenager and my early 20's I became a PC gamer so I tend to be disappointed by consoles a lot. Still, for me, I keep thinking of that lack of selection of games I like and honestly I keep questioning why we dont have monster hunter or a similar game on PC or even all the consoles and PC
I never really played the N64 except for some golden eye and perfect dark. I loved zelda but I didnt even play that past the first hour because I didnt care for the reboot (up until that point Zelda was a group of prequel's or sequels that continued links journey).
It was when I got my PS1 (I was 18 at the time) that I realized that selection is king for me. I like all kinds of different games and having a wide selection really helps to keep a system favorable in my eyes. I lost touch with Nintendo in the years later because they just never seemed to call to me anymore. I stuck with my PS1 and then got my PS2 when I was 19, I think
It would be a few years later that I happened upon a cheap gamecube at a garage sale and I picked it up. Problem was there were so few games for the thing that I enjoyed. I remember smash bros brawl was something I played constantly but more because my friends did and I also really enjoyed Metriod prime (another series I loved but hadnt been touched since the SNES) and I also remember a game called metal storm or something like that where you were a robot in a subterranian robot area, I dont remember much from it besides really enjoying it.
Then the Wii came out and Im really not sure what to say about the lack of games it has. Ive borrowed and rented a ton of wii games but the newest smash bros was lackluster at best and I didnt enjoy the Zelda's at all (again Im still dont care for this constant rebooting rather then a continued hero's journey). The only game that I really liked was Monster hunter 3 and that really had no business being on the Wii because the hardware usually couldnt handle the games graphics. Again, selection is king for me and the Wii just doesnt have it
The Wii has other problems though, the hardware is for a last generation console. Current generation consoles have hardware that's 7 years old but the Wii's isnt even that good. The motion controls were a good idea but without force feedback they are a dead end. As is I think the Wii is not a good system because the motion controls are often crap (especially for the first few years) and there really aren't any games I enjoy on it. It is perhaps the worst system Ive bought this generation but then between my time as a teenager and my early 20's I became a PC gamer so I tend to be disappointed by consoles a lot. Still, for me, I keep thinking of that lack of selection of games I like and honestly I keep questioning why we dont have monster hunter or a similar game on PC or even all the consoles and PC
i've loved and grew up with Nintendo almost all my life, playing Mario games when i was like 4 but Wii...i own a Wii...and seriously the only games i have on that damn thing is N64, Snes and Nes games, i rented/borrowed games and all of them sucked terribly for the motion controls. i am so sad i loathed Skyward Sword, its a good game but the bloody motion controls ughk, just give me a GC controller and i'd play that game happily. i tried liking motion controls but for me, its in the way its not immersive what so ever IMO. * sad sigh * i wish they had the option like in Brawl, there's 4 different ways to play that bloody game. if they had that option for every wii game or at least the big title ones they'd get my money again. oh well
I purchased my first console in many years and didn't even use for the majority of its life-cycle because it didn't fit in my luggage.
Not to the Japanese. Product names that require modern writing conventions to express are cool. As is the cheerful, squeeish "ee" sound. Like it or not, larger or not it may be, the West is still perceived as a secondary market.Nomanslander said:
i have one. only got it cause it was cheap. i only have Nintendo games for it too. NSMB, SSBB, LoZTP etc
They promised me motion controls. I got lack of controls. Then they asked an extra $20 a controller to fix it. (but it didn't fix it that well. It sucked me into buying one only to realize it was a trap. Everyone I know owns one. Nobody plays one (expect for younger relatives of these people that are 12 and under).
It was a game cube with motion controls. Sorry if I wanted a new gen console.
It was a game cube with motion controls. Sorry if I wanted a new gen console.
I love the Wii, since it's the only 7th generation game that can be emulated on good PC's. Who knows when Xbox and PS3 games will be emulatable, it probably won't be for quite some time.
It's got some really fun games, like Xenoblade Chronicles, Skyward Sword, and some other gems.
It's got some really fun games, like Xenoblade Chronicles, Skyward Sword, and some other gems.
The Wii wasn't aimed at me. It wans't aimed at anyone in the core market.
Almost any game released upon it which I found even modestly interesting would have worked a lot better on a another format.
The Wii brought more people into gaming, which is fine.
However, it was never in the same league as the PS3 or Xbox.
And it never touched the Xbox or PS3's market, yes, a lot of them sold, but, in terms of game sales? Maybe the occasional success, but, it had nothing of the spread the main consoles do.
Given that console manufacturers earn money from each game sale,I can only really imagine that Sony and Microsoft got a lot more out of this generation than Nintendo did.
All I can really say about the Wii is that it's good that somebody made a console people can use as a stepping stone to get into the more dedicated gaming experiences.
Almost any game released upon it which I found even modestly interesting would have worked a lot better on a another format.
The Wii brought more people into gaming, which is fine.
However, it was never in the same league as the PS3 or Xbox.
And it never touched the Xbox or PS3's market, yes, a lot of them sold, but, in terms of game sales? Maybe the occasional success, but, it had nothing of the spread the main consoles do.
Given that console manufacturers earn money from each game sale,I can only really imagine that Sony and Microsoft got a lot more out of this generation than Nintendo did.
All I can really say about the Wii is that it's good that somebody made a console people can use as a stepping stone to get into the more dedicated gaming experiences.