Exactly.Clive Howlitzer said:
Pirates aren't doing the world any favors. Why did DRM come about in the first place? Pirates. So because of these douchebags, normal paying customers have to put up with annoying DRM measures.
The Witcher 2 Pirated "Roughly 4.5 Million" Times, Says Dev
- Thread starter Hevva
- Start date
Pirates aren't doing the world any favors. Why did DRM come about in the first place? Pirates. So because of these douchebags, normal paying customers have to put up with annoying DRM measures.
I love you, CD Projekt. Will you marry me?
And The Witcher 2 was the greatest collector's edition I have ever bought. These guys are awesome and anypony who does pirate their games should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
And The Witcher 2 was the greatest collector's edition I have ever bought. These guys are awesome and anypony who does pirate their games should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
pffff HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, I'm sorry, you were serious.
Really dude? 4.5 to 1??? I think you may be overestimating how many people wanted The Witcher 2.
Though I do agree with what he says about DRM. No matter what you do, people will pirate, so there is no reason to make life harder for the people who don't.
Oh, I'm sorry, you were serious.
Really dude? 4.5 to 1??? I think you may be overestimating how many people wanted The Witcher 2.
Though I do agree with what he says about DRM. No matter what you do, people will pirate, so there is no reason to make life harder for the people who don't.
Excuse me. I had a retard moment. When I clicked on the link to GOG in the article I went to the Witcher 2 and saw this: http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/the_witcher_2Kopikatsu said:
See where it says "buy for $39.99?" My mind put the word "or", which is below, between the price and the download now button. What I saw was "Buy for $39.99" OR Download Now." I know that DRM Free doesn't mean free. I just being derp-lexic.
Unlike most other times, I actually believe these numbers and am greatly saddened by them. I'm a PC gamer at heart, but really, the vast majority of PC gamers are asking for all the things it is getting, like console ports and DRM. Sadly, it's the legal people who have to pay the price. I can't really blame them for doing whatever they can to stop piracy, honestly.
Dear CD Projekt,
I like you guys. So stop making dumb "estimations" on how much you think the game was pirated. Torrent downloads do not equate to a lost sale. Especially when the game has no demo, and didn't have a global release initially. I'm glad you're staying off the DRM, just don't foster ill will with comments like these.
I like you guys. So stop making dumb "estimations" on how much you think the game was pirated. Torrent downloads do not equate to a lost sale. Especially when the game has no demo, and didn't have a global release initially. I'm glad you're staying off the DRM, just don't foster ill will with comments like these.
Sure we do. The game would be cracked, and more people would have pirated it to avoid the DRM in the legal copy.Kopikatsu said:
Not that pirating to avoid DRM is justifiable in any way. People can spin whatever bullshit stories they want: pirating a game that's available for legal purchase makes you part of the DRM problem, no matter what justified reason you think you have. You're still part of the reason that big publishers see such big numbers of downloaded copies and think "oh shit, we need to try harder next time." You want them to stop with DRM? You need to not buy and not download. If there's no interest in their game both legally and illegally, maybe then they'll finally get the message.
But nope. People will just keep downloading illegal copies and try to justify it because they don't have the balls to give up on playing a game they may have wanted to play, and us legal customers will keep getting screwed because publishers are too stupid to realize that DRM screws us over and the illegal downloaders who "only do it to avoid DRM" are too stupid to realize that they're part of the problem.
These guys treat us, the gamers and customers, SOOOO well.
They deserve all your money and support for the game. Every sale they deserve. It actually breaks my heart a little to see such a pro-gamer, anti-DLC developer get 4x as many illegal downloads as legitimate sales.
Boo on you too, pirates. Man up and support these wonderful people who gave you such a great game and made it user-friendly too. Free DLC? Huge post-release support and patches?
They need your money FAR more than ever before. Unless you want Ubisoft's DRM and always-on internet required restrictings to ruin PC for everyone.
They deserve all your money and support for the game. Every sale they deserve. It actually breaks my heart a little to see such a pro-gamer, anti-DLC developer get 4x as many illegal downloads as legitimate sales.
Boo on you too, pirates. Man up and support these wonderful people who gave you such a great game and made it user-friendly too. Free DLC? Huge post-release support and patches?
They need your money FAR more than ever before. Unless you want Ubisoft's DRM and always-on internet required restrictings to ruin PC for everyone.
Except that alot of those people wouldn't have even paid a penny. I know people who downloaded it played it for 30-60minutes and gave up and haven't touched it again. now they probably moved on and forgot about it but if those same people had paid 50 dollar's and felt that because they didn't like the game they had been ripped off they would start being all harsh to itKopikatsu said:
Except that on Day 1 they did have DRM. Everycopy but the GoG one had a DRM solution in it, and that DRM caused massive slowdown's to the point that people on steam were asking for refund's until CDProjeckt removed the DRM.Kopikatsu said:
And want to know the ironic thing, it wasn't the GoG copy that went up on the torrent's for the pirate's to play. It was the DRM version after it had been bypassed.
At most the DRM might have reduced piracy, but not actually improved sales especially with the aforementioned slow downs.
And at the end of the day if you sell 1 million copies of your game it doesn't really matter if you have 4 pirate's or 4 million pirate's. Because if any of those pirate's were going to give you there money they already would have.
Hell i bought the collector's edition and i count as one of those pirate's for two reasons
A) I don't have a working DVD Drive in my computer for the sole fact that since it broke 2 year's ago. There have only been 2 disc based thing's i have needed to install to my computer
B) My collector's edition was imported from overseas and took about a week to arrive.
Because of this i downloaded the ISO of the game and waited for my CD-Key to arrive in my collector's edition
Each Pirated copy isn't a sale, and their are going to be those that cross over, because like me they downloaded the ISO for whatever reason(maybe Downloading the ISO from a torrent/Direct Download was faster than the Digital Distributor they purchased the game from.)
And maybe some of those pirate's actually became legitimate customer's after demo-ing the game via piracy and decided that it was something that was worth there money.
Thing's aren't black and white like most would have you believe
I can't play the witcher 2 (yet) but I already like these guys. I'm tempted to buy the witcher 1 even though I can't run it just to support them! Can't wait until it hits the 360 next year!
Seriously, screw pirates with a rusty spoon. CD Projekt made the game cheaper and DRM free, what gamers ask for, and they still pirate the game in droves.
All my tiniest concessions for pirates, gone. All gone.
All my tiniest concessions for pirates, gone. All gone.
Bought Both games totally worth every penny, I bought the witchers 2 collectors edition which honest stands out as one of the best CE items i ever bought, I hope these numbers aren't true, because if it is well that will be a dam shame
Give me a few hundred dollars and a couple of days, and I can tell you reasonably close as to how many copies have been downloaded since its release, its not rocket science.
Just need to pay into the private sites as well as all the pubic ones to check the tracker info, and NZB's are tracked in a similar fashion, so its easy to find out, well, it is if you really want to.
But as he says, that doesn't take into account other methods of distribution, ala FTP, physical copies, USB ect.
Just need to pay into the private sites as well as all the pubic ones to check the tracker info, and NZB's are tracked in a similar fashion, so its easy to find out, well, it is if you really want to.
But as he says, that doesn't take into account other methods of distribution, ala FTP, physical copies, USB ect.
Yes DRM was supposed to stop pirates problem is it didn't. DRM has never nor will ever stop piracy what DRM does stop is second hand sales which is why there isn't much of a market for second hand PC games. Mark my words soon as the publishers figure this out DRM will be coming to a console near you.
I would love to know where they get these numbers from and on what basis he thinks that it is worse than that.Hevva said:
Yes, because if you do not get an instant cave in, like in the month since the story about Germany was first reported, then it must be a complete failure...Hevva said:
Logically, DRM does absolutely nothing to prevent piracy. The moment one person cracks it, it's out there for everyone to take. The only way to stop piracy is to create fullproof DRM, and have you ever heard of DRM that wasn't eventually cracked? DRM exists because companies need to do something to comfort shareholders, and this is the easiest way to go.Kopikatsu said:
Personally, I think that CDP is going about this the right way, which is why it sucks all the more that they've had so many copies of their game stolen.