Okay, first. Mages. Can't they cure everyone. Even the priest can. They can also shoot fireballs. FIREBALLS. Is sucking in a soul of a dragon that much different from some of the powers mages have (or vampires), just not on dragons. (Plus Fireballs are way more showy.) Also, the part that makes no sense to me is how the Thu'um is powered by dragon souls but can be passed down to "others with the voice". With no power loss? Otherwise the powers would have depleted long ago, right? Even with the help of a particularly helpful dragon to keep the power going, that makes no sense. So your power is not that unique and if the old boys on the hill weren't so stingy, everyone might be able to do it. Going to the Jesus analogy, its like John the Baptist anointing Jesus. Who verified that he anointed the right person, other than John? What gave John the right to anoint Jesus? And why did he pick only one person? Everyone is gated from this teaching and only the 'special one' can be trained (mind you, that special one learnt how to do it by themselves)Saelune said:You could make a case for Oblivion, but in Morrowind AND Skyrim, you are a messiah of fate. Not some politician, but literally gifts from the Gods (or Daedric Prince in Morrowind's case). If some guy showed up claiming to be Jesus, sure, people wouldn't give much credit to them...but then they go around curing the sick and lame, and literally performing miracles (or absorbing Dragon Souls), well, even non/alternate religious people would be like "Oh Dang". Sure, you have some like the Dunmer Housecarl who "has seen things just as outlandish as this" but she is an accomplished warrior and adventurer. Most people in Skyrim aren't. Certainly not the guards who were there.trunkage said:Do you think people like Obama? Or Trump or any Clinton. More hate them than like them. Plenty of thier own employees or party member speak poorly. Now that's not guards and thier bakery bullying but close enough. They speak poorly about them on national TV.Smithnikov said:And your Thaneship? Is that faked? Even though the Jarl him/herself states "I'll inform the guards of your new title. CAN'T HAVE THEM TREATING YOU LIKE THE COMMON RABBLE, CAN I?"trunkage said:Just because you say you did something does make that true. Photo or it didn't happen
So yea, your fucking JARL told you to show some respect to the guy/girl who's armed to the teeth and wearing pieces of a dragon as armor, and you're going to talk smack to them about lollygagging and sweet rolls? Please.
As for who'll speak for you? How about I summon the actual Heroes of Yore and let a doubter take THEIR word for it. They were there when you shanked Alduin.
You, in Skyrim, are (usually) a foreigner given thaneship, and you think that what a leader says means something. Or some ghosts. That's like saying killing Ulfric will stop the Stormcloacks, or killing Bin Laden will stop Al Qeada. It might have slowed them down but they are still around. Still causing problems or in a new form. Plus the whole point of Elder Scrolls is that everyone is a racists. They aren't going to follow a foreigner thane. Particularly if you just killed their groups' leader.
Let me be clear. Bethsheda didn't do this intentionally. It was lazy programming. I just happen to think it actually very realistic. You expect that when you acting nicely and save people that means you should be respected. I don't think that happens in IRL.. Case in point The World Wars and American "saving" the day. Or almost ever war America has been in since them.
Take samurai as an example. They are in literature as the embodiment of virtue but it was far from the case. They could murder almost anyone if they felt insulted. European were much the same. In other words, If you want respect, don't let those who disrespect you live.
I think bringing back some sort of reputation thing per character like Morrowind had would fix a lot of this. Its one thing to be a stranger in a new town, even if everywhere else your name is sung, but I think actually sucking up a dragon in front of people should atleast make THEM treat you different.
I think Elder Scroll games have become a bit too randomized as part of their lessening quality from Morrowind.
Also, while we are on the topic of Jesus. The Jews don't think Jesus fulfilled the prophecy and the Muslems have a different prophecy. Even though they have common books. A lot of what is written about Jesus in the prophetic sense before he turned up is not actually describing anyone. Calling someone "King of Kings" doesn't say anything other than you like Persians. Also, if you want to fulfil on a prophecy, don't you just have to read the book and follow that. Which means that anyone could do it. For example, there were plenty of boys called Jesus (or in Hebrew Joshua) in during Jesus Christ's time.
And the Elder Scrolls have a mechanism where fact checking isn't possible. They can warp peoples mind (or blind them.) You'd have the same problem as the Catholic church had just before the Reformation as information would be locked away and only the message the priest wanted to deliver would be available. That's pretty much why the Crusades happened.
You are right. Some people would follow you. Might original point is that I don't think everyone would.