Therapist Repeats "Gaming is Like Snorting Cocaine" Claim

Renogod

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The same could be said about people who study a lot, it creates and endorphins, and creates pleasure, your body does produce stuff similar to heroin (though not as extreme or addicting) but to say that video games are like cocaine would be the same as saying people who study a lot are like people addicted to cocaine. It really is basically what mentally stimulates you, that creates such an effect, so to the therapist. So if I'm studying a lot does that mean i need to go to rehab?
 

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Well, i guess gaming is kinda like snorting cocaine, but you get to keep your sanity, which, by the look on this guy's face, he must have lost long ago....

btw therapist | the rapist, coincidence, I think not...
 

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Okay, well I'm going to PO some people here, but I think he's right to some extent. He's got the specifics wrong, but the truth is that gamers do behave like a group of addicts. I will explain so don't freak out, and actually read this, even though I'm sure most people are going to disagree with me.

In his case, he's absolutly nuts in his examples, about how there is something wrong with the way people react to having something snatched from them, or the bits about chemical reactions and how bad they are, and a lot of that kind of thing, but there are a lot of problem behaviors involved. It's a differant kind of addiction than what he's talking about.

Where I see the problems with addiction is in the game industry and how games are marketed. We as consumers pretty much let the gaming industry slap us around like crazy, because we can't bear to go without our games. It doesn't matter what the industry does, price increases, taking away our control of our own property, quality reduction, and let's not even get into the antics of people like Bobby Kotick and that entire "Infinity Ward" fiasco, we keep buying the products. What's worse, as a group we know what is going on is wrong, we sit around and complain about it constantly, we complain about how we're getting gouged by things like Downloadable Content with things being held out of games so companies can charge money for what should already be there, we complain about having to buy games digitally knowing that we could lose access to very expensive products at the drop of a hat, or if someone wants to have an ego trip like EA just did by cutting some guy out of his "Dragon Age 2" purchuse because they didn't like something he said on their forums. In the end though we line right up to buy the products, and the industry keeps right on finding ways to charge
us even more money, while giving us less in the way of actual products.

Looking into the mirror is painful, but this *IS* the kind of behavior junkies exhibit. Right now we've just watched EA do something that's ridiculously inexcusable in taking someone's money for a product, and then refusing to deliver it, and justifying it by "we don't like the guy's attitude on our forums". Yet amazingly, the reaction to this (which goes beyond whether the guy deserved the ban or not) is going to largely be "gee, glad it wasn't me" as everyone lines up to buy their next big release.

Look at what Bobby Kotick has done, the game industry equivilent of a rampaging, out of control dealer who has a habit of killing people more or less at random. The guy refused to pay his people promised bonuses, and outed them with thugs. A popular group of developers no less. That entire fiasco and yet people ignored it when "Black Ops." came out as the next game in the "Call Of Duty" series. The bottom line being that nobody cared about the DLC gouging, nobody cared about the guy running the show, nobody cared about what happened with the servers, everyone complained, but at the same time the community lined right up, hat in hand, to buy the game, knowing very well that in doing so they were reinforcing the behaviors they had problems with... but it doesn't matter, because they have their game right now.

To be honest things like Cocaine are a bad example, I think the addiction in mostly mental and social to be honest. It's a situation where a lot of games like "Call Of Duty" have become part of society to the point where people are afraid of exclusion by NOT buying the games. After all if all your friends are going to be playing, and spending hours talking about this, you don't want to be the guy who is on the out. It's a mental addiction like any form of escapism is, not especially problematic, any more than watching TV and getting obsessed with show after show to the point where you go out of your way to watch prime time (which a lot of people do). On it's own I think the addictive aspects are within permissible levels, if you become concerned about this you by extension would be banning pretty much every activity and hobby out there that garners more than a casual level. The "problem" games tend to largely be the ones with social components, such as multiplayer shooters, MMORPGs, fighting games, and certain franchises that have grown to the point of developing large communities even without a direct multi-player component.

Right now I think the biggest problem is that gaming has hit the mainstream rather suddenly and there really isn't much balance on industry exploitation, there is no real consumer advocacy among gamers for example. I also think the goverment is behind the curve in regulating the industry due to the new technologies involved. One of the problems with societies is how slowly they move and adapt, and truthfully lawmakers and those who protect the consumer tend to be a generation behind, and I don't think a lot of the people calling the shots really grasp the whole idea of "virtual property" or the issues involved in digital distribution, or people setting up these kinds of "always online" verification schemes that can be used to track people, or even cut people off from things that they purchused.

The problem is also compounded by the fact that I think the gaming industry was savvy enough to buy up most of the people that understand the relevent laws. As a result in cases where we see things like EULAs fought, it's rarely done competantly except on their side of the coin. In many such cases I can't help but roll my eyes at the very angle of attack chosen by the guys representing the person making the case against the industry.


The point is that this guy is right on some levels, he's just wrong that it's the kind of problem that needs to be dealt with in a "your kids are on drugs" format. Gaming is "new" as far as the mainstream is concerned, and society is simply incapable of really putting it into context, or adapting to the technology and issues involved.

To be honest, I think this guy's problem is that he's trying to deal with gaming through the eyes of what he knows, and ground it in established sciences, when it's really not that easy. His arguements are very similar to how when Televisions came out how "disturbing" it was the amount of time kids (or people in general) would spend watching them, especially seeing as it was new and differant. What's more the companies in control were totally ruthless and corrupt and it took the goverment a LOT of effort to catch up with them in that arena. Look at how close Ted Turner came to pretty much becoming the god emperor of all media before the goverment finally "got it" at the last moment and slapped him down. Guys like our Bobby Koticks, and our large companies like EA and Activition are the equivilent of the Ted Turners of this generation, seeking to get things like "Digital Distribution" and constant online linkages established BEFORE the goverment gets to the point where it understands and can act. If this stuff is already totally entrenched what the authorities can do becomes a lot more limited.

In short, gaming IS an addiction, the same way a hobby, or television is an addiction. We can go without it, but people who are into it, don't WANT to go without it. It's new enough to be differant though and people who think of video games as they were 20-30 years ago (who are a lot of our lawmakers) don't seem to really "get" that what they are dealing with is not simply a prettier version of "Pac Man" that people should want to drop at a moment's notice. Taking a controller out of someone's hand, or clicking off a game box, can ruin hours of work. Sort of like how missing an episode of a favorite show, or a televised sporting event, or something else, especially if someone else intentionally saborages it, can ruin someone's entire day, or maybe their entire week. It's scary like a drug addiction when you fail to assign equal weight to what's being dealt with.


Long, drawn out, and probably confusing, apologies for that. I know many people will disagree with me, but that's my thoughts on the subject. In short we ARE addicts, but not as this guy presents. The big problem isn't so much gaming itself, as much as the game industry. Sort of like how Ted Turner was a problem in how he tried to run/control everything, even if Television was not a problem in of itself. The specifics are differant, but the bottom line is almost identical.
 

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Right. Because anyone that ever picks up a game controller is automatically a twitching basket case just itching to "confuse fantasy with reality".

Wait... two hours of gaming and staying up late are the same as being high? I gotta say, I don't see what all the fuss over being high is about then.
 

molester jester

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As someone who has spent an extensive amount of time doing both those things i am calling complete and utter bullshit on that claim.
 

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I wonder what his opinion is on Futbol, football, and rugby. "Healthy" activities known to cause bone breaking injuries and concussions. Which are all "A-okay" when it comes to being active....yeah...

P.S. You know what really P.O.'s me about these claims? That they would prefer to risk their children to become vegetables because of sport injuries than to have them play video games. Not only is such a view preferred, but it is both promoted and encouraged by the government and "health" gurus. That is very sad indeed.
 

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Cocaine? Get real. Can gamers exhibit addictive behavior akin to compulsive gamblers? A significant percentage do. Even if we're just talking 3-4% of the gaming population, that's a lot of people.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
To make his point, he suggested that parents listening to the program "go upstairs to your kid's bedroom and try and take the game station controller out of their hands." They will react "in the same way as an alcoholic would if you tried to take their booze. It's scary,"
I suggest he goes upstairs into his wife's bedroom and slaps the book she is reading out of her hands. She will react in the same way as most human beings and ask you "What the fuck are you doing?" - Similar to remarks a dangerous addict may say when confused.
Also, since when was a 'high' alone considered a bad thing? Exercise releases endorphins, and I don't see many gym-bunnies running around trying to bicep-curl an OAP to live out their personal-training fantasy.

Other silly remarks:

#1- "Computer game addiction can also spiral into violence as after playing violent games, they may turn their fantasy games into reality."

Also, sex addiction may spiral into sex as, after having sex, they turn their sexual fantasies into sex!

I think therapists sometimes forger that us 'stupid people' can distinguish between televisions and reality. If living out a fantasy in a virtual medium leads to it occurring in 'real-life', choose-your-own adventure stories, LEGO, and most imaginative games and toys would be banned.


#2 - "Spending two hours on a game station is equivalent to taking a line of cocaine in the high it produces in the brain."

Spending two hours on horseback while said horse gallops across the country-side is probably equivalent or more to a line of cocaine in the high it gives. People don't become addicted to moving fast on animals and then start mounting cheetahs to stave off their addiction.


#3 - He said staying up late to play videogames causes an "endorphin high in [kids'] brains," leading to a "chemical imbalance" that disrupts behaviour and learning.

As I imagine reading comic-books or reading adventure stories did for previous generations.

This man is an idiot. An idiot with paparazzi-esque flair.
 

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Psh...ridiculous! I can stop anytime! *hiccup* Hey put my controller down ya damn dirty ape *hiccup* RAWR!!! *violent breakdown*

Calling all cars, we got a code 451, game dealing operation going on in gamestation! He's dealing Triple AAA games! I'm gonna need back up

I would ***** slap anybody who took something out of my hand while I was using it, even just my key that I like to swing around.


But I can see his point after all I did go running over old ladies after a GTA4 session once, stole their cash, it wasn't as satisfying as the game.

YO *****! YOU TRYNA PLAY ME DAWG!!! I asked for mint Black Ops and you giving me Medal of Honor pre-owned ************?!!!! Oh hell to the naw!!!! *15 gunshots*

Owner of a gamestation: So...Asda...I hear you been pushing games on my turf...this is my area...all the games on this block mine!! If you don't stop I'm gonna have to make you start paying tax

Does this make the Steve Ballmer the godfather?
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
I'm just wondering how you grind the games up into powder.

BTW, which games is Charlie Sheen playing?
Hehe. If the Escapist had a "like" button I would be using it right now. And the answer to your question is "all of them", he's Charlie Sheen.

Also, anyone ever notice if you split the word "therapist" you get "the rapist"?
 

bob-2000

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Really? last time I games, I don't think that I got a cocaine hight. That's just silly.
 

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Woooooooooooooooooooow...I wonder if he's met anyone who's sucked a smurf* to get another 2 hours of (insert popular game title here).

*[sub]that Smurfs trailer effected me strangely so I may not be swearing for a while.[/sub]
 

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An absurd opinion based on absolutely ridiculous comparisons.
But I have to admit, I would love to have his last name.
 

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If I was at a hockey game, and ran out onto the ice and took a players stick right as he was about to take a shot, I'm sure he'd be pretty pissed too.

OR if I took my dads golf club out of his hand on the backswing, or if I took someones pencil away in the middle of homework they needed to finish.