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Daystar Clarion said:
-Samurai- said:
Gotta love all the people preaching tolerance while being intolerant of someone with different views.
Tolerance is putting up with something.

If a racist starts hurling their hate filled ignorance around, I will put up with it, but not without telling them how fucking stupid they are for still holding such neanderthal beliefs.
So then hurling your "hate filled ignorance" at them is somehow different than them doing the same? You're discriminating against them for discriminating against someone else.

Come on, guy. I've seen you around. You're smarter than that.
 

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I would not befriend a racist personally, especially considering I am mixed race myself. If I found out that a friend of mine was racist, I would definately look at him differently, and not consider him a friend anymore. That attitude is pretty much disgusting. The fact that he starts getting angry when you would put me off even more.

I feel nothing but pity for racist people, it's because they don't know any better. Racism is usually a matter of stupidity and unwilfulness to understand. However I wouldn't punch him in the face or anything, only people who are extremely public or hateful to people in their face deserve such treatment. If he merely keeps it to himself, and shares it with you sometimes, I think.

In general, I don't befriend hateful people. If I somehow befriend a hateful person and they start showing it, it will normally cause an argument. I have no respect for hateful people, and I will definately not tolerate the thought of being friends with one.
 

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So, do you have any racist friends and what do you think about them? Personally, I think I can't look at my friend the same way anymore...
Most of the older generations in my family are racist. My grandfather, my father, even my mother was racist against Mexicans.

My mother had the largest impact on me, as she won custody after the divorce, and for a while I was racist against Mexicans/Hispanics until my late teens. After I caught myself being ignorant and biased one too many times, and not believing I was like that, I decided to change. I found the first thing I did was simply displace the racism into other bigoted opinions. Emos, Obese people, idiots, Bible-thumpers, etc. More "acceptable" groups to rag on.

Then I simply got tired of hating indiscriminately. It messed with my mojo, my inner calm. It was a caustic fuel which ate away at me even as it ramped me up. So, I switched from hating to laughing. Now I laugh every single day - at stuff which is probably not funny to most people. I feel happy, and while I still feel the burning hot rage of a thousand Suns occasionally, it's usually subjected to an individual or specific group which has displayed they are nothing but the opposite of everything I stand for (re: TEA Partiers booing the Golden Rule).

I would venture to say that I'm more egalitarian when it comes to dating than most. I've dated caucasian, Thai, Black, Puerto Rican Mixed, and I know much of my family is racist because they give me shit about it.

It's never bad shit - it's not overt, harsh racism. It's just something underneath the cracks. Something that doesn't fit in with their world view and because they are polite, loving people, they address it in the way they see as polite. Everybody in my family - and I have a very large extended family - married within their race. I currently live in Salt Lake City - which is about 92% Caucasian. My immediate family has spent practically all of their adult lives living in the suburbs around SLC, and expanding horizons is for young folk.

I understand their racism, and since it hasn't exhibited as damaging - I find most of the women are able to deal with it just fine given a heads up. However, I think there's also a mutual understanding that I don't really need them - and that if they did do anything which I found insulting to my core, I'd have no problem dropping all communication with them. I'm the type of person who doesn't take that crap for very long, and have no problem simply cutting the person spewing it right out of my life.

However, my understanding of their racism isn't to say that I think racism is fine or implies that there are benign (or even beneficial) types. Racism, ultimately, is constructed out of stereotypes - reinforced by stereotypes - and produces stereotypes. It is self-perpetuating. Stereotypes are an incredibly simplified template that our minds use to assess an unknown person's qualities and capabilities before we are given a chance to understand them. They are necessary for our function; but the difference between a racist stereotype that leads to hatred and gross generalization and one that leads to indifference is simple.

People are are venomously racist are the ones who apply a stereotype which they have allowed or encouraged themselves to develop above and beyond simple phenotypic cues, and then defend it at all costs. They ignore exceptions, lambast others who disagree, and refuse to spend the energy required for understanding. Sometimes this is done out of pure laziness, which sounds like your friend, and sometimes this is done out of pure fear - which usually provides bombastic results when pushed.

That is in stark contrast to, as an example, my personal process. My initial stereotype applied to other people is "human" - which is correspondingly vague and carries wide-ranging connotations about personality and capabilities. It's often mistaken for apathy (which should say something about how others expect to be treated based on their looks), and means that I ask a lot of questions. Unfortunately, the last bit takes time, effort, and the willingness to find something in common.

As a result, many don't. Then, they justify their lack of effort. Usually via excuses like "positive racism," "racism is unavoidable/necessary," "if nobody's hurt it's okay," "I've been this way forever so there's no need to change," and whatever angle they want to play it at.

Your friend sounds he doesn't know what to think, actually. He sounds like he's in limbo. He's dating/dated a black woman and supposedly hates "niggers." That type of really obvious and blatant hypocrisy usually means there's something else going on and he's in a period where he's trying to define himself - via arguing with you, via current trends he was predisposed to, and attempting to find the easiest path to a personality he can accept.

Your job should be to serve as an example, force him onto a more difficult path, or drop him altogether if he's made up his mind.
 

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I'd say cut your ties with him, I surely wouldn't want to be friends with someone, let alone good friends, who is actively and outwardly racist as that.

Back in college (UK college, not uni) I was walking to the shop with a friend (whom shall be named John) and one of his friends (whom shall be named Gary). On our way back, John decided to stay behind for some reason I can't remember, leaving me to walk back with Gary, who seemed to be a likeable character. The conversation came onto politics, and I mentioned that despite not being a voter, I'd vote for Labour when I could vote. Then he asks this:-

"Why don't you vote for the BNP?" and then he starts chanting 'BNP' and 'send them all back' or something along those lines.

For people who don't know, the BNP (British National Party, wiki link [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party]) are a far-right political party here in the UK who succeeded from the 'National Front', who were pretty much a neo-Nazi group formed in the 60s. If you look at my surname (Czerwik-Hampshire) you'll notice it's not entirely British, so you can see how I'd be against anti-immigrant groups.

So yeah, any impressions given by this guy making him seem like he's alright were instantly shadowed by the word 'RACIST'. I've never met him again to this day, and I even told John, and he said that he didn't want to be friends with him anymore because of that.

So yeah, racism is bad. Don't do it.
 
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-Samurai- said:
Daystar Clarion said:
-Samurai- said:
Gotta love all the people preaching tolerance while being intolerant of someone with different views.
Tolerance is putting up with something.

If a racist starts hurling their hate filled ignorance around, I will put up with it, but not without telling them how fucking stupid they are for still holding such neanderthal beliefs.
So then hurling your "hate filled ignorance" at them is somehow different than them doing the same? You're discriminating against them for discriminating against someone else.

Come on, guy. I've seen you around. You're smarter than that.
Your logic is flawed. Being intolerant of intolerance isn't the same thing.

If I see a person being violently mugged and then proceed to beat the shit out of the mugger, I'm no better than the mugger?
 

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Lazier Than Thou said:
Wait. Why would humans be any different from any other species? Are there no differences in intelligence levels in pitbulls vs german shepherds? Is there nothing racial in the difference between boa constrictors and rattlesnakes? Perhaps the difference between a baboon and a chimpanzee is nothing more than a difference of socio-economic influences? Are the differences in lions to tigers simply a difference in altitude?

Look, I understand how this is a dangerous path to take. I understand that acknowledging a difference in the races is scary and can easily end up in some very unsavory places. It's easy to get to racism from acknowledging differences in the races. All it takes is to see a difference and then try to determine the various benefits each race sees. Maybe group X has a lighter skeletal structure than group Y. Maybe group B shows an aptitude for upper body strength unseen in group A. It's easy how you can take this simple curiosity and desire to know generalities and extrapolate them to X supremacy.

But it's not going to end it. Recognizing differences in groups of people does not make one group better or worse than another. It doesn't negate the inherent value of human life. Let me explain how:

Would you consider a person with downs syndrome to be less of a human being than, say, Albert Einstein? The difference in intellectual ability is enormous, but the mentally handicapped are no less human, no less deserving of compassion and dignity than someone mentally superior. What about the differences between an amputee and an Olympic gold medal winner? Is the amputee worth less as a human being? No, of course not.

So why, precisely, would a person be of less value simply because their genetics show a predisposition towards, say, diabetes? Or stronger musculature? Or emotional outbursts? Or intellectual ability?

There are differences between the races. This is neither a shocking nor bad thing. It's a thing that is and must be acknowledged if there's to be any harmony between the races.
Because those differences are between species, I advise you read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Race_and_ethnicity

As it clearly shows, no biological borders, no scientific consensus and the vast majority of Anthropologists disregarding the notion of human "race" entirely. Those are the people qualified on this issue, not some skinhead or some idiot clone on YouTube repeating "Anti-White is code for Anti-White." and then blatantly lying and spamming videos.
 

Hateren47

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Mortai Gravesend said:
-Samurai- said:
Daystar Clarion said:
-Samurai- said:
Gotta love all the people preaching tolerance while being intolerant of someone with different views.
Tolerance is putting up with something.

If a racist starts hurling their hate filled ignorance around, I will put up with it, but not without telling them how fucking stupid they are for still holding such neanderthal beliefs.
So then hurling your "hate filled ignorance" at them is somehow different than them doing the same? You're discriminating against them for discriminating against someone else.

Come on, guy. I've seen you around. You're smarter than that.
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You mean you don't understand the difference between basing how you treat someone on their actual beliefs and discriminating against them based on things that don't actually matter? Because beliefs matter to the character of a person, skin color doesn't. I didn't think it was that hard.
So it's all right to discriminate/treat someone differently based on their beliefs? What about culture? Is discriminating against certain cultures okay in your opinion as well? I guess it's easier to change your religion/culture/beliefs than the colour of you skin.
I hope for the sake of your argument that you just phrased that wrong. If not you're just a bad as the hypothetical racists you'd tell "how fucking stupid they are"
 

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Ok, I'm half-Korean, but, when I was a kid, I definitely looked full Korean and grew up in a rural area where over 99% of people are white. It was the reason to single me out to make fun of me, and I've been referred to as "*****" or "gook" like it was actually my name for most of my life.

So, I don't like racism; it's hurt me quite a lot. However, the politically-correct push to make everyone be not racist and hunt down those who are is going too far and pushes into the realm of thought policing. Truth and (especially) morality are completely arbitrary.
 

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My ex's brother is very racist, to the point where he doesn't consider black-British people (i.e. born in the same country as him, but with a black skin colour) to be "really" British. For example, he thinks that football players like Jermain Defoe and Shaun Wright-Phillips shouldn't play for England because "they're not English". Strangley enough, he had a black girlfriend for a while, but whenever he saw a white girl walking down the street holding hands with a black guy he would be like "F***ing disgusting". And he didn't understand/accept how that was a double-standard.

What's also bad is, he knew very well that I did not share his racist views, but he still made racist comments around me all the time and I knew he was doing it on purpose because he would say something and then immediately look at me to see my reaction. Kind of a like real-life troll. Yeah, very glad I don't have to interact with him much any more. Of course, that was someone I didn't choose to associate with, but I had to put up with because I was going out with his brother. It really got on my nerves though, it's not right for someone to deliberately wind you up like that with something you find really offensive.
 

Hateren47

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Hateren47 said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
-Samurai- said:
Daystar Clarion said:
-Samurai- said:
Gotta love all the people preaching tolerance while being intolerant of someone with different views.
Tolerance is putting up with something.

If a racist starts hurling their hate filled ignorance around, I will put up with it, but not without telling them how fucking stupid they are for still holding such neanderthal beliefs.
So then hurling your "hate filled ignorance" at them is somehow different than them doing the same? You're discriminating against them for discriminating against someone else.

Come on, guy. I've seen you around. You're smarter than that.
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You mean you don't understand the difference between basing how you treat someone on their actual beliefs and discriminating against them based on things that don't actually matter? Because beliefs matter to the character of a person, skin color doesn't. I didn't think it was that hard.
So it's all right to discriminate/treat someone differently based on their beliefs? What about culture? Is discriminating against certain cultures okay in your opinion as well? I guess it's easier to change your religion/culture/beliefs than the colour of you skin.
I hope for the sake of your argument that you just phrased that wrong. If not you're just a bad as the hypothetical racists you'd tell "how fucking stupid they are"
Yes, it is alright to treat someone differently based on their beliefs.

Culture, not in and of itself. If they hold certain cultural beliefs that are problematic, then the same as with any other belief. If they felt that unwilling human sacrifice was alright, then I'd have a problem with them regardless of whether the source of the belief is cultural or not.

Phrased what wrong? And you should pay better attention to who says what. I didn't say anything about "how fucking stupid they are".
You're right, I apologise, you didn't. I had my head in a lovely shawarma dish as I was going through the thread and I wasn't paying proper attention.

You argument that it's all right to treat people differently for one reason but not another is still kinda dumb. Most white racist (for example) today don't hate black people (for example) because they have different skin tones but because of their, in the first mentioned opinion, lesser culture. The result is the same some people will get discriminated wrongly because of their appearance as first impressions usually stick around for a while.

I'll never like Arabs myself. This comes from being around Arabs long enough through childhood, international boarding school, the night life and my work life to realise the odds of a male Arab being a right ass hole is nearly 1:1. Same with Somalians for that matter. Oddly enough Persians (well Iranians really, raised by parents that fled their country in the early 80's) are well integrated into society and Turks can flip either way because their parents are usually non problematic and have been here long enough to be part of our country and tries in my experience to raise their children as Danes or at least Danish Turks. You can usually tell if they speak with a stupid accent or use the word "wollah" in normal conversation. If they don't they are probably normal productive people for all I care. This comes from someone who knows a lot of these people from spending my life in nearly all parts of society, dealing in drugs and stolen goods, long streaks of unemployment, as a Royal Danish Guard (not really part of high society but I did carry a loaded rifle amongst them) and now working at the information kiosk at a public library. I meet a lot of different people every day and I have for a while (I'd say a long time, but I'm only 28) and it seems like at least 50% of the Arab population are inferior to me, my country and my culture. I'd like to think that I'm better than them. People from mostly Arab countries and Somalia are also more criminal than other immigrants, excelling in violent crimes.

Am I racist for hating Arabs and Somalians (in Denmark)? I couldn't give a fuck about their hair, skin or facial features but that is of course how I recognise them. I do of course not act upon my feelings towards them while I'm at work but if they start messing with my professional barrier, this jolly giant get the serious face out and since they know I outrank them because of my superior beardage that's usually the end of it. It's not rare that I have to "rescue" a female co worker though, because the simple act of borrowing a book or using one of our computers without disturbing the whole library is apparently too much to ask for for these guys who can't go anywhere by them selves.

Is it racist, after all my negative experiences, to hate these guys? To think that my community, country and even planet would be better of without them?

Of course there are still old dumb textbook definition racists but it's not the majority of "racists". Certainly not world wide. Just people who don't agree with the multicultural approach to western society. I estimate it's a very large minority, but that estimate comes mostly from observation and a little from my ass.

Sorry for taking so long to reply mate. I got stuck messing around with the statistics bank on dst.dk for crime-by-country of origin statistic while smoking a joint and it turned in to a bit of a rable-rable-rable thing. And yes, Arabs (by country) are overrepresented I just couldn't be bothered to do a complete statistic and I know this forum would pick anything incomplete apart whether there is a reason to or not. If you want to you can knock yourself out [http://www.statistikbanken.dk/statbank5a/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?Maintable=STRAFNA1&PLanguage=1] on dst.dk. Link is set to english. Then search the same site for the ethnic make up of the country.

And to the OP, if your mate is a good friend keep him around. Good friends are hard to get. If he's just some ass hole you know, tell him to keep his racist views to him self or remove yourself from him if he is bothering you.
 

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To all of the people saying he needs to be beaten and even killed, you need to realize your not as "morally correct" as you think. I would even go to say your worse than him, for suggesting physical punishment over what he thinks.

Also to all the people saying he is indefinably wrong, you need to stop shoving your morals down other peoples throats. As someone else said already, what is wrong differs from person to person. Think about this, if I asked "Do you think cheating on a (test, etc) is ok?)" I guarantee I would get mixed responses.

I'm not saying I believe what he thinks is right, but some people are not even thinking through this at all, there just saying "behead em!!!!". Honestly that is what worries me, not somebody being racist. At least the racist isn't wanting people beaten or killed.
 

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Block that guy out of your life as fast as humanly possible. He bares all the token signs of a cock bag: Prejudiced; inconsistency; hypocrisy; stupidity; shot temper; and lame excuses that fail to justify all of the previous.
 

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Racism is ignorant, stupid, and obviously unfair to those being discriminated against. That being said, there are worse things one can be. Such as genocidal. I'd rather be friends with a racist asshole than a genocidal maniac. Though the chance of me giving either the time of day is pretty small.
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
speakstrg17 said:
Also to all the people saying he is indefinably wrong, you need to stop shoving your morals down other peoples throats. As someone else said already, what is wrong differs from person to person. Think about this, if I asked "Do you think cheating on a (test, etc) is ok?)" I guarantee I would get mixed responses.
What utter crap. You're whining that they need to stop shoving morals down other people's throats based on what? Your morality? You only bring up moral relativism because you want an excuse to not be judged. You probably don't even know the difference between talking about descriptive morality versus complaining about normative.
Two things to tell you

1. I love the fact that you attempt to make things as complicated as possible as if it would help your "argument", but what you don't realize is that I made no argument I was stating that you need to examine your own morals before you attack others. As you are the one wishing harm upon, as far as we know an innocent man.

2. I could care less if I was judged by you or anyone else on the internet, you trying to say I would care makes me think that you could be the one worried about getting judged

I hope don't have to respond further, as I was just saying people were being violent and very quick to judge suggesting bad bad things (including you). I wish people would think about things before they spew it out as if it were some universal fact tough to all ages.
 

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No, no, I didn't say that, but a good friend of mine did.

So, this friend watched American History X yesterday, a movie which tells about dangers of racism and what it can cause. Today he said something about the movie: "Best parts where those where niggers were killed"
I was shocked... I told him that the movie was supposed to be against racism. After that he said "Well I'm a racist and there is nothing wrong about being racist. I don't like black people"

Of course I started arguing against it, but he just got angry and said that being racist is his choise and I can't start whining about it to him.

But the thing is, he has had a black friend and he has been with one of my black friends. So I asked him "But wasn't she a nice girl?" (referring to my black friend). He responded "Yeah, but she wasn't foreigner", "So you dont like foreigner people?" "Yeah, but most of them are black", "So what about that chinese guy just 2 doors away from us?"(The friend is also my roommate), "Oh yeah, I dont like chinese people either"

I started arguing that you can't judge people just for their skin colour or where they come from, but I could see how he were getting angry so I stopped. He gets angry very easily and I don't want that to happen.

I don't know if I should punch him to the face, laugh at him or just cry because there really are people who think like that. Here you don't really meet any racist people. Yes we might say something racist but it's always said in a sarcastic way so we don't really mean it(Or atleast thats what I do). But my friend is serious...

So, do you have any racist friends and what do you think about them? Personally, I think I can't look at my friend the same way anymore...

I have mixed opinions on the subject given how some of my relatives are.

To be honest I think there is a lot of reactive racism going on right now. In general racism has been dead as a mainstream phenomena in the US for a while. The white majority generally being extremely tolerant and having worked tirelessly to pretty much put that spectre to rest.

The problem is though that outside of the mainstream US culture racism is alive and well. The central philosophies and cultures of most asian countries, especially China and Japan, are incredibly racist, as are those from The Middle East, and South and Central America. A common arguement today made by many minorities when questioned about things like "Latin Power" Bumper Stickers, T-shirts, etc... are that they aren't racist, they are merely pro-whatever race they are... and really political correctness means that as long as they are a minority this isn't questioned. The same can be said of the outlook and attitudes that lead to segregated communities like Chinatown districts and the like.

With all the Black Power, Latin Power, Asian Master Race stuff, aggressive pushes by Middle Easterners especially during a time of crisis, and similar things it's impossible to ignore the racial divides no matter what your personal philosophy might be. Today when you have so many racial lines being drawn by minorities your starting to see the white majority reacting pretty negatively to it.

It's like this, if you ask some guy with a "Latin Power" logo if he's racist he'll say "nah, but my race is better and I support it as such". A point of view which scarily is overlooked and let go, but is no real differant than some Yahoo decades ago doing the same thing in the name of "White Power".

Needless to say when you have this kind of thing going on as a constant societal issue it leads to tensions, not only because of whites not liking it, but because of minority groups not liking each other either. Clashes between Blacks, Latinos, and Asians are both frequent and exceedingly nasty, but tend not to get much press when racially motivated. Chinatown districts can be paticularly nasty when defending their sanctity from outsiders.

The problem of course is that the white majority ties it's own hands in dealing with these problems because of the self-taught perception that if we step in and say decide to step on these groups of people to quash the racism, we ourselves would thus be the bad guys. Our hands being tied by white guilt so to speak while we allow problems to continue to get worse because we're unwilling to basically enforce the same policies on everyone. Right now for example it's a big deal if a black family has a problem moving into a white neighborhood, but if a white family wants to move into Chinatown and has problems that's not treated the same way, and even off the issue of whites simply dealing with blacks and latinos moving into each others unofficial neighborhoods is a big deal. A lot of gang violence and such has gone down due to the wrong kinds of people wanting to move onto the wrong street.

In the end it comes down to the increasingly valid question of "why should I like (insert group other than your own here), when they don't like me? treat me like crap, and broadcast themselves as a superior master race". Sure every one of those things could have been said about old school white supremacists, and it was wrong and a problem then, just like it is now. If anything I think we're seeing the return of racism to the US in a new form that has little or nothing to do with the majority.

Of course then again as people have pointed out, whites will no longer be the majority in the USA in a few decades. I think a lot of people overlook this as well. With the attitudes I've seen from a lot of Latinos and such I very much expect to see a problem with a majorly racist majority again, but that's probably long enough down the road (beyond the simple numbers) where the next generation is going to experience dealing with the brunt of it, especially if we continue to ignore these social problems as too touchy.