This makes me fear our future.

[apomk2]

Same principle applies here , if someone doesn't like homosexuals, you can't force the person to like them, that is their right

You make it sound like "rights" are some kind of law of nature. They aren't. They are made up stuff put in place to help a society function. If they fail to do that, they need to be changed. Here in Germany, "insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population" is strictly illegal. Probably because our ancestors learned the hard way where it leads to if you let free speech run unchecked. It can't stop people from thinking that way, but it's quite helpful for stopping them from spreading their corrupted ideas, which are the sole reason why people start thinking that way in the first place. Nothing good comes from xenophobia or homophobia, so there is no reason for allowing it to exist.

You and I have every right to tell other Christians who soil the very good name we are that they can go eat a dick. Or even call them inhuman fuck douches. I'm catholic and I think people in my religion who do this are assho- No. BEYOND Assholes.

I'm willing to accept that many if not most Christians are good, decent people at heart. But I'm sorry to inform you that those Christians are still very much a big part of the problem. It's great to hear that your morals are so profound that you're capable of distancing yourself from the darker parts of the Bible, but even though you don't agree with all of it's message, and excuse the caps, YOU ARE STILL HELPING TO SPREAD ALL OF IT'S MESSAGE.

The difference between a fringe group of demented people and a World Religion is you. Those homophobic evangelicals might only be a very small minority, but they are backed by a silent majority that gives credence to their cause by identifying themselves with the same, completely hollow umbrella term that is "Christian". It's like saying even though you are proud to be a Nazi and happily wear their uniform and come to their meetings, you are very much opposed to the way they treat Jews, and actually expect absolution for saying so. They didn't just come up with homophobia (and antisemitism, by the way). It *IS* part of the Christian message.

 

[westcoast1313]

Well im not the most loving person when it come to gays but come on, that is just wrong...
Those people should be shot, hanged from a tree and dragged by a muscle car.

 

[Berithil]

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Crap, I had a feeling this would happen. Ok, I could go and tout " its against the bible so I'm against it". But that would make me a hypocrite (after all, I eat shrimp). My personal reasons for disagreeing with it are that its just seems... unnatural. It's a man and a woman for a reason (man + woman = children). The whole natural point of sex is for reproducing. Homosexuality kinda defeats that. In my opinion, two men or two women isn't the natural way. But like I said, if your gay, I don't have a beef with you personaly. But that's all just my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.

 

[Pandaman1911]

I'm at an utter loss for words. At least, any words that won't get me banned. So I'll just leave with "somebody needs to do something". The fact that this can happen in our country is reprehensible.

 

[Matthew Dunn]

I think i have never been more angry in my 20 years of living
This is why i hate this world
Im not gay myself but i have good friends who are and they are just like everyone else nothing is different about them
is this were to happen in my area there would be hell to pay

 

[Diablo1099_v1legacy]

Crap, I had a feeling this would happen. Ok, I could go and tout " its against the bible so I'm against it". But that would make me a hypocrite (after all, I eat shrimp). My personal reasons for disagreeing with it are that its just seems... unnatural. It's a man and a woman for a reason (man + woman = children). The whole natural point of sex is for reproducing. Homosexuality kinda defeats that. In my opinion, two men or two women isn't the natural way. But like I said, if your gay, I don't have a beef with you personaly. But that's all just my opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.

You sir...are a breath of fresh air.
You say you don't like the whole idea of Homosexuality but that you don't mind the people are Gay as a person.
This.
ThIs is what the US needs in place of those power hungry monsters hiding behind their bibles.

 

[BodomBeachChild]

It's always nice to have a reminder of why I abandoned religion all together. How many of these crusades against everything do these Bible-bashers wanna have?

 

[repeating integers]

Are we allowed to start a "Kill Michelle Bachmann" facebook page? Give her a tiny taste of the hatred these poor guys have to face every day due to her bigotry.

 

[Angry Camel]

This is why we can't have nice things. To sit back and let students be emotionally abused to the point of suicide is nothing short of an utter failure of the local heads of authority there. Then they have the gall to try and direct all the blame back onto these students to try and bolster their own argument. I'm glad I've got the Pacific Ocean between me and then.

 

[apomk2]

My personal reasons for disagreeing with it are that its just seems... unnatural. It's a man and a woman for a reason (man + woman = children). The whole natural point of sex is for reproducing. Homosexuality kinda defeats that. In my opinion, two men or two women isn't the natural way.

That's a bit of a silly thing to say, since it implies that nature has a point or a reason, and that there is such a thing as "unnatural". Implications that are very much debatable.

Would you consider a fish trying to leave water and walk on their stubby fins natural? Isn't a fish "supposed" to be in the water? Well guess what, it's thanks to that crazy fish that you and me exist.

There is no such thing as "unnatural". To quote George Carlin on a different issue, it's a "meaningless, fucking term". Nature doesn't care what you do with it. Otherwise, wearing clothes, practising agriculture or driving a car would just be as unnatural.

I agree with the rather obvious conclusion that homosexual sex doesn't help with producing offspring. But how is that an argument? Most sex practised today in the western world doesn't help with producing offspring, that doesn't mean that there is a problem with it. Homosexual couples are very much capable and willing of raising children (which is arguably much more of an issue nowadays than merely producing them is), if society would just let them.

You're obviously not required to participate in homosexual.. activities, but implying that homosexuals are doing something wrong is, without trying to be inciting, pretty ignorant.

TL;DR: You do use condoms, don't you? So what was your argument again?

 

[spartan231490]

Meh. congratulations, another kid gets bullied, another school can't do anything about it, welcome to life. Oh wait, I'm supposed to be pissed because they're taunting her for her sexual orientation? Like being called a dyke is so much worse than being called anything else? Bullshit. Wait, I'm supposed to be shocked that bullying is happening. hahahahaha. Oh wait, you're SERIOUS, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHA.

Bullying will always happen, it's human nature. Life sucks, and the world doesn't give one whit about your feelings, no matter what they say on some stupid tv program. You might as well get used to it early, the world is going to be doing hurtful things to you your entire life.

We will never be able to do anything about this problem until we admit the underlying problems in our own nature. Human beings are selfish, cruel, malicious animals that thrive on conflict. Denying it doesn't make it go away, only once we accept it can we actually do anything to stop the behavior that stems from it.

 

[LetalisK]

Minnesota Family Council president Tom Prichard blogged that Justin's suicide could only be blamed upon one thing: his gayness. "Youth who embrace homosexuality are at greater risk [of suicide], because they've embraced an unhealthy sexual identity and lifestyle," Prichard wrote.

This guy's head.

On a platter.

NOW.

Asked on a radio program whether the anti-gay agenda of her ilk bore any responsibility for the bullying and suicides, Barb Anderson, co-author of the original "No Homo Promo," held fast to her principles, blaming pro-gay groups for the tragedies. She explained that such "child corruption" agencies allow "quote-unquote gay kids" to wrongly feel legitimized. "And then these kids are locked into a lifestyle with their choices limited, and many times this can be disastrous to them as they get into the behavior which leads to disease and death," Anderson said. She added that if LGBT kids weren't encouraged to come out of the closet in the first place, they wouldn't be in a position to be bullied.

Hers too.

And yes, I am going to say I would've done something. These are students being bullied literally to death. The reason for the bullying is fucking irrelevant.

Um, okay? I mean, I was only fantasizing about it, but if you're ordering me to, I'll go do it. Just know if I get caught, you're an accessory before the fact.

 

[Lazier Than Thou]

Ah, the intolerance of intolerance. People calling for the heads of people calling for heads. Death threats, demanding violence because of death threats and demands for violence. Fighting fire with fire for all the right reasons.

You can't kill hate with hate, people. It doesn't work. It just creates more hate until everyone decides it's time to start hurting people for realsies.

Do I love the people that have hurt that community so badly? No. Honestly, I have contempt for them, because I don't know them as people, I know them for their actions. Their actions are horrendous and painful and it makes me angry.

I don't love them and that makes me a bad Christian, but it also makes me human. To be Christian is to push away that humanity and try to view people as human beings. Frail, inherently corrupt, and mortal, but still children of the Divine. They have beauty, they have dreams, they have loves, happiness, sadness, anger, pity, empathy, nightmares, pains, hates, ugliness, and mercy. You cannot see them that way, because the story is not told for you to see them that way.

You see them as the merciless hate bots they're supposed to be, because a political message is being sent. And let's face it; you don't hate Conservatives that love and give to the poor. You don't hate Christians that reach out to homosexuals as brothers and sisters in Christ. You hate faceless, nameless people that do things that may or may not be true. You hate the intolerance of others, showing your own very precious hypocrisies in doing so.

You will not change them with your hate, but you might be able to show them a better way through love.

Christ hung out with whore, drunks, and tax collectors. He had nothing but disdain for the 'religious'.

Christ loved and died for all men. He died for the sins of the people who whipped him. He died for the people who sent him to his death for being the Son of God. He died for the people who crucified him.

By saying that Christ hated any people, you are no better than the "God hates fags" people. You are the one you hate. Congratulations.

 

[spartan231490]

Are we allowed to start a "Kill Michelle Bachmann" facebook page? Give her a tiny taste of the hatred these poor guys have to face every day due to her bigotry.

Do you realize how pointless and just plain wrong it is to blame her. Of course, it can't be the kids fault for bullying other. It can't be the fault of the faculty for allowing it to happen. It can't be the fault of the parents for raising children who don't know better. No, all this is the fault of one lone bigot, everyone else is completely innocent in this. I mean, who could help it, she's their congresswoman, they have to do what she says. All their power of free will is drained away by the sheer intensity of one woman's belief.

Bullshit. Every single one of those faculty members, and students, and parents made choices, they are the ones to blame. You can say it's caused by the atmosphere, and you'd be right, but that atmosphere only exists because of the choices made by the individuals. It all comes back to them and their choices. Moving the blame elsewhere is one of the main reasons that this shit continues to happen, because the people involved never have to feel guilty, and never have to face the consequences of their actions.

 

[Korten12]

*massive snip*

Don't just tell them to respect gays, teach them exactly WHY they should respect gays. Try to educate them. And failing that, yeah, just throw 'em in prison. But you can't just deal with an undesirable part of humanity by killing them all. How is that any more constructive then what they would do to the gays? Maybe I'm just being idealistic here, but there's gotta be some kind of middle ground between total acceptance and murder. The healthy human mind is a reasonable thing. It all comes down to education.

In a perfect world... Or more so a better part of the world, I would say that teaching them would be the correct manor. But as the moment is, if they have already gone this far (which is farther then most homophobic's, as far as I know) then trying to teach them may just be impossible.

 

[Orks da best]

Good god. I'm Christian, and I still want to tell those people to go eat a dick.

You and I have every right to tell other Christians who soil the very good name we are that they can go eat a dick. Or even call them inhuman fuck douches. I'm catholic and I think people in my religion who do this are assho- No. BEYOND Assholes.

As a Christan, I almost want to go there... With a AK47 and say: "You guys gave up your rights as Human beings" and then mow them down. Normally I am a one who hates fighting (outside Video Games granted) but this is just fucking sick.

Oh, for fucks sake.

I mean, are you guys doing this on purpose? "Those homophobic, needlessly violent dick-eaters! WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL WITH MACHINE GUNS." Do you even see what's wrong with that??

well do they care for the loss of life, do they, or do they care only care for the safty of their jobs?

Since they choose the later, they should be purged with extreme prejudice.

 

[dantoddd]

I think hatred/dislike towards homosexuals is somewhat of a inborn disposition. Human nature would have to change on a fundamental, almost chemical, level before full acceptance of the gay community is achieved. I myself have feelings of dislike towards homosexuals for almost no reason and against logic. I shed no tears for the hardships they face and generally wish they would go the hell away. In other words, if you're born gay, tough. People aren't going to like you, and people of a similar mindset to you are going to be in an eternal minority.

That sounds like an awfully pathetic excuse for not having the balls to face up to your own prejudice. Maybe you should seriously consider some professional advice on how to approach this apparent prejudice of yours.

And contrary to what you may think, hatred for gays isn't fundamental to humans. Many straight people including myself don't hate gays. And a lot of us enjoy lesbian porn quite a bit.

 

[Muspelheim]

I think hatred/dislike towards homosexuals is somewhat of a inborn disposition. Human nature would have to change on a fundamental, almost chemical, level before full acceptance of the gay community is achieved. I myself have feelings of dislike towards homosexuals for almost no reason and against logic. I shed no tears for the hardships they face and generally wish they would go the hell away. In other words, if you're born gay, tough. People aren't going to like you, and people of a similar mindset to you are going to be in an eternal minority.

Quisling.

Please don't read this and think all of Minnesota is like this. Please! It's a really great place to live. I actually live in fucking Bachman's district and I didn't vote for her. I'm just throwing it out there that MN is a pretty liberal state but unfortunately I've seen a rise in what isn't really conservatism but more like stupidism.

Don't worry, I understand. From what little I know, Minnesota seems a rather alright place. Sure, this is something I'd expect from some miserable hellhole in Kansas or something, but I suppose there's at least one Fortress Bigotry in each state.

Hopefully, things will change. Stupidity isn't the sturdiest of foundations.

As for the calling for her head on a platter and for violence in general, well... On my part, it's just my fury speaking. Of course it wouldn't solve anything, and it'd be even more tragic. But there's only so much tolerance towards others' groundless hatred towards you that you can bear before you need to vent.

 

[Wintermoot]

Good god. I'm Christian, and I still want to tell those people to go eat a dick.

these people aren't christians.
these people use religion as a excuse to hate people that are different.

 

[spartan231490]

Ah, the intolerance of intolerance. People calling for the heads of people calling for heads. Death threats, demanding violence because of death threats and demands for violence. Fighting fire with fire for all the right reasons.

You can't kill hate with hate, people. It doesn't work. It just creates more hate until everyone decides it's time to start hurting people for realsies.

Do I love the people that have hurt that community so badly? No. Honestly, I have contempt for them, because I don't know them as people, I know them for their actions. Their actions are horrendous and painful and it makes me angry.

I don't love them and that makes me a bad Christian, but it also makes me human. To be Christian is to push away that humanity and try to view people as human beings. Frail, inherently corrupt, and mortal, but still children of the Divine. They have beauty, they have dreams, they have loves, happiness, sadness, anger, pity, empathy, nightmares, pains, hates, ugliness, and mercy. You cannot see them that way, because the story is not told for you to see them that way.

You see them as the merciless hate bots they're supposed to be, because a political message is being sent. And let's face it; you don't hate Conservatives that love and give to the poor. You don't hate Christians that reach out to homosexuals as brothers and sisters in Christ. You hate faceless, nameless people that do things that may or may not be true. You hate the intolerance of others, showing your own very precious hypocrisies in doing so.

You will not change them with your hate, but you might be able to show them a better way through love.

Christ hung out with whore, drunks, and tax collectors. He had nothing but disdain for the 'religious'.

Christ loved and died for all men. He died for the sins of the people who whipped him. He died for the people who sent him to his death for being the Son of God. He died for the people who crucified him.

By saying that Christ hated any people, you are no better than the "God hates fags" people. You are the one you hate. Congratulations.

Dude, you're not gonna get any respect for this kind of message on this site. This community is aggressively and intolerantly atheist, which is kinda funny when you take that in context with the responses to this thread. Not trying to tear you down, just letting you know that you will probably get bombarded by quotes telling you how idiotic you are for believing in god, or how ridiculous the very idea is.

Anyway, you're a better man than me. I hate them and I'm proud of it. I'm a christian but I believe in culpability above all things. I don't find anything morally wrong with hating people who have done something detestable. Each of them made a choice, likely many choices, and they should face the consequences of those choices.

It's always nice to have a reminder of why I abandoned religion all together. How many of these crusades against everything do these Bible-bashers wanna have?

It's nice how in one breath you blame religion, many of which preach tolerance and love above all things, and then blame the actual culprits, those people who take that belief to far. You need to blame them, not religion, without religion they would believe in something else. If they believe in the government, they're facists. If they believe in themselves, they're psychopaths. ect. It is the believers who are dangerous. The people who can believe so hard as to ignore the overall message of a thing in order to use it as justification for their own petty meanness.

Same principle applies here , if someone doesn't like homosexuals, you can't force the person to like them, that is their right

You make it sound like "rights" are some kind of law of nature. They aren't. snip

debatable. "We believe that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator, with certain inalienable rights." As you can see, the US was founded on the principle that those rights are natural. That's why Locke called them natural rights. And they are. You cannot, by any power you could gain on this earth, prevent me from speaking. even if you gagged me, I could speak. You might not understand what I say, but I could speak.

It is a right I have that can never be taken, unless you take my life. You can punish me for doing so, but you can't prevent me from doing so. As simple causality can force me to live with the consequences of my actions, good or bad, then punishment after the fact is not enough to say that it isn't a right.

Living in a small, conservative town I can promise you this isn't an isolated incident. At my district alone there's been at least 2 other suicides in the past few years due to the tight-knit community's ability to alienate someone to such a degree that they see no other option but taking their own life. These places are pockets of hell on earth that take two steps back in human development for civilized society's one step forward. Man do I hate right-wing small towns and the cult-cloaked-as-christian religious freaks that inhabit them. Thank God they're *somewhat* few and far between.

wow, could you make a more sweeping generalization. I grew up in a tiny conservative right-wing town and nobody has killed themselves because of bullying there. There are several LGBT people in that community and they aren't bullied any worse than the rest of us. Same with non-whites, there were several but they were actually quite popular for the most part. Hell, I don't think any of them were bullied anywhere near as bad as me, and I'm a WASP.

Furthermore, bullying happens everywhere, not just small towns. It's a product of human nature, not location.