Are you saying that you otherwise aint happy about being born in Europe!? Jokes aside, what you speak of is the truth. It aint nearly as bad over here (atleast compared to what one gets to hear about)Blargh McBlargh said:
This makes me fear our future.
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The only way to actually debate this would be to go into God territory, which I myself find to be somewhat of a waste of time. If the Constitution happened to for whatever reason grant you the right to kill anyone whose face you don't like, would you still argue that that right should be inalienable, because, well, the Constitution said so?spartan231490 said:
Sickening. I'm appalled that the teachers essentially stood back with their arms crossed and "not my business." What's more horrifying is that the extreme religious right could influence schools to the point of causing this catastrophe. I don't want to turn this into religion-bashing, but these people are some of the worst that religion has to offer.
I realise that, but I think we have to start somewhere. She's the "head" of all this - and probably the most dangerous, too, being a congresswoman (the fact that people with these views are still capable of getting to such high places in developed countries depresses me). I imagine, too, that if we did start this facebook page, then the subject of "discussion" wouldn't stay confined to Bachmann alone.spartan231490 said:
Still, yes, they're all equally, disgustingly to blame. The fact that some of them still have the gall to blame the gays themselves for all these suicides makes me wan to do something unpleasant.
I don't need respect and if people hate me for preaching tolerance then that's what will happen.spartan231490 said:
Yes, people will be judged for their actions. That does not give you the right to hate them for it. In fact, Christ was pretty specific on what to do about the whole thing.
Matthew 7:1 said:
Do your thing. I understand the desire to hate. But God's not going to leave you blameless for it. Honestly, your hate will only hurt you in the end. I'd suggest giving it up.Matthew 5:44 said:
Holy citations, Batman! Let's see some goddamn references here, buddy. 13 percent of hetero students attempt suicide? I call ultra bullshit.
What's weird is how all of this resonates in gay-friendly environments like California. I live in San Diego County, where homosexuals are widely accepted as equals. The 51% that voted for Prop 8 live mostly in silence or in the Central Valley (which actually had towns that seceded to the South in the Civil War, so there's that). Here, you're more likely to have friends BECAUSE you are gay. It's like we're trying to overcompensate for all the midwest and southern communities that have such rampant anti-gay problems. It actually starts to cause resentment towards gay individuals because they have that sassy, obnoxious demeanor that glorifies homosexuality almost to the point where they make you feel inferior for NOT being gay.
It's kind of funny, during all that Day of Silence stuff, at my college there's always an LGBT booth with people who have tape all over their mouths just doing nothing. I have a gay friend, and last time we saw that, we walked up pretending to be ignorant. He looked at the banner and in his best gay voice (which he had to force; he sounds like every other dude) flatly asked, "What are these faggots doing?"
They all glared at him while I tried my best not to smile.
"Probably just being gay as shit," I answered.
Then we held hands and walked away. The point we were making is that sitting in a gay-friendly community and making these protests doesn't help anyone. It's just a way to attach yourself to some form of activism that's easy to side with. Unless you have some radical religious standpoint, you should be against gay kids being bullied. It's not hard. The only way you can actually make a difference is to maybe sign some petitions for the Obama Administration to look into this kind of thing. Protests, parades, rallies, etc don't do ANYTHING to help a child who is thinking of suicide. He's not standing in the streets of San Francisco or San Diego to see them. He's trapped in the halls of an Evangelical-run high school in Minnesota. Only legislation and reform will help him.
It's kind of funny, during all that Day of Silence stuff, at my college there's always an LGBT booth with people who have tape all over their mouths just doing nothing. I have a gay friend, and last time we saw that, we walked up pretending to be ignorant. He looked at the banner and in his best gay voice (which he had to force; he sounds like every other dude) flatly asked, "What are these faggots doing?"
They all glared at him while I tried my best not to smile.
"Probably just being gay as shit," I answered.
Then we held hands and walked away. The point we were making is that sitting in a gay-friendly community and making these protests doesn't help anyone. It's just a way to attach yourself to some form of activism that's easy to side with. Unless you have some radical religious standpoint, you should be against gay kids being bullied. It's not hard. The only way you can actually make a difference is to maybe sign some petitions for the Obama Administration to look into this kind of thing. Protests, parades, rallies, etc don't do ANYTHING to help a child who is thinking of suicide. He's not standing in the streets of San Francisco or San Diego to see them. He's trapped in the halls of an Evangelical-run high school in Minnesota. Only legislation and reform will help him.
Let's just throw out all these damn pastors and priests that brainwash people into thinking that everybody is going to hell, and making people into the biggest assholes in the world.
For those thinking that it goes against the right of free speech, free speech should be a privilege, not a right. You can't go up and yell at Blacks and Asians all day about how they're inferior animals, so you shouldn't be able to yell at gay people about how they are abominations, especially not kids.
That's the worst part here, they're yelling at kids here, making them believe they're absolutely worthless, and then Bachmann defended that anti-gay legislation probably so that bullies can go after gays.
For those thinking that it goes against the right of free speech, free speech should be a privilege, not a right. You can't go up and yell at Blacks and Asians all day about how they're inferior animals, so you shouldn't be able to yell at gay people about how they are abominations, especially not kids.
That's the worst part here, they're yelling at kids here, making them believe they're absolutely worthless, and then Bachmann defended that anti-gay legislation probably so that bullies can go after gays.
I find it kind of inspiring. Don't get me wrong, the fact that the kids had to 'fight back' in the first place is just plain wrong - but it does give you some hope in the future of places like that when people are prepared to take a stand against such bigotry.
Religion is the excuse. Humanity is the cause.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
There are no shortages of excuses for people to hate each other, religion has very little to do with it.
i have no issue with religion until they try to push there beliefs on others and affect other peoples lives who want anything to do with it. unfortunately that happens way too often.
i read the whole thing and i am sickened.
i am kinda speechless so i will let professor farnsworth do the talking for now while i think
edit:thinking done
don't Christians claim how god is about love, tolerance, and stuff like that?
if that is the case they are not Christians; they are just ass holes who are pretending to be Christians.
or maybe that love and tolerance thing is a lie
what the hell do i know i am not religious at all. i would say i am agnostic atheist.
i would like to think they feel sorry for the deaths they caused but honestly the kids in the school probably celebrates the death of gays. i really hate religious extremists
i read the whole thing and i am sickened.
i am kinda speechless so i will let professor farnsworth do the talking for now while i think
edit:thinking done
don't Christians claim how god is about love, tolerance, and stuff like that?
if that is the case they are not Christians; they are just ass holes who are pretending to be Christians.
or maybe that love and tolerance thing is a lie
what the hell do i know i am not religious at all. i would say i am agnostic atheist.
i would like to think they feel sorry for the deaths they caused but honestly the kids in the school probably celebrates the death of gays. i really hate religious extremists
Combustion Kevin said:
After reading that, I had to take a few minutes to calm down and keep myself from vomiting in disgust. I'd write more of how I feel about this, but this is probably all I can manage before going into full-on rant mode and spending twenty minutes writing angry things about conservative Christians, and I don't want banned.
1) I said creator, not god. If you believe that humans evolved(I do) than the argument is equally valid. We do not need to debate god at all, you need to debate whether a certain right is inherent in a human being. If it can't be taken away, it is inherent, and as I've already shown, freedom of speech is inherent because you can't take it away. Many of the rights are like that.apomk2 said:
2) I never mentioned the constitution. That was a quote from the declaration of independence, and if that isn't a condemnation of education I don't know what is. I don't need to mention the constitution because I am not debating law, I was merely pointing out that an entire country was founded on the ideal that every single human being is born with some rights.
3) Nice hyperbole at the end there, but that's not what I said. That's not even what I implied. In fact, it's not even close.
I read the whole thing, probably a first for me, but it was a hell of a tearjerker.
Anyhow, it doesn't make me fear our future, in fact, it makes me look forward to it, as shit like that is being outlawed, and overall stomped on in our society.
For shit to be eliminated shit must first exist.
Anyhow, it doesn't make me fear our future, in fact, it makes me look forward to it, as shit like that is being outlawed, and overall stomped on in our society.
For shit to be eliminated shit must first exist.
I genuinely cannot describe the sheer rage I feel when I see shit like this. Everyone involved in the bullying, including the teachers, need to get a comprehensive and extreme beating as revenge for ruining and killing these children. Let them feel the pain they dispensed.