Thor Is Getting Gender-Flipped. Officially.
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You can't have a problem with the story and writing because no ones read it yet.BloodSquirrel said:
I'll agree the announcement method is scummy, I mean seriously? The View? that's like announcing a new Sex and the City movie at Comic Con, it's just confused and pointless, as for "stunt writing" no matter what Marvel did they'd get flack of the announcement, so announce it now and give people time to get over it.
The reason Comics aren't taken seriously and can't be treated like a grown up medium is because ostensibly, mainline Marvel books aren't a grown up medium, they are fanciful escapism for the young and old alike with a little social commentary and metaphor thrown in for those who want it. We aren't talking Maus, Sandman or Empowered here. We're talking drug PSA's, a little bit of the "world can be harsh and complicated" and a boat load of "but anyone can be the hero".
Comics are like books, some are serious, some are funny, some are clever and some are just a means of escapism, it doesn't take away from the quality of the medium at hand. A lot of this reeks of "I don't like where they are going with this so anyone who does is an asshole" and I admit my post comes across that way, because when I made it on that original site, I was dealing with assholes, but let's not pretend this is a social justice issue, in fact I went out of my way to point out that it isn't.
As for other media tipping their hand early: Are you so sure about that? Maybe a decade ago sure, but now, there's no way to keep story details from leaking, so you announce it yourself or you have "Ain't it Cool" spoil the announcement.
an article explains but in the mythology odin states that "whosoever can weild this hammer shall be worthy and be called thor" So if "thor" is deemed unworthy he will no longer be usin that name.
So it makes sense.
On topic this might be the revamp I need to get back into thor comics. I mean not that gender matters but when stuff like this happens they do other things that freshen the comic up and as I said in a previous post my old mainstays cap and thor have been boring for a minute now.
So it makes sense.
On topic this might be the revamp I need to get back into thor comics. I mean not that gender matters but when stuff like this happens they do other things that freshen the comic up and as I said in a previous post my old mainstays cap and thor have been boring for a minute now.
Yeah, have to call bull**** on this one: it kind of is just a little bit of a threat to people, when it heavily influences legislation and may be a significant reason why someone loses opportunities in life, or experiences some form of harm.Rellik San said:
e.g.
- Not being promoted despite being the most qualified person for a job, because of laws preventing the promotion of a man.
- The general lowering of standards for women in many areas so that they may succeed ahead of more capable men.
- The fact women can't be paid less than men, even though they have the right to stop working any time they please to have a child and receive benefits for doing so and cannot be demoted when returning to work, despite this obviously being a negative factor in someone's value as an employee, and men not having this right.
- Women and women only having the right not to become parents in case of pregnancy, even though it involves the complication of an actual medical procedure, compared to merely allowing men not to take on financial responsibility for something they never wanted in the first place.
- Women as a group receiving virtually all of the protection from domestic violence and virtually none of the blame, in spite of causing half of it and most of it when it's one-sided. Leads to people believing man-on-woman DV is more common, and a system that results in very little evidence required for suspicion/conviction of a man.
- Let's not even begin to discuss divorce.
All from a feminist agenda that we should apparently just ignore because it's insignificant and only trying (and succeeding) to convince governments to provide advantages for a group that hold those very governments' fates in their hands.
Not in a million years would any such gender privileges be even considered to be even discussed for men, no matter how it was packaged up or presented.
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to ignore an extremist group that promotes the prioritization of the welfare of the majority of the people who elect governments, and have succeeded in enacting legislation which does just that to the detriment of the rest of the society, of which I am a part, essentially just because... "Oh, they're only women, let's ignore them because as we all know: women are no threat and have no influence in society because I say so and no I won't provided any form of evidence whatsoever for anything I say."
On the more relevant subject at hand though...
Still, seems a bad idea to actually put that technicality into action though :/
Unless it's temporary, and just designed to garner attention...
...which it almost certainly is.
That does seem to make sense.rbstewart7263 said:
Still, seems a bad idea to actually put that technicality into action though :/
Unless it's temporary, and just designed to garner attention...
...which it almost certainly is.
False. The ability to smell crap without sticking your nose in it is a must-have skill. The entire point of releasing information about a story ahead of time is so that people will form an opinion on it. The marketer hopes that it is a positive one, but they've got no right to demand that it is.Rellik San said:
Or they could, you know, not announce it at all. That's what you do when you're not stunt writing. And if you find yourself in a situation where your audience needs time to "get over" your writing then it's probably time to get out of the business of writing. Again, what other medium regularly and knowingly does things so stupid that they need to announce them ahead of time to let the audience get used to how bad they are before the actual show/movie/book comes out?Rellik San said:
Escapism doesn't have to immature and awful. There have even been superhero comics that weren't. Hell, how many comics are even escapism anymore? One More Day sure as fuck wasn't. The Dark Knight and The Avengers have managed to get themselves taken seriously despite covering the same kind of material as their sources.Rellik San said:
Comic books aren't taken seriously because the industry evolved to be ever more inward-facing, primarily concerned with appealing only to comic book fans, eventually having those fans be the ones to take over in Marvel and DC and bring a lot of awful fanboy tendencies with them. Instead of stories that are allowed to grow organically or have their direction planned out ahead of time we're constantly lurching from one big stunt to the next.
They've been pretty transparent about the motivations behind this.Rellik San said:
"The new Thor continues Marvel's proud tradition of strong female characters like Captain Marvel, Storm, Black Widow and more. And this new Thor isn't a temporary female substitute - she's now the one and only Thor, and she is worthy!"
Yes I'm sure. They're shooting a new Star Wars movie right now and there's been dick all announced about its story.Rellik San said:
There's female Judges, but there's no female Dredd. Or at least no Female Judge Joe Dredd. They're not genderswapped versions of the character Judge Joe Dredd.GZGoten said:
They're police officers, so Judge is the same as Officer in the real world.
Anyone else taking up the mantle of Judge becomes Judge...whatever their second name is. Judge Hershey, Judge Anderson, Judge Mcgruder etc. There could be a female Judge called "Judge Dredd", if Joe Dredd has children, but that would be because her second name is Dredd. That wouldn't make her, nor any of the other female Judges "female versions of Judge Dredd". Judge Joe Dredd is just one Judge on a force of Judges.
Judge Dredd just happens to be the focus character. Other characters are not gender swaps or immitations of him. Having this new woman being called Thor makes no sense, Thor is his NAME, his title is the only thing that can be passed on, which is The God(dess) of Thunder. Furthermore:
Finn and Fionna are the same /character/, but their gender has been swapped, the only difference is their biology and their sexuality. Judge Anderson isn't a genderswapped version of Judge Dredd, she's her own character, with her own backstory, personality and motivations. Judges are also a terrible comparison, because of their position as police officers, not superheroes who chose their names and where there's only one for example, Superman, but many Judges.
For a superhero example when Dick Greyson became Batman, he inherited the /title/ of Batman, but his name didn't change to Bruce Wayne, because that would be stupid and nonsensical.
Too late, the Ultimate universe gender flipped Peter Parker some time ago. Technically (before the Now! reboot) Peter Parker is still alive in that universe along with Miles. This is old news but I'll spoil tag it to be polite for those who still may not know.OrokuSaki said:
OT: My two cents, I'm disappointed. Lady Thor is a cheap move to me. Why? First, a lady thor already exists [http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thor_Girl](congrats on doing your homework writers. Honest congrats if this turns out to be her, sarcasm if not). Secondly, Marvel (and DC) is bursting to "the gills" with female characters but the powers that be don't have the aptitude and courage to use them.
What about Felicia Hardy(Black Cat)? Being augmented with the soldier serum, she is Steve Rogers equal. Maybe she should've been U.S. Agent instead creating a new male character for that role.
What of Tigra? White Tigress? Why not bring Ororo, Emma or Domino back to the forefront? A lot of girls were created during the X-Men Academy run, why not use any of those(like my fave' Surge)?
What of Psylocke? It doesn't get any better than an ethnic/racial-bent psychic ninja. One of my favorite characters and origin stories. (I'll admit it is a bit twisted)
More Black Widow can only help at this point.
Want more ethnic diversity like Kamala Khan(Ms. Marvel)? Bring back the Afghanistani Sooraya Qadir(Dust). Having a positive character from that region would be a big plus. Would be awesome to see more Elektra as well.
Even Jessica Danvers(Ms./Cptn Marvel) was tossed into obscurity before she was brought back decades later. Stop doing stuff like that. Also don't drop Yuri Watanabe, as the Wraith, into obscurity as well. A female detective using Mysterio's gear is pretty cool.
My rant is done but check this link out for more. Women of the Marvel-verse [http://marvel.com/universe/Category:Women]
a.k.a. "Jessica Drew". The character was named "Jessica" but when she woke up for the first time she acted like Peter's mind trapped in a girl's body. S/he rejected the idea of a female persona being forced on him/her.
I was hoping that's what you were thinking and that my post would clear things up. Thank you for listening!Lunncal said:
Yeah, we'll have to see how they do it to begin with and how they handle it going forward. I think this particular situation is more blatant because Thor isn't just Thor of Marvel fame. Thor is a mythical figure from a culture they appropriated. Unlike most of the other male characters, this is the one that's been male for over a thousand years. We gave references of the Germanic people talking about Thor during the Roman era and by that time Thor was frequently mentioned meaning his history spans that much further in the past.
So, to that effect, this is an even bigger slight against men than had IronMan become IronWarrior with breasts.
We also have a problem people seem to completely ignore. Yes, there are female comic book readers, but in general we may have run into a scenario where there is a significant difference of preference by gender in aggregate. What I mean is that we've found quantifiable differences of preference by gender regarding literature, TV, and movies. Maybe the best way to cater to women isn't just to ape something traditionally aimed at men so much as beginning to write comics that actually directly cater to women. I don't know what that would be or look like. But we do know that the action/adventure genres in movies and literature typically get passed over by females (again, in aggregate) and that's basically the genre Thor and all the big names have been.putowtin said:
The way to attract a demographic is to make things they want. Not to slap an identifiable character in place of something they don't want. Trying to be PC shouldn't make us incapable of recognizing and celebrating our differences. Yet it makes pointing out differences generally taboo and in my eyes that's just as wrong a way for society to go as it was to give preference to one set of differences.
Yes, but as you'll notice, none of them have, or at least use, the last name Dredd. Judge is his official title, like Officer or Constable, while Dredd is his real last name. If he ever quit the force, he'd still be Joe Dredd. Here, I'll reference you Another post:votemarvel said:
+1 to the above post.elvor0 said:
You know, there are other female Norse god characters that the universe has in place that were already badass characters. Sif will mess you up, sucka! There's also Brunnhilde (Valkarie).Dead Raen said:
They didn't have to alter Thor to have badass female godlike characters.
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In my personal opinion. Sif was already 10x more badass than Thor ever was. And yet, no, she doesn't get a fair shake in it either.
Gender role and physical sex are two separate things. That was the male Thor in a woman's body not Thor fully as a woman mentally and physically. The transgendered community would appreciate that distinction.God said:By the way this isn't the first time this has happened in a previous comic called earth x. In which Loki tricked Odin to transform Thor into a woman as a punishment.
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well my whole point in posting that was really to illustrate they did it before. How long this series lasted however I have no clue since I only own two or three of the comics.Lightknight said:Gender role and physical sex are two separate things. That was the male Thor in a woman's body not Thor fully as a woman mentally and physically. The transgendered community would appreciate that distinction.God said:By the way this isn't the first time this has happened in a previous comic called earth x. In which Loki tricked Odin to transform Thor into a woman as a punishment.
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