That is very strange. One of the most common aspects of plots about the extremes of revenge is how the person seeking it becomes tunnel visioned on it and it begins to dominate their personality and actions. The story is said to be about brutal revenge yet they're trying to have their cake and eat it too it seems?
I must say that I find you reactions here incredibly heartening to me. You were very much against the rhetoric that the story is bad but after playing the game you are giving an honest opinion of it even if it goes against what you were hoping for. I find that very respectable.
Probably has something to do with Druckmann being Jewish himself, and growing up in Israel. Also I remember reading that Dina’s model is Jewish, so there’s some personal representation they’re threading into the game.
I wasn't against the rhetoric that the story was bad, I was against the rhetoric 'game is bad cuz gay/SJW'. And I still am against that, because it's stupid. But from what I was seeing tone wise I could already sense I wasn't going to like it. I just didn't know how fucking awful it was going to get.
Mmmmmmm, bigot snadwiches. Put some of those mushrooms that the clicking guy has growing out of his face in there as well, delicious.
Yeah no sorry, Druckmann needed to leave that shit at the door. If he wanted to reference it he shouldn't have approached it be literally going 'Look, the Holocaust and our zombie apocalypse are pretty much the same. That's how you can tell our fictional world is just super legit.' It also smacks of an underhanded way to staunch any criticism.
I would say that there's a lot of people, myself included in many respects, that see a lot of "SJW" stuff to be people hiding behind a movement or "muh themes" in order to excuse their poor talent or behavior rather than actual passion behind the things they champion. I don't really have a problem with the championing of people being mistreated, I just have a distrust that the people doing the championing are doing so in good faith. But because they are using these groups and people as both their shield and battering ram, all most people see is that group rather than the ones using it.
Oh it's only right wingers and Chuds who don't like dark and gritty?
No, these channels make a big deal out nothing. Like when the She-Ra series became a thing, and all these morons freaked the fuck out. Or when the Harley Quinn cartoon made a little jab at rich, white people. They're geared to pounching on anything they see as people trying to create a bit more diverity in media and laughing at it or being flat-out hostile. The same happened with TLoU2 pre release hate. Just because the game turned out to be a gangantuan pile of manure doesn't change how hateful and homophobic/transphobic these people were and still are.
I really wish we still had the laugh emoji for posts like this. That neck snap sound is a nice touch, but I can see it going from wince-inducing to being almost comical after the hundredth or so time. Is she the one that kills Joel? All my twisted sense of humor can picture now is her doing a most muscular pose afterwards all up in Ellie’s face.
I will have to disagree but I don't think either of us will get anywhere with each other on this particular topic.
I actually felt the very same about Uncharted 3 when playing. Every single character is telling Drake to stop the adventure because Sully is old and could die. And, it all does make perfect sense, Drake can just go home and the villain isn't going to win or cause the end of the world or anything. Every gunfight and action set-piece didn't feel fun because of the guilt of continuing on with Sully and for really no reason (other than one-upping someone else really). The other aspect of it that made it even worse is that Sully isn't even consistent in his character from the very last game where he opted out of the adventure because he was too old and now he'll literally go anywhere with Drake no matter what. Anyway, I'm sure Uncharted 3 pales in comparison to what happens in TLOU2 (I haven't read any spoiler text) but the sense of you can't continue on the Naughty Dog formula is rather similar.
Oh does it ever. I actually finished Uncharted 3, even again recently. But TLoU2 I got about 4 hours into, and I'm never touching this shitstain ever again.
Could it not possibly be that the actual reason they were mad at the game were the reason to be mad at it and knowing that diversity characters and inclusion would likely be used to shield it from any criticism or downplay criticisms of it. E.G. How James Rofle (AVGN) saying he wouldn't go to see Ghostbusters 2016 caused a load of publications to throw hissy fits calling him a woman hater and mocking him because he said basically "The trailers look bad, there's a lot of controversy round this I have no interest in seeing it or taking part in the nonsense controversy that will happen round reviews". It's happened a lot of places. People mostly weren't mad American Chavez was made to be a Latino a Lesbian from the Utopian Lesbian dimension, they were annoyed she was written so badly and her powers just often being whatever powers were needed to save the day even if she never had those powers or used them before E.G. her power to punch through time itself.
