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[Spartan Bannana]

Carl's posts were deleted, that's why.
He said things the mods didn't want people to hear, that's why.
Face it, the Escapist is becoming oppressive, and not in the militant way, but in the, delicate voice, "Stay a while and eat our special cake" way.

 

[Brett Alex]

Ooh--good call.

The guys who signed up just to criticize the preview seemed to think so

 

[Ultrajoe]

Carl's posts were deleted, that's why.
He said things the mods didn't want people to hear, that's why.
Face it, the Escapist is becoming oppressive, and not in the militant way, but in the, delicate voice, "Stay a while and eat our special cake" way.

Twaddle. If it was oppressive, threads like this would be locked. Face it, Carl was never a shining example of Escapism and he probably decided to go out in a 'blaze of glory'. The mods then rightly decided to let him kill himself, but removed the glory from his blaze by taking away those posts. They are well within the rights of the site and common sense to not encourage 'tragic heroes' going down 'fighting the man'.

They aren't the man, they are people who want this site to flourish as much as you and I. And people are rarely tragic heroes, they are more often than not tragic, self-absorbed idiots desperate for one final scrap of attention before they leave a site that doesn't welcome their antics.

Take it from the biggest attention whore in the joint, there's a right and wrong way to do these things.

 

[sebar nl]

maybe we need something like the rep thing on XBL. you don't give people a bad rep when you disagree with them but only if its serves the community in a good or bad way.

 

[Inverse Skies]

=P I went back and put bold on some words in my posts hoping some more people will see them and read it instead of ghosting over them. That's really all I can do right now while people argue and debate over matters. Makes me want to rewrite this whole thread and highlight the Good that's come out of these discussions... but I fear I might get slandered for repeat threads. ^.~

You have to be careful about that on this site

People will eventually get the point of this thread, it might take a while but they will. Hopefully we can get enough people on board and thinking the same way as to some actions and good actually coming out of it.

 

[Inverse Skies]

I've already stated my opinions on the matter on another thread, but I'll post a link to it here for you: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.90322?page=2#1406386

Thanks for the link. You have the right idea about how the more experienced and older posters have to lead by example through what they say and yes, repeat threads are not always a bad thing. Sometimes new points are able to be gleaned from them, and with the large numbers of new members on this site in recent times there will be a lot more opinions out there for people to listen too and learn from.

These are the sort of morals that would work well to try and help the current situation, the older posters creating the atmosphere for others to follow. We all emulate those we resoect and look up too, and if the more experienced posters can achieve that the forums will be better for all.

 

[Inverse Skies]

As for the original topic at hand, I think that we shouldn't be telling people how to act.

I don't think that our time spent here gives us any right to demand a certain quality from the other users. I don't think we should tell others how to act. I think that instead of telling people how to act and possibly why we don't like them we should be acting like ourselves, whatever that may be. Does that mean we should let people be stupid, yeah. Doesn't mean we shouldn't use the report button and tell mods about stupid stuff. We should let the mods determine the standard of quality that the Escapist has rather than taking it upon ourselves. Of course using the report button you are slightly determining the standard of quality on the Escapist but it's the moderators who have the final say. Let the moderators decide upon what is bad and what is good for the website but make sure that you present them things to pass judgment on by using the report function.

We should set a standard in our posts and hope that others follow suit, I would say that a lot of people do.

I would like it if people wouldn't tell others when they report them or when they get angry at a thread of theirs, just report and move along is a very useful thing to live by.

That's the exact same philosophy as Xitel. Prehaps all we can do in this situation is lead by example and hope others will follow suite?

I think the 'report and move on' ideal is one that isn't practiced enough on this website. People, rather than reporting and then ignoring things which might upset them, tend to take it upon themselves to attack the person responsible for it, which only serves to highlight the indiscretion in the first place rather than let it dwindle out.

What would you say to a system of letting people who don't follow the ideals of this website simply not having their posts and/or threads justified by people staying away from them? They'd learn quickly to follow the examples of the more experienced posters if no-one was paying much attention to their ideas.

 

[runtheplacered]

I still can't for the life of me understand the hatred for threads that may have been done before "X" amount of time ago. Somebody (I think it was Necro) earlier on in this thread even went so far as to say it's "hurting" us. But I have yet to see any explanations as to how or why this is. Are you just annoyed that two different conversations about a similar conversation are happening? Like maybe you're not taking part in the "Good" one? Or are we worried about storage capacity on the Escapist servers (joking of course)? What is the appropriate time to talk about something again? 4 and a half weeks? 3 days? Never?

Surely the reason is not because topics are getting buried faster then usual, because don't we want more traffic to this site? Topics will get buried quicker the more people that come here. If that's happening, then it's probably more so due to the organization of the site itself. Perhaps more categories would help that, provided that's even an issue. I just can't imagine the culprit is repeat threads.

I'm hoping somebody can clear this up for me, because I can't understand why you'd spam a thread with, "use the search button", when there's surely more interesting and thought-provoking things to say. In fact, the only real crime I see committed in repeat threads is that I have to scroll through the people that felt the need to let everybody know that something has been said before.

 

[090907]

maybe we need something like the rep thing on XBL. you don't give people a bad rep when you disagree with them but only if its serves the community in a good or bad way.

No rep. Same with deleting posts. Super abuse occurs.

I need to say i agree with not having the rep, having said that, there are people on here who "speak" and I instantly "listen". Am I the only one who does this? I doubt it.

I think a delete post for your own replies could be a good thing, I rarely preview as I usually don't do anything "fancy". The amount of time that I have reconsidered a post just before or, after pressing the post button or, receiving a reply. Then again, It could make the forums quite disjointed if mass used.

EDIT: Oh noes, i missed a capitalisation, Please don't hate me!!!

And no, I will not fix it.

 

[Inverse Skies]

I'm hoping somebody can clear this up for me, because I can't understand why you'd spam a thread with, "use the search button", when there's surely more interesting and thought-provoking things to say. In fact, the only real crime I see committed in repeat threads is that I have to scroll through the people that felt the need to let everybody know that something has been said before.

That was one of my original concerns, that people were becoming overly hostile towards those who made repeat threads and what we could do as a community to avoid such hostility. I'm not against repeat threads myself, after all I've only been here a short time and haven't seen that much. I guess people who have been here a long time are getting annoyed at talking about the same old stuff and anything which does provoke a lot of insight and thought is all-too quickly lost as people jump to 'what's your favorite' threads.

 

[Aries_Split]

Pointless resurrection of Argument that led to nothing but a flame war

Ares, we're done, we've all dropped our swords and walked away from this, don't start it again.

Clearly not, or you wouldn't have responded.

Right?

 

[Spartan Bannana]

Pointless resurrection of Argument that led to nothing but a flame war

Ares, we're done, we've all dropped our swords and walked away from this, don't start it again.

Clearly not, or you wouldn't have responded.

Right?

You sound just like Richard.
Drop it.

 

[Aries_Split]

Pointless resurrection of Argument that led to nothing but a flame war

Ares, we're done, we've all dropped our swords and walked away from this, don't start it again.

Clearly not, or you wouldn't have responded.

Right?

You sound just like Richard.
Drop it.

Again, Hypocrisy.
If you were done, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Right?

 

[runtheplacered]

I'm hoping somebody can clear this up for me, because I can't understand why you'd spam a thread with, "use the search button", when there's surely more interesting and thought-provoking things to say. In fact, the only real crime I see committed in repeat threads is that I have to scroll through the people that felt the need to let everybody know that something has been said before.

That was one of my original concerns, that people were becoming overly hostile towards those who made repeat threads and what we could do as a community to avoid such hostility. I'm not against repeat threads myself, after all I've only been here a short time and haven't seen that much. I guess people who have been here a long time are getting annoyed at talking about the same old stuff and anything which does provoke a lot of insight and thought is all-too quickly lost as people jump to 'what's your favorite' threads.

I think the best thing to do about people that jump on the "repeat thread" slogan bandwagon, is to ignore them altogether. Act as if their post didn't amount to more then the sum of their effort to write it, and hopefully one day they'll stop writing it. It is obviously only the people that have been here for awhile (except myself, apparently) that get annoyed by it, so there really are only a certain number of them. Once the culture of the forums makes a shift to not caring about repeat threads anymore, that really would be that.

However, trying to make sure newbies aren't making repeat threads is a fruitless endeavor since there's a virtual infinite amount of them to come and break your little stigma. In addition to there not being a point to caring about that in the first place, it really doesn't make much sense to carry on with that line of thinking.

 

[Brett Alex]

Again, Hypocrisy.
If you were done, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Right?

C'mon now, just because he's going to respond doesn't mean you should bait him.

Also, Spartan, take some deep breaths and stop taking the bait.

Remember, someday we'll remember this and laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Oh boy.

 

[runtheplacered]

Pointless resurrection of Argument that led to nothing but a flame war

Ares, we're done, we've all dropped our swords and walked away from this, don't start it again.

Clearly not, or you wouldn't have responded.

Right?

You sound just like Richard.
Drop it.

Again, Hypocrisy.
If you were done, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Right?

"Nuh-uh, you're the bad person!"
"Nuh-huh, you are!"
"No, you!"
"No! You!"

I wonder who'll win. I'm at the edge of my seat.