To anyone who thinks piracy is ok

[Kair]

Even though you completely misunderstood, I would like to suggest that even your off-topic argument is wrong.

An experiment was done on the effects of financial incentives in mental tasks and creativity.

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

Hmm. It's good to see evidence about supporting something other than greed for once.
Still, if this were true, then why isn't it being deployed more consistently in society?

Oh, and the only nitpick I have to make is that it referenced Steve Jobs, a man whose company is worth 51 billion dollars explicitly because they overcharge their customer on hardware.

I don't see this sort of thinking being deployed in my lifetime though; and I would certainly feel stung if someone took my work, made a couple of adjustments, and then claimed it entirely as their own (which has been done before).

Though Communists know the only true action is the one without physical incentive, most accept material incentives in the transitional stage (the socialist society) on the way to a Communist society.
Social incentives such as being credited for your work may very well be acceptable in both societies, but holding off your own work to the despair of humanity in hopes of praise and love from the society is as short-sighted and ignorant as the capitalist doctrine. One does not need to have ideas 'stolen' by other people, but merely share them willingly with the entire human species.

This was not my argument. My argument was that it is extremely ineffective to limit infinite resources in favour of monetary gain. There are better alternatives, that will also alleviate many other issues.

 

[chronobreak]

I learned how to play several instruments, made albums, and gave them out for free, just because of my passion for music. Imagine a world where designers made games simply for passion, not monetary gain.

That would be a lovely world. Unfortunately, for many people their creative work puts food on the table for them and their family. If you take piracy to the extreme, then creative work becomes pointless; I can take what you do, your album and work, and distribute it free to everyone I want, whether you like it or not. You then receive nothing for your labour, and then, how could you continue to produce as much creative work when you have no living?

My creative work gives me no money, I have a standard job that I do to earn a living. I would also argue that creativity never becomes pointless, it is just a part of human nature. There will always be poetry and prose, music, paintings, you name it, even if people aren't getting paid for it.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

It only covers 'piracy' in a market economy. I have drawn a little illustration to help you realize the error of limiting infinite resources for profit.

'Free Information'? I hope you don't mean every game/program/script should be free.

Would you spend hundreds of hours learning C then C++/Java or what have you, then working full time to develop an application only to give it out for (to quote Ned Flanders) NOTHING AT ALL! NOTHING AT ALL! ?

You say everyone would benefit, not the designers and developers who would be living in cardboard boxes. And consider the lack of competition that would all of a sudden exist, there would be no motivation to make a better program than your rivals.

Lol there are a ton of people who do that. Go find the linux community or anyone who affiliates with FOSS.

Hundreds of thousands of lines of code developed, released to the public for free. Happens all the time dude, so don't pretend it doesn't.

It's called 'Open Source' and yes it does have its advantages, but it also has drawbacks. If everything was open source the world of Software would be a disaster. Most people developing Open Source software do it to improve their skills, or to sell themselves to potential employers.

And i'll see your herp and raise you a derp by pointing out that all Linux distributions combined have a tiny amount of the total 'market' share, i'm not saying all Linux distro's are bad, just that retail closed source OS's (e.g. Windows) are used by far more people.

And hey, the big Open Source project; Open Office. Let's be honest, it's vastly inferior to MS Word. Though I admit the post of mine you quoted did omit any reference to Open Source software.

lol win. this made my halloween that much better.

ot: its going to happen, you can't change a person no matter how much you plead and tell them its wrong, if they can get it for free, they will in a heartbeat, if your game costs money and they can't get it, its a big fuck you and they move on to whatever game they can pirate. hell alot of pirates take it as a challenge when you try and put more drm on it, they find it fun, so really this is only hurting the paying customers long run..

 

[AnAngryMoose]

If they started pricing right I wouldn't consider piracy. 60$ for medal of honor? 50$ for front mission evo? 40$ for dead rising 2? These games are not worth the price, and I've gotten ripped off way to many times. Oh and for anyone who says "you can wait for the prices to drop" take a look at CoD MW 2. Still 60$ after about 2 years, and it's only half as good as CoD 4. Price them reasonably and sure I'd buy it. The only time I wouldn't pirate ever would be for companies just starting.

This. WaW still goes for 20-30 bucks.

 

[Kevonovitch]

eh, i mostly torrent whats either A: too expencive, and im not sure i'll like it, so only one way to find out thats fast, easy, and especially, FREE. B: i REALLY wanna get, but dont have 50-60 bucks floating around willy nilly, i can enjoy what i want till a price drop/sale. C: only good for once, maybe twice, not worth actually buying.

i've also run across some stuff, i figured, "meh i'll just see how this is?" and end up buying it, even if it's brand new. if it's really got the quality, i'll buy it, if not, ohwell, not my loss

 

[The_Puppy_Prince]

Let me make a nice flow chart:

You buy a game
v
The developers and everyone involved makes money
v
They take this money and use it to make more games​

Now, that would be nice and all. But this is what really happens a lot of the time.

You don't buy a game
v
The developers and everyone involved don't make money
v
They take this loss as a lesson to take less risks​

So, to anyone who pirates: I don't want to hear a single one of you complaining about DRM, or the low quality of games lately, or the neglected indie developers, or anything like that. If the industry weren't trying to fight against you, they'd be working on making better games.

My friend pirates and honestly now that i think
It is fairly bad
But i think the legitimate buyers suffer from DRM
Atleast certain forms of DRM
Gamers know what im talkin about >.>
Edit: DRM will kill the used market as said
which is VERY bad
Since people like me cant shell out 60 bucks for a new title
DRM does honestly nothing good

 

[Virus0015]

If they started pricing right I wouldn't consider piracy. 60$ for medal of honor? 50$ for front mission evo? 40$ for dead rising 2? These games are not worth the price, and I've gotten ripped off way to many times. Oh and for anyone who says "you can wait for the prices to drop" take a look at CoD MW 2. Still 60$ after about 2 years, and it's only half as good as CoD 4. Price them reasonably and sure I'd buy it. The only time I wouldn't pirate ever would be for companies just starting.

As much as we all wish it, the marketing team for Microsoft and Sony don't take personal opinions into account when deciding the prices of games.

So they aren't getting my money unless they make a quality game. Just because they spend a fortune on garbage doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for them.

Wait. If you think the product they make is crap, why are you pirating it? By pirating the game your are accepting that it is worth playing, and you say that you will buy a good game. By this logic, shouldn't you pay for any game you deem worth pirating?

 

[Zukhramm]

I don't see that article saying anything new or changing anyone's mind. Sure didn't change mine.

 

[DanDeFool]

I buy most of my games on Steam, and get many of them at a fraction of the retail price. I also buy a lot of used games from independent sellers on Amazon (I used to buy them from Gamestop, until I realized I can get better deals on Amazon from people who actually deserve my money).

According to the industry, that still makes me evil. Sort of.

But seriously guys, buy your fucking games. If you have the money, support the industry. I know it's full of greedy, exploitative, fucknuggets, but just remember this one fact.

For every Bobby Kotick in the gaming industry, there's a Notch.

www.minecraft.net

 

[LightningBanks]

I don't think piracy is alright, but I stopped giving a shit when the developers stopped developing the games half way through.

This is very true. I myself havent pirated anything I can pay for, the only thing I have was a indie game, in which the developer had gone out of business, so I couldnt buy it anyway.

But with people developing half of a possible game, sometimes you can see why pirates do pirate, especially with the bull we do get sometimes (we as the community)

 

[mjc0961]

"To anyone who thinks piracy is ok"
You are wrong. That's all there is to it. No excuse you have justifies it, it is not okay and you should stop doing it.

 

[MasterOfHisOwnDomain]

That still doesn't make it right or legal to pirate, but I just don't care.

As a side note, it's funny to see the overly aggressive stances people take on this issue, as if something truly important were at stake.
It's just video games. Even if piracy did somehow destroy the games industry entirely, which I'm pretty sure it cannot, I'm sure you'll find other things to do. Humankind has found those other things for centuries, y'know.

This isn't just about video games, it's about copyright and ownership, concepts that have been fundamental to our society for centuries. And is it surprising that many people, who have a sense of decency, are annoyed that they are being abused? Piracy is a serious issue that costs people jobs and stifles creativity across many creative arts.

My creative work gives me no money, I have a standard job that I do to earn a living. I would also argue that creativity never becomes pointless, it is just a part of human nature. There will always be poetry and prose, music, paintings, you name it, even if people aren't getting paid for it.

But there are people who want to make money for their creative work, and why shouldn't they? You're right, that creativity is an instrinsic part of human nature, and people will continue to make work because they want to. But limiting creativity to this scope is harmful, and for many people it's an either or in terms of a job.

 

[Zukhramm]

"To anyone who thinks piracy is ok"
You are wrong. That's all there is to it. No excuse you have justifies it, it is not okay and you should stop doing it.

Yep. Anyone whith a different opinion is simply wrong. Our current laws are the perfect infallible moral rules of the universe.