Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, thinks COD is 'hardcore'.

[Ruiner87]

loltodd. Todd has always been a bit more of a casual guy when it game to video games, at least compared to the guys that led development of earlier TES titles. Just look at the reduction in scale and customization since he took over, starting with Morrowind and then Oblivion.

 

[WorldFree55]

Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.

This just in, Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, likes green jello, not RED! That bastard!

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.

This just in, Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, likes green jello, not RED! That bastard!

Time for a lynching.

 

[TheLoneBeet]

Well the quote doesn't say it's a hardcore RPG. He said it's a hardcore game with RPG elements in multiplayer. He probably just means the game has reached it's pique and that's why it's popular. He may hope that Skyrim will bring Elder Scrolls up to that same level of hype and popularity?

 

[MrGalactus]

well, he's right in that respect. You choose perks, attachments, and weapons, and sacrifice others. Problem is, it's poorly balanced.

 

[WorldFree55]

Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.

This just in, Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, likes green jello, not RED! That bastard!

It's not about what he likes or doesn't like.

It's about the fact that, one of the most casual games ever made, he still considers hardcore. What does this mean for Skyrim? I'd wager a bet that it is going to be run into the ground with casualization.

You mean...he has an opinion? An opinion that YOU disagree with? About a completely different game?

Your looking way too much into one statement.

 

[Thaius]

I see no problem with this. For one, Call of Duty is a hardcore game. The people who play it and only it all the time I would call casual gamers, but the game itself is a game aimed squarely at the gaming audience, and is complex, interesting, and well-built enough to stay out of the realm of games like Peggle and Bejeweled.

Secondly, he's not saying, "We want to make Skyrim like a fantasy Call of Duty!" He's saying that the RPG elements in Call of Duty's multiplayer means there is an audience outside of the core gamers for this type of game, and they want to capitalize on that. All it means is that there are people out there who perhaps wouldn't profess to be interested in a gigantic RPG like this one, but might be anyway.

I don't see anything wrong with what he's saying.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

Okay so this is what Todd Howard had to say about COD according to a gamasutra interview [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35678/Interview_Todd_Howard_On_The_Scope_Vision_Of_Skyrim.php]

You look at Call of Duty, the most popular game in the world, and that's actually pretty hardcore. At the end of the day, it's a hardcore game, has RPG elements in multiplayer, making classes, picking perks. I think the audiences are there, and we tend to make our game more for ourselves and other people who play a lot of games.

Now my personal view aside. Is that really a wise thing to say considering the current climate of worries about streamlining and accessibility that is developing around Skyrim. Whether or not COD is what he says it is I think most 'hardcore' RPG fans would take issue with that judging from what I have seen on these, and other forums regarding COD and it's playerbase.

What do you think of this statement? Is it somthing that worries you? Do you agree with him?

Personally I will be buying the game but this made me raise my eyebrows a little.

You really hate both Bethesda and Skyrim dont you?

On Topic:
I guess hardcore by the amount of ravenous fanbois screamin racial slurs and teabagging people...

-shrug- I guess he has a view people cant agree with...

I must admit the amount of lulz and hate in this is...funny

 

[WorldFree55]

Okay so this is what Todd Howard had to say about COD according to a gamasutra interview [http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/35678/Interview_Todd_Howard_On_The_Scope_Vision_Of_Skyrim.php]

You look at Call of Duty, the most popular game in the world, and that's actually pretty hardcore. At the end of the day, it's a hardcore game, has RPG elements in multiplayer, making classes, picking perks. I think the audiences are there, and we tend to make our game more for ourselves and other people who play a lot of games.

Now my personal view aside. Is that really a wise thing to say considering the current climate of worries about streamlining and accessibility that is developing around Skyrim. Whether or not COD is what he says it is I think most 'hardcore' RPG fans would take issue with that judging from what I have seen on these, and other forums regarding COD and it's playerbase.

What do you think of this statement? Is it somthing that worries you? Do you agree with him?

Personally I will be buying the game but this made me raise my eyebrows a little.

You really hate both Bethesda and Skyrim dont you?

On Topic:
I guess hardcore by the amount of ravenous fanbois screamin racial slurs and teabagging people...

-shrug- I guess he has a view people cant agree with...

I must admit the amount of lulz and hate in this is...funny

I almost fell out of my chair laughing just by seeing the thread title cause I knew somebody would go out of there desperately trying to nitpick on one little detail too debunk something completely different.

 

[winter2]

To be fair, you don't see people's mothers going off to play CoD so it's not really a casual gamer thing.

Oh wait! My mom plays CoD online! (seriously)
Please tell me I proved him wrong!

That merely means your mom is hardcore....

That's sound pretty hot.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

If CoD is hardcore, what the fuck is Counter Strike?

Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.

This just in, Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, likes green jello, not RED! That bastard!

Time for a lynching.

I got the rope right here.

 

[Peteron]

Its hardcore, so what? It can turn casual gamers into addicts. I think that's a fair statement and I don't see how that has anything to do with Skyrim's development. I also don't see why I should be concerned in the slightest with this mans opinion.

 

[DracoSuave]

ALL THIS FANDUMB MAKES MY HEAD HURT.

I see no problem with this. For one, Call of Duty is a hardcore game. The people who play it and only it all the time I would call casual gamers, but the game itself is a game aimed squarely at the gaming audience, and is complex, interesting, and well-built enough to stay out of the realm of games like Peggle and Bejeweled.

Secondly, he's not saying, "We want to make Skyrim like a fantasy Call of Duty!" He's saying that the RPG elements in Call of Duty's multiplayer means there is an audience outside of the core gamers for this type of game, and they want to capitalize on that. All it means is that there are people out there who perhaps wouldn't profess to be interested in a gigantic RPG like this one, but might be anyway.

I don't see anything wrong with what he's saying.

And one voice of reason. Seems this guy is the only one who knows how to read. He understood EXACTLY what was being said, because he -read- it, rather than tried to read -into- it with some weird anti-COD agenda.

No wonder no mainstream media believes gamers when they claim their genre can be artistic and filled with layers of hidden meaning.... gaming discourse has trouble finding the obvious not-so-hidden meaning of a bloody obvious statement.

 

[Hal10k]

Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Elder Scrolls series becomes mianly action with "RPG elements".

Bethesda games never did have much choice in them anyway since Todd came around, seriously what choice and consequence is there in Oblivion?

You can join every available faction, the main story is linear, you can use every armour with grind, every weapon with grind and become good at any spell school with grind.

Todd was actually the head guy behind Morrowind, which subverts many of the thgings you just said. I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

You really hate both Bethesda and Skyrim dont you?

What o,o

no...

I'm buying a new PC especially for Skyrim, why would you say that lol. I am keeping on top of the news and interviews and considering the the 'hardcore' issue and both COD and TES being a highly debated subject around here I thought people would be interested in this.

I actually like Todd Howard a lot I think he shows a lot of enthusiasm and affection when discussing his games.

 

[DracoSuave]

Hmmm, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the Elder Scrolls series becomes mianly action with "RPG elements".

Bethesda games never did have much choice in them anyway since Todd came around, seriously what choice and consequence is there in Oblivion?

You can join every available faction, the main story is linear, you can use every armour with grind, every weapon with grind and become good at any spell school with grind.

As opposed to Daggerfall, where you could do all that if you know how to hit a dollar sign.

Does this mean that Morrowind was bad because you couldn't customize your own race?

 

[ChupathingyX]

Todd was actually the head guy behind Morrowind, which subverts many of the thgings you just said. I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand.

Yeah I should've worded that better, Morrowind had some choice and much more than Oblivion but still didn't have a lot of choice, Oblivion was just a better example of Betehsda games getting less and less choice.

As opposed to Daggerfall, where you could do all that if you know how to hit a dollar sign.

Does this mean that Morrowind was bad because you couldn't customize your own race?

Yeah I haven't actually played Daggerfall so I don't know much about it.

wait, but you can chose your race in Morrowind? Or are you referring to actually changing the face? I never said Morrowind was a glorious RPG compared to Oblivion, it still had its fair share of problems, Oblivion is just a better example when it comes to role-playing options.

 

[Smooth Operator]

This doesn't look good, not good at all.
I understand lazy people take CoD as hardcore because that is all the effort they really want to put in, but a game dev should really have more perspective then that.

I hope there are some smarter people over viewing this or it will end in another Mass Effect

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I'd somewhat against COD for personal reasons, but I'll say that because I have never played a COD game, I don't know all the intrinsic parts and details.

I'm sorry what? You're against Call of Duty for "personal" reasons... Yet you've never played a Call of Duty game?

 

[AgentBJ09]

Wow. People in this thread are actually angry about this. I don't even play Call of Duty and...well, I feel nothing about this.

You and I both. It's just his opinion after all, yet after reading this thread, it sounds like he somehow reached through a computer screen and slapped the faces of some of the posters in here by saying that.

There's absolutly nothing wrong with streamlining either. It only means making things easier to understand, and when was that any harm to gaming? Last I recall, Oblivion had a lot more depth to gameplay then Morrowind did, yet that was more streamlined.