Because all of a sudden having a map marker and fast travel into the game makes the whole experience of the game less satisfying apparently. (seriously their were people that wanted to instead look at the journal every 10 sec to keep remembering where to go and who to talk too with no kind of direction assistance instead of help from a map marker that applies to basically every single game.)AgentBJ09 said:
Todd Howard, Skyrim Dev, thinks COD is 'hardcore'.
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As far as I'm aware it's:
-Hardcore: games that usually fill some sort of niche with a higher than normal learning curve, and challenge
-Mainstream: Games made for mass appeal, usually not as challenging or hard to learn to get as many people into it as possible.
-Casual: Games like peggle, bejeweled, farmville, Wii, etc. Games anyone can play.
So COD would fall under "Mainstream"; not something your mom would play, but it's not exactly demanding in regards to gamepla either. It's definately made for mass-appeal through story and visuals. I Think someone used the term "shooting gallery" which isn't exactly a bad thing.
-Hardcore: games that usually fill some sort of niche with a higher than normal learning curve, and challenge
-Mainstream: Games made for mass appeal, usually not as challenging or hard to learn to get as many people into it as possible.
-Casual: Games like peggle, bejeweled, farmville, Wii, etc. Games anyone can play.
So COD would fall under "Mainstream"; not something your mom would play, but it's not exactly demanding in regards to gamepla either. It's definately made for mass-appeal through story and visuals. I Think someone used the term "shooting gallery" which isn't exactly a bad thing.
Times have changed indeed, and for the better too.bussinrounds said:Well, times have changed.Hal10k said:
By bussinrounds [http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bussinrounds] at 2011-06-18
A few points, in terms of choice Elder Scrolls games have incredible amounts of choice. The player really gets to define their playing style, equipment, dialog, and morality. Additionally you could create 2 identical characters and give them to 2 different players and by after say 10 hours of game play there would already be incredible differentiation between them, based on what those individual players emphasized.
A lot of the anger on this thread could've been avoided simply by reading the article. Tom specifically talks about not focusing on "accessibility" but on making the experience less confusing whether you had played Elder Scrolls before or not. One of Oblivion's main weaknesses is that if tried to create a character without any real idea on how you were going to play, you were screwed. You simply had to start over, which meant that you had to agonize on every little detail during character creation. In comparison if you look at COD, you simply start playing multiplayer and pick perks, weapons, and weapon modifications as you go, and if you find something is less useful than you hoped, it isn't a big deal.
Given that COD is the most successful game out there, not looking at what its doing well would be foolish. Imagine a car company that had heard about vehicles with good gas mileage but said "NO! Our customers only care about horsepower. Now, where are those blueprints for the V20's?"
A lot of the anger on this thread could've been avoided simply by reading the article. Tom specifically talks about not focusing on "accessibility" but on making the experience less confusing whether you had played Elder Scrolls before or not. One of Oblivion's main weaknesses is that if tried to create a character without any real idea on how you were going to play, you were screwed. You simply had to start over, which meant that you had to agonize on every little detail during character creation. In comparison if you look at COD, you simply start playing multiplayer and pick perks, weapons, and weapon modifications as you go, and if you find something is less useful than you hoped, it isn't a big deal.
Given that COD is the most successful game out there, not looking at what its doing well would be foolish. Imagine a car company that had heard about vehicles with good gas mileage but said "NO! Our customers only care about horsepower. Now, where are those blueprints for the V20's?"
I feel like every time something is released regarding Skyrim, an ugly picture just became a little more focused. It could still be my imagination incorrectly filling in the gaps, but the more I hear, the less the blurry circle in the middle of this picture looks like a majestic galaxy and a lot more like Goatse.
Honestly, I dont think that the comment should matter to RPG fans.
Sounds like he is talking about the most popular game right now and how RPG elements are really entering just about all games, giving them a good complexity, even if the hardcore gamers that play even realize it. So many gamers seem to be looking for anything that will make them worry and complain about how one of their favorite games could-possibly-from-what-it-sounds-like-even-though-its-almost-entirely-hearsay become DUMBED DOWN. Sounds like some anxiety problems.
Sounds like he is talking about the most popular game right now and how RPG elements are really entering just about all games, giving them a good complexity, even if the hardcore gamers that play even realize it. So many gamers seem to be looking for anything that will make them worry and complain about how one of their favorite games could-possibly-from-what-it-sounds-like-even-though-its-almost-entirely-hearsay become DUMBED DOWN. Sounds like some anxiety problems.
No were not, maybe YOU want to talk about that but that's not what the thread is about. If you want to talk about RPGs and FPSs, there are many other different threads about that.Xzi said:
CoD is hardly hardcore. Personally, hard should be the operative word. The online is fucking easy if you play like a cheap little *****.
That being said, Oblivion could be piss easy with the right bow, a high sneak skill, and night eye or a detect life spell. I was never touched in any dark place and I only attacked in the dark.
That being said, Oblivion could be piss easy with the right bow, a high sneak skill, and night eye or a detect life spell. I was never touched in any dark place and I only attacked in the dark.
Ah yes, design choices you don't agree with? Which is ok everyone has their own tastes.Xzi said:
Yeah, thoughts about ONE game, not about two different genre or how it relates to his own products. Again, not that hard to figure it out.
"Skyrim guy says CoD is 'hardcore', which is a compliment of gaming quality to the highest degree."
"But we know CoD is shit."
"Therefore Skyrim guy wants to make Skyrim more like shit!"
Lapses in logic and jumping to assumptions much?
"But we know CoD is shit."
"Therefore Skyrim guy wants to make Skyrim more like shit!"
Lapses in logic and jumping to assumptions much?
In the WHOLE interview article, the only time he even mentions an FPS game (call of duty in this case) was in the very last paragraph, which is something your clinging on.Xzi said:
I suggest you stop wasting your own time if you insist on thinking that way. Because it seems you did not even click on the link in the article. Which again is OK since not a lot of people do either. It will come eventually...well hopefully
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Haha, this guy is probably just trolling the fans at this point. Honestly, I'm won't be worried until I see orcs running around with noobtubes.
You aren't off in the slightest. You make a class, you name it then choose what gun, perks and grenades you carry.bleachigo10 said:
That's it.
Oh, and you unlock guns as you level up.
OT: Yeah... no. Todd... no. I know you want the COD fanboys to buy your game so the company that you work for can make a good profit and you can keep your job but... no.
JNA17 said:oh it's you again? I suppose your going to take this statement more seriously then the time Fox News's twitter said Obama was killed?Xzi said:Oy vey, this guy again. If you want Call of Duty, go play Call of Duty. That's not what most RPG fans, old or new, want influencing their games. And with good reason.JNA17 said:Times have changed indeed, and for the better too.bussinrounds said:Well, times have changed.Hal10k said:
By bussinrounds [http://profile.imageshack.us/user/bussinrounds] at 2011-06-18
.... You best be troll'n