Tomb Raider writer expressed an interest in making Lara gay?

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Lara wasn't a massive-breasted sex object? You haven't read the many pieces on this?

Lara was a massive-breasted sex object? You have you actually played the games?

It's as dumb as saying Duke Nukem was a male stripper because he was an oiled body builder wearing a tight revealing vest and pointless sunglasses.

Read the pieces? Books smarts are only as smart as the person writing them, and most of these are written by people who haven't played the games or don't remember anything about them. It's not very smart for someone to write so much about what they know next to nothing about.

It seems you missed the social phenomenon of her being a massive-breasted sex object.

 

[eevangoh]

I find this idea incredibly stupid.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.

Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.

Homosexuality really isn't that rare, you know. I don't know where you live, but it's not very uncommon. And anyway, whether it's rare or not really has no impact on whether she should be gay. If we wanted to go by that logic, we should make her Asian. After all, she is a human being on an Earth similar to our own, the highest % of people on Earth are Asian.

But we're not going by that logic, because that logic is dumb.

 

[Treblaine]

Perhaps you need to replay the game and listen to what Sam said. She said her or Lara didn't expect them to run into so many cute guys. That imply they both like guys.

What makes you think Sam can speak for Lara?

This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.

Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.

Yes, and it's entirely possible that a human being from earth might be gay.

We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"

It seems you missed the social phenomenon of her being a massive-breasted sex object.

Yeah, that's because I played the games... didn't just listen to the sexist jokes about Lara. You really do seem to act like the mean things said about Lara are more important than the way she was actually depicted in games.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

No need to lose it, I was simply talking about the social phenomenon, the portrayal in webcomics, magazines.

 

[BleedingPride]

Personally I don't see the need to, but I have no problems with seeing Lara Croft in a lesbian sex scene. I mean really, who wouldn't right?

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.

Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.

Homosexuality really isn't that rare, you know. I don't know where you live, but it's not very uncommon. And anyway, whether it's rare or not really has no impact on whether she should be gay. If we wanted to go by that logic, we should make her Asian. After all, she is a human being on an Earth similar to our own, the highest % of people on Earth are Asian.

But we're not going by that logic, because that logic is dumb.

Less than 9% of people identify themselves as gay. Calling homosexuality rare is stating a fact. And don't try to compare a behavior choice with race. No one is born gay. They decide their own sexuality at some point in their life. It obviously cannot be in their DNA; because, if it was, it wouldn't get passed on.

The religion analogy I made wasn't just for kicks. It is the same difference. Whatever Lara believes is her choice, as is her sexual orientation. Assuming she made the less common choice in sexual orientation for absolutely no reason is just silly. There is no evidence that she's a lesbian and plenty of evidence that she's straight.

We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"

The claim is based on no evidence whatsoever. You just said she's gay because it sounds cool to you. She shows no signs of being gay.

Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex. This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react. Most grow out of this, like most people do. Lara, however, is still rather young and not awkward at all around men. Since Sam implies she's rather antisocial, it is highly unlikely she matured quicker in this regard.

Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality. Lara shows nothing but love and respect for those with authority over her.

Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around. Flaunting attracts male attention, which they do not want. While Lara's outfit is more conservative than before, it still attracts male attention.

All the evidence says "straight straight straight". So what? It's not like homosexuals already get more fictional representations than exist in real life. Not like her being straight in cannon is going to ruin your Lara/Sam slashfic.

If my pantry was 10% full of bread, I would have a -lot- of bread - 9% comes out to over half a billion people worldwide.

Homosexuality is not a choice - if it was, who in their right mind would choose it given how much hate is directed at them? What evidence is there that Lara is straight?

I've -never- heard that homosexuals are uncomfortable with the opposite sex. Where did you get that? The logic you seem to be going by is that heterosexuals should be uncomfortable with those of the same sex, and that heterosexuals cannot interact with members of the opposite sex unless they want to bone them. It's like a trainwreck of incorrect assumptions and asspulls.

You could also turn that around - she doesn't rebel because those with authority over her aren't being assholes to her. It's a nothing argument anyway.

No lesbian ever dresses in flattering clothing? You're just full of stuff you're pulling right out of your ass, aren't you?

Seriously, where the hell did you get -any- of this? None of it makes any sense and I'm reasonably sure you're making every word of it up.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I've -never- heard that homosexuals are uncomfortable with the opposite sex. Where did you get that?

I figured that because I'm not an idiot. Let's look at the process logically: Timmy gets a hard on because of Jack but not because of Jill. He knows this isn't normal and is confused. Awkwardness around Jill is an expression of this confusion. Now obviously, Timmy will grow out of this, so I'd say it is quite flimsy when applied to Lara. She is a young adult, so she might have grown out of it. I should have admitted that proves nothing one way or the other. My mistake there.

I'm sorry, I just wanted to chime in and say that it's far more logical in that example that Timmy would be more likely to feel uncomfortable around his own gender in that example. I mean, who feels uncomfortable due to a lack of an erection, unless they're in a very intimate situation? Wait... Are you saying you get confused if you don't get boners whenever you're around attractive women? I think you'd be far more confused and awkward when you got aroused around someone you don't think you're supposed to be aroused by than the other way around.

Unless you did mean specifically in very intimate situations, in which case you're just saying "Gay people feel uncomfortable when in a very intimate position with a member of the opposite gender", in which case I'd answer "No shit".

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was. I don't really give a damn one way or another, I just dislike the fairly rampant homophobia, incorrect assumptions, and outright fabrications that I see in this thread. You're throwing generalizations and your supposed "Logic" around with nothing to back it up.

Also, stuff that happened in previous games doesn't really matter - the new Tomb Raider is a reboot.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was. I don't really give a damn one way or another, I just dislike the fairly rampant homophobia, incorrect assumptions, and outright fabrications that I see in this thread. You're throwing generalizations and your supposed "Logic" around with nothing to back it up.

Also, stuff that happened in previous games doesn't really matter - the new Tomb Raider is a reboot.

I have to agree with you. Especially since the whole thing has basically been:

"Hey, I wonder what it would be like if Lara Croft was a lesbian?"

"...HOW DARE U"

Because we'd like to see a wider variety of characters in mainstream video games, so long as it's no one important apparently. Because then it would be purposefully trying to be edgy, which would be bad because... Because then it would be different on purpose. And things should only be different by accident.

No, you know what would be needlessly edgy? If they randomly made the next Tomb Raider game play like the puzzler Antichamber. Or they made Lara black up in the game to make a longwinded point about racism. Or a scene where she saws a guy's penis off just because she doesn't like men.

If your idea of "edgy" is just mentioning the possibility of making a character gay, maybe you should start thinking bigger.

 

[The Wooster]

First: People in this thread really need to look up what "asexual" actually means. Just because a character has no romantic interactions on-screen does not automatically make their sexuality irrelevant.

Second: You don't need a "reason" for a character to be gay. Sexuality can be incidental. Not all gay characters have to deal with gay issues.

 

[Flamb3Nobunaga]

*sigh* are we really talking about this? If she is or isn't gay, here's one question. Who. Fucking. Cares. It doesn't make her any less or more of a character depending on what kind of 'tomb' she want's to raid. Do you see what I did there!?

 

[shemoanscazrex3]

Why is it that lesbian love is looked at as some thing that gets guys off. It can be done in a way where its not a nude patch short of lesbian porn. Like for instance if they were lovers and the way the game played out they never became affectionate. Honestly I just thought they're very good friends but if they are lovers, cool

 

[Diablo2000]

If it is in my face the entire game like "LOOK, SHE'S A LESBIAN, LOOK, LOOK!100%! NOW LET'S WATCH SOME WOMENS MAKING OUT!!", then yes, I would be bothered by it.
If it is like Veronica from New Vegas where her sexuality is a side note at best, then I don't see a reason to go raging on the internet or anywhere else for that matter...

 

[cikame]

Making someone sexually attracted to something in fiction annoys me, because it puts a halt to everything and i have to sit there watching characters figure out how to turn each other on.
"I'm in the worst most dangerous situation of my life, i have to survive, i need to keep fighting, also i'm gay, by the way, just thought i should tell you about it for 20 minutes" i don't f****** care.

I want my video game heros to be good to look at, male or female, funny, or interesting, or smart, or brave, anything but worried about genitals.