Tomb Raider writer expressed an interest in making Lara gay?

[BleedingPride]

Personally I don't see the need to, but I have no problems with seeing Lara Croft in a lesbian sex scene. I mean really, who wouldn't right?

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.

Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.

Homosexuality really isn't that rare, you know. I don't know where you live, but it's not very uncommon. And anyway, whether it's rare or not really has no impact on whether she should be gay. If we wanted to go by that logic, we should make her Asian. After all, she is a human being on an Earth similar to our own, the highest % of people on Earth are Asian.

But we're not going by that logic, because that logic is dumb.

Less than 9% of people identify themselves as gay. Calling homosexuality rare is stating a fact. And don't try to compare a behavior choice with race. No one is born gay. They decide their own sexuality at some point in their life. It obviously cannot be in their DNA; because, if it was, it wouldn't get passed on.

The religion analogy I made wasn't just for kicks. It is the same difference. Whatever Lara believes is her choice, as is her sexual orientation. Assuming she made the less common choice in sexual orientation for absolutely no reason is just silly. There is no evidence that she's a lesbian and plenty of evidence that she's straight.

We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"

The claim is based on no evidence whatsoever. You just said she's gay because it sounds cool to you. She shows no signs of being gay.

Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex. This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react. Most grow out of this, like most people do. Lara, however, is still rather young and not awkward at all around men. Since Sam implies she's rather antisocial, it is highly unlikely she matured quicker in this regard.

Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality. Lara shows nothing but love and respect for those with authority over her.

Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around. Flaunting attracts male attention, which they do not want. While Lara's outfit is more conservative than before, it still attracts male attention.

All the evidence says "straight straight straight". So what? It's not like homosexuals already get more fictional representations than exist in real life. Not like her being straight in cannon is going to ruin your Lara/Sam slashfic.

If my pantry was 10% full of bread, I would have a -lot- of bread - 9% comes out to over half a billion people worldwide.

Homosexuality is not a choice - if it was, who in their right mind would choose it given how much hate is directed at them? What evidence is there that Lara is straight?

I've -never- heard that homosexuals are uncomfortable with the opposite sex. Where did you get that? The logic you seem to be going by is that heterosexuals should be uncomfortable with those of the same sex, and that heterosexuals cannot interact with members of the opposite sex unless they want to bone them. It's like a trainwreck of incorrect assumptions and asspulls.

You could also turn that around - she doesn't rebel because those with authority over her aren't being assholes to her. It's a nothing argument anyway.

No lesbian ever dresses in flattering clothing? You're just full of stuff you're pulling right out of your ass, aren't you?

Seriously, where the hell did you get -any- of this? None of it makes any sense and I'm reasonably sure you're making every word of it up.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I've -never- heard that homosexuals are uncomfortable with the opposite sex. Where did you get that?

I figured that because I'm not an idiot. Let's look at the process logically: Timmy gets a hard on because of Jack but not because of Jill. He knows this isn't normal and is confused. Awkwardness around Jill is an expression of this confusion. Now obviously, Timmy will grow out of this, so I'd say it is quite flimsy when applied to Lara. She is a young adult, so she might have grown out of it. I should have admitted that proves nothing one way or the other. My mistake there.

I'm sorry, I just wanted to chime in and say that it's far more logical in that example that Timmy would be more likely to feel uncomfortable around his own gender in that example. I mean, who feels uncomfortable due to a lack of an erection, unless they're in a very intimate situation? Wait... Are you saying you get confused if you don't get boners whenever you're around attractive women? I think you'd be far more confused and awkward when you got aroused around someone you don't think you're supposed to be aroused by than the other way around.

Unless you did mean specifically in very intimate situations, in which case you're just saying "Gay people feel uncomfortable when in a very intimate position with a member of the opposite gender", in which case I'd answer "No shit".

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was. I don't really give a damn one way or another, I just dislike the fairly rampant homophobia, incorrect assumptions, and outright fabrications that I see in this thread. You're throwing generalizations and your supposed "Logic" around with nothing to back it up.

Also, stuff that happened in previous games doesn't really matter - the new Tomb Raider is a reboot.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was. I don't really give a damn one way or another, I just dislike the fairly rampant homophobia, incorrect assumptions, and outright fabrications that I see in this thread. You're throwing generalizations and your supposed "Logic" around with nothing to back it up.

Also, stuff that happened in previous games doesn't really matter - the new Tomb Raider is a reboot.

I have to agree with you. Especially since the whole thing has basically been:

"Hey, I wonder what it would be like if Lara Croft was a lesbian?"

"...HOW DARE U"

Because we'd like to see a wider variety of characters in mainstream video games, so long as it's no one important apparently. Because then it would be purposefully trying to be edgy, which would be bad because... Because then it would be different on purpose. And things should only be different by accident.

No, you know what would be needlessly edgy? If they randomly made the next Tomb Raider game play like the puzzler Antichamber. Or they made Lara black up in the game to make a longwinded point about racism. Or a scene where she saws a guy's penis off just because she doesn't like men.

If your idea of "edgy" is just mentioning the possibility of making a character gay, maybe you should start thinking bigger.

 

[The Wooster]

First: People in this thread really need to look up what "asexual" actually means. Just because a character has no romantic interactions on-screen does not automatically make their sexuality irrelevant.

Second: You don't need a "reason" for a character to be gay. Sexuality can be incidental. Not all gay characters have to deal with gay issues.

 

[Flamb3Nobunaga]

*sigh* are we really talking about this? If she is or isn't gay, here's one question. Who. Fucking. Cares. It doesn't make her any less or more of a character depending on what kind of 'tomb' she want's to raid. Do you see what I did there!?

 

[shemoanscazrex3]

Why is it that lesbian love is looked at as some thing that gets guys off. It can be done in a way where its not a nude patch short of lesbian porn. Like for instance if they were lovers and the way the game played out they never became affectionate. Honestly I just thought they're very good friends but if they are lovers, cool

 

[Diablo2000]

If it is in my face the entire game like "LOOK, SHE'S A LESBIAN, LOOK, LOOK!100%! NOW LET'S WATCH SOME WOMENS MAKING OUT!!", then yes, I would be bothered by it.
If it is like Veronica from New Vegas where her sexuality is a side note at best, then I don't see a reason to go raging on the internet or anywhere else for that matter...

 

[cikame]

Making someone sexually attracted to something in fiction annoys me, because it puts a halt to everything and i have to sit there watching characters figure out how to turn each other on.
"I'm in the worst most dangerous situation of my life, i have to survive, i need to keep fighting, also i'm gay, by the way, just thought i should tell you about it for 20 minutes" i don't f****** care.

I want my video game heros to be good to look at, male or female, funny, or interesting, or smart, or brave, anything but worried about genitals.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

Yeah, some in game representations could of course be fine, comfortable, with it not being a giant issue, necessitating a lot of time focus or sex scenes. Don't have to do the old, may not be gay, maybe, leaning, SEX!

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

Absolutely! I would be irritated if it were obvious pandering to give me an erection. If it was a softcore porno, I'd be irritated if it was her with a man or a woman. As long as it's actually classy, I don't really care either way.

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.

Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.

That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.

 

[Diablo2000]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.

Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.

That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.

Imagine if when Alex was about to die and asked for a kiss, then Lara went: "Oh, I sorry not into men."
It would be quite a awkward scene for the average player, sad for Alex and hilarious for me...
I don't think the game goes on the "she's straight" or "she's gay", because doesn't really matter or way or the other, I think people are are afraid that if they decided to make Lara a lesbian, they would have her turn into a steriotype and have a lesbian scene or a joke about sex every fucking change it gets. Doesn't have to be case, so people are raging for nothing because of one people said something about a thing they got no control over anyway. (internetz for you)

 

[Treblaine]

We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"

The claim is based on no evidence whatsoever. You just said she's gay because it sounds cool to you. She shows no signs of being gay.

Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex. This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react. Most grow out of this, like most people do. Lara, however, is still rather young and not awkward at all around men. Since Sam implies she's rather antisocial, it is highly unlikely she matured quicker in this regard.

Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality. Lara shows nothing but love and respect for those with authority over her.

Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around. Flaunting attracts male attention, which they do not want. While Lara's outfit is more conservative than before, it still attracts male attention.

All the evidence says "straight straight straight". So what? It's not like homosexuals already get more fictional representations than exist in real life. Not like her being straight in cannon is going to ruin your Lara/Sam slashfic.

Not me. The WRITER of the latest game merely considered the possibility. But you seem to be ruling out not jsut the possibility, but of even considering the possibility.

A character does NOT have to have shown signs of being gay to be revealed to have been gay. This is not something you have to foreshadow.

Homosexuals tend to be uncomfortable with the opposite sex.

How are tendencies relevant to Lara who is a character of exceptional confidence, drive and composure.

This is because, lacking attraction to them, they don't know how to react.

That's ridiculous, you don't need to be attracted to them to "know how" to react. And what's to know? I don't need to be attracted to gay men to "know how" to react to them... obviously, like any other person.

Even if you are gay and that's your experience you can't say that's the case for all homosexuals. Lara is proven to be very cool under extreme circumstances, god damn Velociraptors and Tyrannosaurus Rex coming at her.

Homosexuals tend to rebel against authority because of authoritative crushing of their sexuality.

It's established in the first game she rebelled against her parents plans for an arranged marriage. She is totally estranged from them.

Lesbians specifically do not flaunt around.

Lara doesn't flaunt around. And what makes you qualified to speak for all lesbians that they "specifically" do or don't do?!?! How are lesbians "specified" in this way?

And Lara regularly wears a cloak of some sort when transitioning from civilisation to a remote ruins, then discards the cloak when climbing is needed.

You have to realise, in the original run SWIMMING WAS SUCH A VITAL MECHANIC! Water was used all the time to move objects and gain different types of access to different areas. It's SO INCREDIBLY hard to swim in long baggy clothes, and when you get out of the water you are much heavier from water sodden clothes that wick away the heat EXTREMELY fast.

So all the "huur, why's she wearing a swimsuit, what, is she going to go swimming?"

YES! That's the whole thing about Lara discovering things that others had not discovered before, she explores in a very unconventional manner combining swimming through flooded cave systems with free-hand rock climbing to access places most would never consider accessible. And doing so independently, without support and implied to be without sanction from local authorities or international institutions. Most explorers stay away from the territory of predator species and aren't allowed to kill them as they are protected species...

but Lara, she doesn't give a fuck. She owns, transports and uses firearms in brazen violation of local law to kill any endangered species in her way. Hell, she has high capacity handguns in the UK... where they are EXTREMELY illegal. To give Americans an idea of how illegal this is this is like in America owning their own personal truck bomb or nerve gas stockpile. As far as the law is concerned private citizens ONLY own them for mass murder.

All the evidence says "straight straight straight".

It's like you are doing an impression of the most incompetent lawyer in the world in the most ridiculous trial.

 

[IamGamer41]

Perhaps you need to replay the game and listen to what Sam said. She said her or Lara didn't expect them to run into so many cute guys. That imply they both like guys.

What makes you think Sam can speak for Lara?

This isn't about likelihood in a game series with magically resurrected dinosaurs, fire breathing dragons, Atlantis mutant creatures and evil Egyptian gods trying to take over the world.

Lara isn't a mythical creature. She is a human being from an Earth similar to our own. She is from a culture similar to that of modern Europe, where homosexuality is rare.

Yes, and it's entirely possible that a human being from earth might be gay.

We accept so many other things about Lara Lara that are rare and exceptional but suddenly when it comes to her sexuality she HAS to be "normal"

It seems you missed the social phenomenon of her being a massive-breasted sex object.

Yeah, that's because I played the games... didn't just listen to the sexist jokes about Lara. You really do seem to act like the mean things said about Lara are more important than the way she was actually depicted in games.

What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.

What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.

Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.

 

[Malfy]

I remember reading an article about a game around ten years ago that had a lesbian main character. She was doing her sidekick I believe, and the game was not subtle about it during one of the endings. I think it was called Fear Factor, can't really remember, never played it. If Lara was rebooted as a lesbian, I'd want it to be a sidenote, especially if Crystal Dynamics wants people to treat the series seriously again. Or hell, let the player decide what sexuality they want her to be, and how flagrant she is with expressing it. Why the hell not.

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

I'm not saying she is a Lesbian. I'm saying it wouldn't be a violation of what we've already seen if she was.

Incorrect. Lara went on dates with guys and even kissed a guy (that's just this one game). Not behavior consistent with homosexuality. She is confirmed as heterosexual. No. The claim has no legs to stand on.

That proves nothing. One: Homosexuals having liaisons and even getting married to heterosexuals is hardly unheard of. Two, that doesn't preclude her being bisexual. Three, she kissed a guy -on the cheek-. That means exactly nothing.

That is hilarious! I provide the obvious evidence that she's straight and you say its meaningless just because it is. You have NO REASON for believing that she's gay beyond wanting to imagine a steaming Lara/Sam moment. The evidence says that she's straight and you say "no, she's not just in the minority of being gay, but one of the gays that does go on dates with hetersexuals". You're claiming that it is more reasonable to believe she's in the minority of a minority than just in the majority she is clearly in.

Lara is into dudes. Get over it.

You're putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying she is, I'm saying that Rhianna Pratchett isn't committing some grave offense by considering it, and that it wouldn't actually be a big deal if it was. I don't give a damn either way. That said, your supposed evidence is flimsy to the extreme anyway.

 

[Erttheking]

*sigh* An I the only one feeling that heterosexuality is becoming unpopular? And our next generation we will have to make only love with our gender, or else your some kind of a weirdo?

Sorry to say but I think you're alone on that one. There was plenty of heterosexual love in Mass Effect, Dues Ex HR, Far Cry 3, Skyrim, Gears of War, Assassin's Creed and the Walking Dead. Being heterosexual isn't becoming unpopular because one author toyed with the idea of making one character gay.

 

[Treblaine]

What makes me think Sam can speak for Lara? Well the fact that they are best friends. Im sure your best friends know what you would say or think of in most situations. But since you want to go on about this lets look at it closer.

I discovered I didn't know a lot of things about my best friends... and they don't know a lot about me.

It's not a rule that people MUST come out to their BFF's. It cam be the most difficult thing in the world to come out on something like that as they worry how it may jeopardise their freindship... or even possible intimate relationship. In a nutshell: IT'S COMPLICATED!

What Sam said implied Lara was surprised to see so many cute guys. Thus meaning Lara had some kinda interest in that happening. So one could surmise that Lara liked cute guys which means she isn't gay. Bi maybe and Im sure that would make everyone happy.

You are so clueless... it's like you've only ever seen the crudest stereotypes of homosexuality on low-rate TV shows.

Just... admit you have no clue. It's like trying to tell me that Venus Fly Trap plants are in fact animals, just because they can move and eat other animals.

Like I said before they do not need to reconn beloved characters into things just to please some minority.

Stop saying that as if it would somehow jeopardise how beloved she was, and stop acting like this is just to please a minority. It is the loud and bitter minority who is the only ones objecting to this.

Oh, and you have not responded to 80-90% of the post you quoted... what the hell.