Torchlight 2 Devs Have "No Plans" For Console Release

[AJey]

I dont have to back it up. It already has been done. Just compare PC and console versions of Diablo 3.

*headdesk*

That's is your go to? really?

Have you PLAYED D3 on the PC? Cause the UI looked designed with console in mind long before they announced the console port.

Then there's the fact D3 only has 6 skill slots, total, that's 4 on keyboard, 2 on mouse. Hell, the PS3/Xbox controllers have more buttons then needed.

Not to mention the console version lacks the mandatory online for that RMAH (So I've been lead to believe. There is no fucking way in hell I will sink more money into that shit stain of a game to find out.)

Are we about done? Much fun as it's be to keep blowing holes in your flimsy arguments, I do have better things to do with my time then keep replying to some one that doesn't know they've been beaten awhile ago.

I'll take blame for this one. Should have been more specific. You're right, Diablo might have been designed with a console in mind. That's where UI issues come in, 6 slots etc. But why didnt you mention the most important difference? Controls. Regardless of how you look at it, mouse driven UI is always better, variety of kotkeys that keyboard provides is always better, and of course the accuracy that mouse provides is always better. See, being designed for a console made Diablo worse, as you have demonstrated. So thanks for proving my point, Mr. High-on-the-horse. Next time you go blowing holes, dont aim down or you will shoot yourself in the foot.

and you honestly wonder why people keep calling you a PC fanboy despite saying other wise ..... if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck an all that.

Designed with consoles in mind IS NOT DIABLO 3'S PROBLEM.

It's the fact it's been dumbed down, ACTUALLY dumbed down(you know, that thing you mistakenly think the 'control issue' you seem to enjoy being constantly wrong about is). All form of choice that was in the other Diablo games having been ripped out, in favor of ... the mess we got. D3's problems are long, the control scheme chosen, not one of them.

Which falls back to your earlier Bethesda example, bad devs fucking up a game from the ground floor up, only difference between D3 and a TES game is D3 lacks the benefits of modders to correct the mistakes brought on by the devs incompetence.

Next time you think you've made a point, make sure it's not hinged on the other guy not being more familiar with the game then you.

let me make it simple for you, since context is not your strong suit. Is mouse accuracy and controller accuracy on par? Yes or no?

Would help if your examples didn't suck harder then Paris Hilton had to to get on TV.

But in the context of TL2. Doesn't really matter, less if your an Ember'fuck that guy and every one around him AoE death'Mage. It really doesn't, TL2 doesn't require great aim to slaughter hoards upon hoards of monsters, hit boxes are rather large on a lot of skills, a number of skills have homing, so yeah.

So yeah 'meh, doesn't matter half as much as your making our making it seem in the context of TL2', ya know, kind I been pretty much saying the whole time.

Good to know that you are not interested in the conversation, only your assumed superiority. It takes talent to misconstrue and misinterpret simple things, but you did well. I hope the view from that high horse is good, because it's only in your head.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Good to know that you are not interested in the conversation, only your assumed superiority. It takes talent to misconstrue and misinterpret simple things, but you did well. I hope the view from that high horse is good, because it's only in your head.

so, disagree with you = delusional? That what your saying?

Well I suppose it's to be expected from some one who couldn't be bothered to form an argument beyond 'because I said so'

 

[AJey]

Good to know that you are not interested in the conversation, only your assumed superiority. It takes talent to misconstrue and misinterpret simple things, but you did well. I hope the view from that high horse is good, because it's only in your head.

so, disagree with you = delusional? That what your saying?

Well I suppose it's to be expected from some one who couldn't be bothered to form an argument beyond 'because I said so'

Ha ha ha! This is getting amusing, truly. Your ability to come up with silly conjectures is astonishing. How are you doing that? "disagree with you = delusional?" - how did you come up with that? How? It's contextually bonkers. What the hell?!

So providing direct comparisons is now considered "because I said so"? Great logic, mate. Honestly, your mind works weirdly.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Good to know that you are not interested in the conversation, only your assumed superiority. It takes talent to misconstrue and misinterpret simple things, but you did well. I hope the view from that high horse is good, because it's only in your head.

so, disagree with you = delusional? That what your saying?

Well I suppose it's to be expected from some one who couldn't be bothered to form an argument beyond 'because I said so'

Ha ha ha! This is getting amusing, truly. Your ability to come up with silly conjectures is astonishing. How are you doing that? "disagree with you = delusional?" - how did you come up with that? How? It's contextually bonkers. What the hell?!

So providing direct comparisons is now considered "because I said so"? Great logic, mate. Honestly, your mind works weirdly.

While I COULD waste more of my life explaining something you should be able to figure out on your own, AND continue a discussion about something that, factually, is totally meaningless and at the end of the day nothing more then opinion...

I got my PC back up and running again.

so, yeah ....

My utility for you as a distraction from boredom is pretty much over.

I'd say its been fun, and thought provoking, and you presented you points well, but that would make me a colossal lier on the scale of most American politicians. But as a time waster, you did an satisfactory job, not great but good enough.

So yeah, at the end of the day, this whole discussion was just me using you to stave off boredom for a little while longer via the discussion of something that I don't actually care one way or another about :3

 

[AJey]

Good to know that you are not interested in the conversation, only your assumed superiority. It takes talent to misconstrue and misinterpret simple things, but you did well. I hope the view from that high horse is good, because it's only in your head.

so, disagree with you = delusional? That what your saying?

Well I suppose it's to be expected from some one who couldn't be bothered to form an argument beyond 'because I said so'

Ha ha ha! This is getting amusing, truly. Your ability to come up with silly conjectures is astonishing. How are you doing that? "disagree with you = delusional?" - how did you come up with that? How? It's contextually bonkers. What the hell?!

So providing direct comparisons is now considered "because I said so"? Great logic, mate. Honestly, your mind works weirdly.

While I COULD waste more of my life explaining something you should be able to figure out on your own, AND continue a discussion about something that, factually, is totally meaningless and at the end of the day nothing more then opinion...

I got my PC back up and running again.

so, yeah ....

My utility for you as a distraction from boredom is pretty much over.

I'd say its been fun, and thought provoking, and you presented you points well, but that would make me a colossal lier on the scale of most American politicians. But as a time waster, you did an satisfactory job, not great but good enough.

So yeah, at the end of the day, this whole discussion was just me using you to stave off boredom for a little while longer via the discussion of something that I don't actually care one way or another about :3

Yeah, yeah... distraction, fun, boredom, blah blah blah. Whatever rows your boat, buddy. Seen too many of you heyboard heroes to give a shit. Just keep thinking you're right by default. It served you good so far, right?

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yeah, yeah... distraction, fun, boredom, blah blah blah. Whatever rows your boat, buddy. Seen too many of you heyboard heroes to give a shit. Just keep thinking you're right by default. It served you good so far, right?

would help if you knew how to make a point with out killing it at the same time.

more over, you once again, missed an important detail.

I never cared about any of this to begin with

 

[AJey]

Yeah, yeah... distraction, fun, boredom, blah blah blah. Whatever rows your boat, buddy. Seen too many of you heyboard heroes to give a shit. Just keep thinking you're right by default. It served you good so far, right?

would help if you knew how to make a point with out killing it at the same time.

more over, you once again, missed an important detail.

I never cared about any of this to begin with

For someone who doesnt care, you are rather eager to reply. So keep on repeating that. Maybe it will magically become true.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yeah, yeah... distraction, fun, boredom, blah blah blah. Whatever rows your boat, buddy. Seen too many of you heyboard heroes to give a shit. Just keep thinking you're right by default. It served you good so far, right?

would help if you knew how to make a point with out killing it at the same time.

more over, you once again, missed an important detail.

I never cared about any of this to begin with

For someone who doesnt care, you are rather eager to reply. So keep on repeating that. Maybe it will magically become true.

about the KB/M VS game pad thing? not at all. but then, pretty sure you noticed that conversation died about the time i refused to take the bait of your leading question.

just replying to your personal attacks against me now. don't like it stop replying

 

[AJey]

Yeah, yeah... distraction, fun, boredom, blah blah blah. Whatever rows your boat, buddy. Seen too many of you heyboard heroes to give a shit. Just keep thinking you're right by default. It served you good so far, right?

would help if you knew how to make a point with out killing it at the same time.

more over, you once again, missed an important detail.

I never cared about any of this to begin with

For someone who doesnt care, you are rather eager to reply. So keep on repeating that. Maybe it will magically become true.

about the KB/M VS game pad thing? not at all. but then, pretty sure you noticed that conversation died about the time i refused to take the bait of your leading question.

just replying to your personal attacks against me now. don't like it stop replying

Personal attacks? Ha ha ha! You are a funny guy, Mr. double-standard.

 

[AJey]

Preference has nothing to do with it. You can prefer an inferior system and be happy with it. I am talking about objective advantages. So you agree RTS are better on PC. What about FPS? Shooting is more accurate with a mouse how ever you look at it. What about action RPGs? A mouse gives you much better precision. Racing can be better with controller, and platformers, and point-and-click adventures, and simulators etc. Just like I said, both have their advantageous genres. Why you refuse to see that action RPGs are better on PC is beyond me.

What objective advantage would that be? If you're fighting against the AI, there's not much of an advantage because of your control scheme. If you're playing against others, I'm unaware of a game that allows different control methods, so again no advantage. I don't see them as superior because I've had no problems in games with either control methods. I'm not a snob who demands to be accomodated and can adapt to what's given to me. So again, why with no coaxing did you have to come in here and piss all over everything in the name of superiority?

So now you gonna put words in my mouth? Who asked to be accommodated exactly? I dont remember myself doing that.

The fact that you have to ask what advantages mouse offers says a lot to me. Your little conjecture about AI or other players is irrelevant. Mouse is better for aiming. Period. End of story. If you cant understand such simple fact, you have no business schooling others.

Your lambasting of the other poster when he gave a thought out control scheme. You'd rather play on a keyboard and mouse, where you can have everything at your fingertips, but you dismiss instead of recognizing a controller scheme that would work. You're wanting to be accomodated.

Mouse is better for aiming, okay; but if all your opponents are using the same thing is it really an advantage or just putting yourself on a level playing field? As for my "conjecture" about the AI; they're there to be destroyed, your control method of doing so preferential. I also don't play many shooters, because I find them bland, so I'll cede that one to you. I also never claimed to have schooled you or anyone.

I'll ask again, why without coaxing did you feel the need to come here and piss all over everything? Especially when the announcement was there isn't going to be a console version. Are you that starved for attention and acceptance?

Let me clear one thing up - I never dismissed alternative control schemes. Never. I was comparing keyboard + mouse to controller. That was my crime in this comment thread. I admit, my original comment came off arrogant and angry, but angry is exactly what i feel when I read about cross-platforming and ports. For example, pretty much everyone can agree that FPS with a mouse is much more efficient. But because consoles are dominant gaming platforms, most FPSs come out on consoles and maybe get a port to PC (not often a good port I might add). Or take Skyrim and how its UI was designed for a console, thus making it extremely inconvenient. Same problem with JRPGs since all of them are designed with a controller in mind, so you cant have mechanically complex game. You dont have enough control freedom and flexibility. Just like I said to others, every genre has its advantageous platform. My problem, my original problem that I implied in that very first comment, was that developers often disregard what is best for the game, and choose what is best for making money. I'm mainly PC gamer, but I like occasional Wii, or a JRPG on PS3, I even picked up Pokemon Black and White for DS a week ago and am interested in new Vita approach. I just hate when a game can have more complexity, freedom or simple convenience, and it all is ignored for the sake of availability.