TotalBiscuit Takedown Notice

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Ed130 The Vanguard

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Andy Shandy said:
Okay, looks like FUN may well be responsible for this, judging by this picture of an email/message TB received from them.


Either that or this Jasmine person is the one that did it =P

Although it might all be "photoshop games" XD

[Tweet t=https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/status/434472707048996864]
Well if the email response was stupid, then the Twitter reply accusing Totalbiscuit of playing with Photoshop was downright retarded.

It looks more and more likely that it wasn't a troll who issued the takedown notice.

Lets hope TB really goes to town on them.
 

Weaver

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Their Twitter account is run by a fucking moron.
I'm actually in shock at how little they care they could be extradited to the US, tried for DMCA violations then throw in jail.
 

Alcom1

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Oh man, another Tweet. This... I don't have words or gifs or lolcats to describe my feelings over this.
https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/status/434477824758382592
 

Qvar

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Their Twitter account is run by a fucking moron.
I'm actually in shock at how little they care they could be extradited to the US, tried for DMCA violations then throw in jail.
Are you kidding? Extradition over some stupid US copyright law? I don't know where's that guy from, but I doubt there's a country in the whole world willing to suck so much dick. Are you even aware that extradition requires the act to constitute a crime at the state where the subject is located at?
 

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I have both of their twitter accounts open waiting for a (1) to pop up on either one so I can continue laughing my ass of at this one.

I hope FUN get what's coming to them. They sure as hell deserve it.
 

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Qvar said:
Weaver said:
Their Twitter account is run by a fucking moron.
I'm actually in shock at how little they care they could be extradited to the US, tried for DMCA violations then throw in jail.
Are you kidding? Extradition over some stupid US copyright law? I don't know where's that guy from, but I doubt there's a country in the whole world willing to suck so much dick. Are you even aware that extradition requires the act to constitute a crime at the state where the subject is located at?
Okay fine, you're probably right; but these jokers are making me really angry.
No, I don't know extradition laws. I'm not even American, by the way.
That said, it's not like international law ever stopped America before.

They're holding his channel hostage (one more claim will shut down his account) and claiming someone (they seem to think it was EA) blackmailed him to say bad things about their game, which they gave him a review code for. Then claimed the emails proving this were photoshopped. Then the recent video proving they weren't photoshopped they're just playing dumb.

https://twitter.com/FUNCreators
 

the doom cannon

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Andy Shandy said:
Okay, looks like FUN may well be responsible for this, judging by this picture of an email/message TB received from them.
Either that or this Jasmine person is the one that did it =P

Although it might all be "photoshop games" XD
LOL. They do realize TB is based in the US right? right? That's just pathetic

For everyone who wants to eat their popcorn:

FUN Creators: https://twitter.com/FUNCreators

Total Biscuit: https://twitter.com/cynicalbrit
 

Crazy Zaul

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Looking their emails with Zooc, so far it looks like the Devs might actually win this one. They basically said "we have hardcore lawyers, come at me bro".
 

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Crazy Zaul said:
Looking their emails with Zooc, so far it looks like the Devs might actually win this one. They basically said "we have hardcore lawyers, come at me bro".
TB makes enough money to where he can hire one as well, and if this is anything like how the last incident like this was and TB has documentation then the courts will rule with him because they gave the rights to do so, not to mention that the Fair Use Act of 1976 protects criticism by reviewers.
 

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After reading their twitter feed, I'm 100% on the side of Total Biscuit. IF the claim WASN'T made by FUN creators, he would've simply turned this into more ammunition for the terrible Youtube Copyright system. Photoshopping an email from FUN would do literally NOTHING for him.

I have no sympathy for when their company goes under for the scummy decisions they've made and their terrible game.
 

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And this is why you make sure you get good PR staff who give a clear, calm response. A company acting like a hyperactive hysterical child is only going to create a bigger shitstorm for itself. Fun is looking like a company where the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing (which would also explain the bad game) and it's likely this which is the cause of most of its problems.

I'm available for a resonable price fyi Fun if you're reading, all you'd have to do is make some lovely gifs for my avatar. I await your call.
 

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Neronium said:
Crazy Zaul said:
Looking their emails with Zooc, so far it looks like the Devs might actually win this one. They basically said "we have hardcore lawyers, come at me bro".
TB makes enough money to where he can hire one as well, and if this is anything like how the last incident like this was and TB has documentation then the courts will rule with him because they gave the rights to do so, not to mention that the Fair Use Act of 1976 protects criticism by reviewers.
I also think that was a lot of bravado and chest puffing. They're a small indie studio. I really doubt they're rolling in cash like they think.
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This is just getting surreal.

Who the hell is running things over at FUN?
Agreed. I'm in shock. It's like the decided to hire a belligerent 14 year old kid with a loose grasp of English to manage their PR.
 

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Alcom1 said:
Oh man, another Tweet. This... I don't have words or gifs or lolcats to describe my feelings over this.
https://twitter.com/FUNCreators/status/434477824758382592
Whoever operates that twitter sure knows how not to deal with totally founded criticism. Accusing TB of faking the email is utterly stupid. His openness and honestly is what he does. Not to mention he has the resources to fight this every step of the way (and the EFF would probably help if he didn't). I laughed like a maniac when I saw this news.
 

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I'm not sure it is actually bad PR. The people who watch the videos - us, essentially - are the people who know about the takedown notices, except we wouldn't have bought it anyway because we know what total shit it is. Unless they were going to revolutionarily improve the game, in which case they have lost their chance at TB then doing a video saying "Hey, it isn't shit any more, so buy it" where now he probably will not do any such thing were that to happen, or at the very least wouldn't be glowing with praise and will probably mention that they were bastards earlier.
 

TheEvilCheese

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
I'm not sure it is actually bad PR. The people who watch the videos - us, essentially - are the people who know about the takedown notices, except we wouldn't have bought it anyway because we know what total shit it is. Unless they were going to revolutionarily improve the game, in which case they have lost their chance at TB then doing a video saying "Hey, it isn't shit any more, so buy it" where now he probably will not do any such thing were that to happen, or at the very least wouldn't be glowing with praise and will probably mention that they were bastards earlier.
It becomes bad PR when the video TB inevitably makes about the incident gets 10x the views his critique did, reaching an extremely wide audience. That's what happened with D1GI and it destroyed them.

Latest development, Zooc uploaded this.
That's one way to debunk baseless accusations.
 

Weaver

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Well, TB said Polaris is handling it now.

So if they want to go to court with Maker Studios (which Time Warner has a controlling share in), then I think they're going to have a pretty bad day.
 

Canadamus Prime

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If I'm not mistaken a lot of this and similar incidents have to do with the fact that many of these companies outsource their copyright protection whatevers to a 3rd party, and even then it's largely handled by automated bots. Of course both of those are incredibly stupid things to do.
 

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krazykidd said:
Mangod said:
So... Total Biscuit/Cynical Brit/John Bain posted two videos on YouTube not too long ago, a first impressions-video for Guise of the Wolf, and a recording of the research stream for the same game. Guess which videos have been hit by takedown notices?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ask3Dn1ocIQ

... this is just unbelievable; do these people seriously not see how this kind of attempted censorship harms their product and reputation? And this isn't the first time, either; TB got hit with a takedown notice for his video on Day One: Garry's Incident as well when he blasted that game for being, pardon the language, utter garbage.

I can't wait to see how FUN Creators (yes, that's their name. FUN. I beg to differ) try to justify this, because I can't imagine this going over particularly well.

Captcha: third degree...

Well, I reckon FUN are gonna get burned by this.
Actually you know what ? I get it. Why would i want a bunch of randomers talking about my games. Especially if it's a bad game or they are known to say bad things about their games. Sure it's free publicity, but only if the reviewer liked it. If the reviewer hated it, and is a popular figure, then it's bad for business. Yes it's a way to control information about their games , but i do believe only certain people should be allowed to " review" games not every tom, dick and harry with a camera ( i'm not saying that's what total biscuit is).


Its not that i necessarily agree with the reasons for taking down/flagging videos. It's just that i understand where they are coming from.
The main issue with this is, that it's illegal. In the US, where Totalbiscuit is based out of currently (and in most countries with any sort of half-decent laws). A review falls under fair use for *exactly* this reason. Because if it didn't, anyone could force any review they didn't like to be taken down and the consumers would be unable to get any sort of raw, unbiased opinion on the product. The developer's opinion regarding the review is completely irrelevant. Reviews fall under fair use and are protected speech. And quite honestly, the more reviews are available, the better it is for the consumers. Especially with how friendly mainstream game journalism has become with publishers and various entertainment corporations.

If you make a shitty game (and let's be real, they knew they'd made a shitty game. NO ONE could have looked at Guise of the Wolf and go "You know what? That's done and completely ready to put up for sale") then you put on your bigboy pants and take your lumps. If Totalbiscuit puts up a first-impressions video where he points out every major bug and mistake he can find, you go "Thank you for the constructive criticism," and you try to do better next time. That is, if you actually care about being a competent and honest game developer.

If you just want to put out a half-finished product and hope a bunch of uninformed people buy it before the bad word gets out, then yeah, they're basically following the playbook. But all this does is hurt them in the end, and show what a terrible sort of development company they are. The best thing they could do is change their company name and remove Guise of the Wolf from their resumes so that no one recognizes them and rightfully refuses to buy their future products.