Caricature =/= satire.ReiverCorrupter said:
Mass murder isn't an imitable behavior (by any practical imagining in reasonable discussion). So, while overly-violent entertainment may be a problem, it's not as immediate problem as entertainment that does things like DNF. People are far more likely to imitate the game's objectification of women than they are acts of war, because:Baresark said:
And? Yeah, it happens both ways. It happens far more often toward women. But regardless, the idea that it goes both ways doesn't mean it's not a problem. It just means its an even bigger problem. Or would we suggest that war isn't a problem since both sides are allowed to shoot? (Called a tu quoque fallacy, by the by)
He used to wear a pink shirt and swore to the villain he'd defeat him fast enough to be back in time to watch Oprah.
I think a caricature is pretty damn close to being satire. Do you really think people who tell dead baby jokes actually hate or want to eat babies? I'm pretty sure most of them just tell the jokes for shock value, and I think it's the same thing for Duke Nukem. This game isn't going to destroy western society. I doubt it will affect very many young girls at all because there aren't going to be that many young girls playing it. Certainly any parent who lets their young child play the game is just a horrible parent. Duke also takes steroids and flings poop, do you think Gearbox endorses those kind of actions as well?Dastardly said:
Shock value =/= satire, either. Satire is something completely different, and people should avoid using words they don't understand the meaning of.ReiverCorrupter said:
Of course not. It's a symptom, not a cause. But it's not the little girls we're worried about. It's the little boys (or the GROWN "little boys") that are basking in the glory of this objectified vision of women, and how it impacts their outlook and expectations of those girls.
1. Who has said anything about this ending Western society? I'm just saying games like this are more destructive than they are productive, and they're nothing to be proud of in the least. That's not the same as what you're saying I'm saying.
You are arguing that how a porn film is sexist because it has naked chicks.Dastardly said:
The mass murder depicted in CoD and other games of that type is very imitable. It happens every day, and it's not the depiction and fantasy acts of it that are problematic, it's the desensitizing of the populace to it, and the idea of an increase in popularity of a chiefly military culture. THis is not an issue really though, because most people understand that this is not reality.Dastardly said:
Right. It's the use of sarcasm in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice or folly.Baresark said:
I'm not sure what you think that'll prove. I'm not trying to get this game pulled from the shelves. I just think it's a clear example of what's wrong with this industry. Manchildren making fan-service games, claiming that they're "satire," when there's clearly not even the slightest hint of an inkling of the beginning of the smallest bit of understanding as to even the most vague definition of "satire."Vibhor said:
Haha, then I'll simply take this root. It's not satire, and no one cares if it is or not. You care, because it's the single thing that is repeated in all the comments that you seem to be able to deal with. So, you have the idea of satire down better than anyone on this whole entire forum. But your arguments are still bunk. You are upset about this portraying or glorifying a problem you see in our culture, but the only person who is having trouble with the concept of this game is you. Don't be offended for other people, they can do it on their own. Don't pay attention to the game, it's not for you, or people like you. I'll play it, have a good laugh, then go cuddle with my girlfriend and tell her about some of the stuff in it that made me laugh, then she'll laugh. You see, that is how adults handle this kind of thing. You roll with punches, or you get knocked out. You are just about knocked out because your idea of what is and is not acceptable in society isn't realistic. People will find things funny that are inappropriate. That is a fact of life. Live with it, or don't, but the only person hurt by your ideas are you, not anyone else.Dastardly said:
Don't replace them with racist references, it's not nearly the same thing. Man children make games to make money, end of story. It's not satire, it's a game, live with that fact.Dastardly said:
Lol. I never said shock value was the same thing as satire. Satire is when you make fun of something by imitating it in a comical or over-the-top manner. The shock value emerges from the over-the-top nature of Duke Nukem's satire. The game also has steroid use because that fits into the ultra masculine archetype that the game is lampooning.Dastardly said:
The 'cause' is people not having critical thinking skills. If a young boy cannot realize that Duke Nukem is wholly unrealistic and shouldn't be imitated it's because he lacks the mental capacity to make this realization. Either he is too young and his parents shouldn't let him play the game, or he's just stupid.Dastardly said:
Of course it's more destructive than productive, the vast majority of video games are. They're generally mindless entertainment, with few exceptions. But once again, if you think it's destructive because of the negative stereotypes, then I have to tell you, there's about 100,000 things you should be more concerned about. A video game that clearly doesn't take itself seriously won't be taken seriously by anyone else who has a brain. There are far worse things like the anorexic models you see all over the place. Those women are seriously held up as the paragons of beauty. They're much more destructive to young girls than some pixelated women in a campy video game.Dastardly said:
Meh. Sure it's dickish. If they aren't comfortable with you then you shouldn't make those jokes around them. However, it would be much better for them if they were able to deflect your joke right back at you with a racist joke of their own. And it would be even better if you laughed at it. Nothing solves tension like a little humor. The most important thing is to have a sense of humor about yourself. No one likes somebody who can dish it out but can't take it.Dastardly said:
Well put, sah.ReiverCorrupter said:
