Trailers: Duke Nukem Forever: Babes
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We should all be ok with that, CoD was marketed in a way that makes all the players mass murderers. I would rather people buy the game to see fake digital tits than because you get to kill your friends over and over again. Also, this is completely fantasy oriented and doesn't look realistic at all, unlike CoD which is marketed as an ultra fast paced shooter with ultra realistic graphics. Truthfully, I'm fine with both games as they are, just wanted people to see that murder is cool, but tits aren't. That sets our whole civilization back. Also, it's clearly going to be rated for mature audiences... so there isn't a rating issue.Dastardly said:
I think you should probably not play the game, that is my best advice for you. Besides, objectification based on sex happens both ways. It's definitely a two way street. The American thing to do is actually to walk away from the game and not pay it any mind.Dastardly said:
Edit OT: In Duke Nukem 3D, you could give a pole dancer money, then kill her. This is probably a bit more tasteful than that. Also, women dance around for money, and yes, even have sex for money. Some probably pretend to enjoy it, and others still actually enjoy both those activities. Not every woman in the world is depicted as a sex crazed stripper/prostitute, just the women in this game. The crazy part.... This is an accurate show of how some people really are. I know real life Duke Nukem types, and I know some of the strippers/prostitutes they hang out with. Of course the game is satirical in nature. It's satire of sub division of our society. I LOVE IT!!!!
They're making him a completely unrealistic, ridiculous, over-the-top hero in order to make fun of how completely ridiculous male chauvinism actually is. Do you seriously think that this game takes itself seriously? The stuff that is truly sexist and damaging to women is stuff like Twilight that basically tells them that there only worth is their chastity and whether men want them.Dastardly said:
For those who do not understand the joke: try googling what tongue-in-cheek humor is. The world of DNF is so over-the-top ridiculous that to not notice, you have to either not have a sense of humor, be a clusterf... of bad experiences towards men, or just have a giant rod stuck up your behind.
Caricature =/= satire.ReiverCorrupter said:
Of course the game doesn't take itself seriously. Do you think most racists take their jokes seriously? No. But the intent behind the jokes is still there, and still quite real. If I run around yelling about how all Japanese people have inside-out genitals or something, do I really believe something like that? No, but the fact that I feel it's okay to run around making fun of Japanese people shows that I do believe some rather twisted-up things about them.
Mass murder isn't an imitable behavior (by any practical imagining in reasonable discussion). So, while overly-violent entertainment may be a problem, it's not as immediate problem as entertainment that does things like DNF. People are far more likely to imitate the game's objectification of women than they are acts of war, because:Baresark said:
1. It's easier to do.
2. It's cheaper.
3. It's legal.
4. It's easier for people to ignore and pretend it's not a problem.
And? Yeah, it happens both ways. It happens far more often toward women. But regardless, the idea that it goes both ways doesn't mean it's not a problem. It just means its an even bigger problem. Or would we suggest that war isn't a problem since both sides are allowed to shoot? (Called a tu quoque fallacy, by the by)
Your edit still shows a clear lack of understanding of what "satire" is. Right now, it's just a buzz word people throw around to give a free pass to the racist/sexist/etc. jokes they want to be able to enjoy.
Have you played a Duke Nukem before DN3D? 
He used to wear a pink shirt and swore to the villain he'd defeat him fast enough to be back in time to watch Oprah.
He used to wear a pink shirt and swore to the villain he'd defeat him fast enough to be back in time to watch Oprah.
I think a caricature is pretty damn close to being satire. Do you really think people who tell dead baby jokes actually hate or want to eat babies? I'm pretty sure most of them just tell the jokes for shock value, and I think it's the same thing for Duke Nukem. This game isn't going to destroy western society. I doubt it will affect very many young girls at all because there aren't going to be that many young girls playing it. Certainly any parent who lets their young child play the game is just a horrible parent. Duke also takes steroids and flings poop, do you think Gearbox endorses those kind of actions as well?Dastardly said:
It could be the case that Randy Pitchford really does think all women should be sluts, and is secretly trying to undermine all women in American society with this game, but I frankly find that scenario rather unlikely. You're basically saying it's a sin to find humor in anything even mildly offensive because it means that you wholeheartedly embrace the value system of the joke. That's a load of bull in my opinion. In fact, I think that if everyone had more of a sense of humor there would be much less conflict in the world. It's the people that take everything deadly seriously that you have to watch out for.
Shock value =/= satire, either. Satire is something completely different, and people should avoid using words they don't understand the meaning of.ReiverCorrupter said:
Of course not. It's a symptom, not a cause. But it's not the little girls we're worried about. It's the little boys (or the GROWN "little boys") that are basking in the glory of this objectified vision of women, and how it impacts their outlook and expectations of those girls.
1. Who has said anything about this ending Western society? I'm just saying games like this are more destructive than they are productive, and they're nothing to be proud of in the least. That's not the same as what you're saying I'm saying.
2. Sure, I can laugh at jokes that make fun of myself--in company I enjoy and trust. And, hell, I can laugh at jokes about, say, black people. It's easy for me, because I'm not a black person. But that's the ticket, isn't it? It's easy to tell someone to "have a sense of humor" when you're making fun of them. It's also kind of dickish, truth told.
You are arguing that how a porn film is sexist because it has naked chicks.Dastardly said:
Its people like you that doesn't allow the industry to mature, people like you make stupid moral guardians.
The trailer clearly said that those who are easily offended close their eyes and the game is rated for 18 year olds not the 13 year old.
If any kid gets their hands on the game go blame the parents not gearbox just cause they made the game.
And just so that you get more steamed I am going to advertise this game in my area.
The mass murder depicted in CoD and other games of that type is very imitable. It happens every day, and it's not the depiction and fantasy acts of it that are problematic, it's the desensitizing of the populace to it, and the idea of an increase in popularity of a chiefly military culture. THis is not an issue really though, because most people understand that this is not reality.Dastardly said:
Also, it's not actually a problem. For some people, such as yourself, it's a huge problem. But unless you are a female that has dealt directly with said issues, I don't really think you have a leg to stand on. If girls are upset by this, it makes sense, but if you are not an objectified female yourself, then you shouldn't worry about them. My girlfriend thinks this game is hilarious looking. She is a very intelligent and highly logical person. She just isn't so serious, and is able to figure this as some adolescent fantasy that is no more harmful than CoD.
You have an issue, and it's all about you having the issue, not the world, and not society or videogames. Like I said, you should just not pay any attention to the game.
PS. Satire is: the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly.
This game fits that pretty well. The sex and violence depicted is obviously the folly in question, and it's very sarcastic in nature, as depicted by the extreme version of all the things that offend you so easily.
Right. It's the use of sarcasm in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice or folly.Baresark said:
The idea is that satire uses the vice, and then exposes it as a bad thing. It doesn't just use it. Sarcasm is the same thing. Verbal irony, in which the user makes very clear the fact that what they are saying is not what they believe.
Exaggeration is not the same thing. Your own definition proves definitively that this is not an example of satire.
I'm not sure what you think that'll prove. I'm not trying to get this game pulled from the shelves. I just think it's a clear example of what's wrong with this industry. Manchildren making fan-service games, claiming that they're "satire," when there's clearly not even the slightest hint of an inkling of the beginning of the smallest bit of understanding as to even the most vague definition of "satire."Vibhor said:
If you replace the sexist references with racist references, you'll notice a humongous difference. Willful ignorance is no excuse. Sell the game, who the hell cares, but call it what it really is. Don't try to make it anything as deep or nuanced as "satire." It's fan-service for man-children that like to look at boobs and think women exist as life support for boobs.
Haha, then I'll simply take this root. It's not satire, and no one cares if it is or not. You care, because it's the single thing that is repeated in all the comments that you seem to be able to deal with. So, you have the idea of satire down better than anyone on this whole entire forum. But your arguments are still bunk. You are upset about this portraying or glorifying a problem you see in our culture, but the only person who is having trouble with the concept of this game is you. Don't be offended for other people, they can do it on their own. Don't pay attention to the game, it's not for you, or people like you. I'll play it, have a good laugh, then go cuddle with my girlfriend and tell her about some of the stuff in it that made me laugh, then she'll laugh. You see, that is how adults handle this kind of thing. You roll with punches, or you get knocked out. You are just about knocked out because your idea of what is and is not acceptable in society isn't realistic. People will find things funny that are inappropriate. That is a fact of life. Live with it, or don't, but the only person hurt by your ideas are you, not anyone else.Dastardly said:
Have fun my contrarian friend, fight your good fight, and people will still buy this game for tits.
Don't replace them with racist references, it's not nearly the same thing. Man children make games to make money, end of story. It's not satire, it's a game, live with that fact.Dastardly said:
Edit: it's perfectly natural for men to want to look at boobs, and as crazy as it sounds, have sex and procreate. You deny the biological push of our whole entire race, don't worry about boobs, I'm sure you won't have any problems.