hell, if i can sneak it past my parents, it'll be for the retro gameplay and over-the-top dukeness more than anything else.Dastardly said:
but i doubt the boobs will hurt sales though...
Trailers: Duke Nukem Forever: Babes
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but i doubt the boobs will hurt sales though...
This isn't satire. Satire makes a point to subversively speak badly about the subject it is pretending to champion. Duke Nukem isn't making "fun" of sexism and the objectification of women. It's making light of it. This isn't satirizing shallow, sex-based, man-child entertainment. This is reveling in it.Gabanuka said:
I'm not a woman, and even I find it unsettlingly awful toward women. Now, as a guy, I do like boobs. They're neat. But I also know that women are more than just life support for those boobs. Duke games do not.
To understand what I'm getting at, just change the subject a bit. Instead of sexism, substitute racism. Blazing Saddles's racism was satire, because the racists were all constantly outed as moronic hicks. They were caricatures and were shown to be wrong on all counts. The movie cites common racist stereotypes in order to prove them wrong, not just to say, "Isn't it funny that (we think) black people are like this?"
If a game were made that capitalized on those stereotypes and celebrated them so openly and unapologetically, there would be fire in the streets. Hell, Resident Evil 5 accidentally left open the implication of racism and got the shit kicked out of it in the press. Now, of course, a lot of white people would be able to sit there saying, "What? We're not serious, it's all in good fun! Can't you just take it as a joke?"
That's not satire. They're not challenging the stereotypes, they're celebrating them and wallowing in them. It's wish fulfillment. They're overdoing it, which makes it slightly comical, but that doesn't turn it into satire. Seriously, that'd be like saying porn is a "satire" of sex because it's comedically crammed full of naked people having sex.
"Anybody mind if I... take off my pants?"
That had my literally laughing out loud. So very subtle, Duke.
Still can not wait for this game, but not for the reasons shown here. However, that was pretty funny nonetheless.
That had my literally laughing out loud. So very subtle, Duke.
Still can not wait for this game, but not for the reasons shown here. However, that was pretty funny nonetheless.
Doesn't that kind of prove they don't need to go so over-the-top to objectify every single woman we've seen connected to the game so far? The game should be fun enough to stand on its own.deathbydeath said:
Like I said above, it'd be like a white comedian dropping a joke that is racist toward non-whites to get the white people in the audience laughing. Yeah, half of them will, but the other half will find it appalling... and the non-white folks in the audience will be furious, and rightfully so. We turn it to racism, suddenly it's not funny... but the man-children making games like this turn it to sexism, and people give it the thumbs-up.
thats duke for you. the whole game is over the top. and besides, i think gearbox is making fun of duke more than anyone else, saying he's a two-note stereotypical white guy with good one liners that can be only appreciated in the ironic senseDastardly said:
Dastardly said:
I see DNF as the developers taking the piss out of modern games and the controversy they cause. They know full well that they're being sexist and are gonna stir the pot and I feel like that was the plan all along. The very idea that the game is being made is a joke in itself so the developers probably thought "Fuck it, lets make this this crudest game ever and mock every other game as we do it."
What I want, is after all this, the game comes out and his life gets saved by some conservatively dressed strong willed female.
Gabanuka said:
Okay, but if I make "ironic" racist jokes over and over and over, does it matter that I personally don't believe the jokes to be true? No. I'm just being a rude, racist jackass. I'm using issues that are sensitive for other people to get attention for myself.deathbydeath said:
It's the only hope of redemption, but the marketing has been so saturated with the opposite that the entire point would be lost. The only people to see that ending would be the ones that bought it for the boobs. Everyone else would only get to see the side people are calling "ironic" sexism.Mouse_Crouse said:
It's not "ironic" if the audience isn't shown the rest of the picture.
Ok mate, you being so pissed of at them is kind of letting them win you know. If this trailer excites you, WIN. If this trailer pisses you off, WIN. The only way this could be defeated is if you'r unphased by it. If this trailer bores you, LOSE.Dastardly said:
Uh huh.
Y'know, I can't help thinking that deliberately stupid is still stupid.
Also, can't help wondering how many people playing it will get the joke. And one thing is for sure, the moral guardian brigade certainly won't.
At least the resulting fireworks will be good for a chuckle.
Y'know, I can't help thinking that deliberately stupid is still stupid.
Also, can't help wondering how many people playing it will get the joke. And one thing is for sure, the moral guardian brigade certainly won't.
At least the resulting fireworks will be good for a chuckle.
It reminded me of how much I liked Duke 3D...when I was 8-12. I've enjoyed most of the trailers up until now but this kind of... well...meh. There's a difference between satire and sinking to their level. It joins the very very short list of games I would be embarrassed to be seen playing. And I play Reccetear.Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
That's a cop-out and you know it. That's the tired argument people use when they want to be allowed to do the thing that they shouldn't be doing.ProtoChimp said:
"The only way to win is to let them do whatever they want and say nothing about it, because if you react, they win!" No, if we say nothing about it, they win. Because they get to put all this marketing up all over the place. Their "side" is being heard, and so should the dissent.
Oh my god, it's so terribly sexist! I refuse to buy this garbage.
*sneaks off to Amazon to pre-order*
*sneaks off to Amazon to pre-order*
Despite all the attention at the time, the girls/strippers really weren't a big part of the original Duke 3D, especially after the first 2 levels. The Plutonium Pak added things like Babes in Toyland, but on balance the sexism thing was kinda overplayed. That trailer isn't ironic, or knowing, or self-referential, or any other half-ass hipster word: it's just someone switching their marketing plan to Boobs Mode. Not sure I'm interested in the game as much any more.
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Colin
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Colin