"Trump Misunderstands Concept Of..." sounds like the title of a weekly series.
Trump misunderstands concept of free speech
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I personally don't like the idea of Twitter being Nationalized. But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to be fair to everyone. If they come up with good points. My personal thoughts is the conservatives who do think social media is being unfair are just victim blaming. But I'm willing to listen... with the caveat that Trump lies and will make stuff up. So it may be pointless
Also, I'd prefer a government to develop their own platform rather than nationalise if it's such a good idea. I'd also really like Gab to be looked at and see how you deal with crimes being planned on your platform and what should be done about that
Far too many times Freedom of Speech by people like hin sounds way too like Freedom from Criticism, which is not a thing. For some reason, some people think that if you say your thoughts in public 1. They are then made true 2. The public will automatically believe them without questioning and follow them into the Holy Land
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Well, I think in the end the conservative idea that they are being censored is mainly because they can't call people the nword, gays the f word, and can't monetize things that blame minorities for things. I mean I'm sure there is some nuance there but I don't really have it in me to do a deep dive into this.
I feel like a government social media platform would be a massive shitshow. Not really because of reliability but because then they would literally have to obey the first amendment, imagine /b/ but worse.
Did anyone think that Twitter was trying to be perfect? Yes, they will get things wrong. No fact checker can get everything right. Twitter should be fact checked as well.
Twitter made a specific policy exception for world leaders precisely because Trump posed them the incredible headache of needing to sanction the serving US president for repeated code of conduct violations. Seriously.
Social media companies are in a difficult place: they've tried letting anyone say anything, and it turns to shit. Then they try moderating, and all they get is a different kind of shit. They're also not very good at it (which is I suspect where many of the problems emerge).
Firstly, moderating an entire world's worth of tweeting is a massive task. After that, you've got some poor sods on low salaries sucking up the misery of sifting through the worst of humanity's vile outpourings - and I hope for their mental health, professional psychological support comes with their job. Then they have to make subjective assessments of content compared to guidelines, plus confusion that those guidelines probably change not infrequently as the company and society constantly mulls over the torrent of shit flying through the interwebs and what needs to be done. So they ARE going to make mistakes, and probably plenty.
After that, lots of people are going to be noisy about censorship. But the right wing has a head start from its decades long war on mainstream media, and has long been in the business of calling anything left of Fox News liberal bias. Also the fact that whilst left-wingers can be plenty nasty, it's mostly right wingers who loudly advocate against homosexuals, racial minorities, etc. in ways that pluck at the strings of discrimination. Because if I've learnt anything about attitudes to free speech, it's that some people really think it's their ultimate, God-given right to fling around terms like "******" and "******" with total impunity.
And then today, Trump retweets a video that openly says "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat". ("He said he wasn't being literal, guys!" Even though he later said he maybe was.) Getting to retweet a video that literally calls for the murder of political opponents- that's some censorship there, huh?
Isn't there meant to be some kind of organisations to I dunno fact check things etc who are paid to put out material and document it for future generations. Oh yeh journalists.
The issue here is or at least seems to be that lies on one side get fact checked while lies by others get nothing.
Trump likely is doing this for petty reasons but it kind of does need to be done or some level of neutrality imposed.
I mean giving all the power to corporations is how most dystopia Sci-Fi properties claim the problems start.
Also don't like 15+ people all jump on Trump's tweets saying that and have been doing so for months? It's a bit unoriginal by now.
The issue here is or at least seems to be that lies on one side get fact checked while lies by others get nothing.
Trump likely is doing this for petty reasons but it kind of does need to be done or some level of neutrality imposed.
I mean giving all the power to corporations is how most dystopia Sci-Fi properties claim the problems start.
The main thrust of the bill seems to be about removing the Platform vs publisher protections some sites enjoy which the idea is meant to be the site isn't liable for whatever users post. However in this case they are now publishing and adding their own information which would make them a publisher of a kind.
I think the present rules are you can as a comparison prune the hedges but you can rip large portions of them out without good reason.
Maybe the issue in this case is it's about more than Trump.
It was ruled Trump is allowed to mute people.
Also don't like 15+ people all jump on Trump's tweets saying that and have been doing so for months? It's a bit unoriginal by now.
If you're Trump then its never about more than Trump. And the one throwing a hissyfit is Trump.
Possibly true but Twitter put their foot in it here by having the most prominent and one of the initial applications be done against Trump and apparently also contain the wrong info that had to be later corrected.
No, the equivalent would be a left-wing extremist running over/shooting up a moderate right-wing protest. I don't recall such a thing in the past 5 years.
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Not sure what you are trying to say here.
Its not a bill, the president can only sign bills, he cannot pass them, only congress can do that. This is an executive action and its really toothless, like, nothing in it matters, it doesn't actually do anything.
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