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Then you've never actually seen Biden on a debate stage.



When you're operating on the cognitive level of a severely impaired chihuahua as Trump is, I imagine most things are interpreted as threats and ambushes.



Have you ever noticed that the people who claim not to have a stake in the race, and are therefor the least informed, are the first ones to offer unsolicited advice to both sides?
LOL having to speak to anyone that doesn't have their head up Trump's arse is an ambush according to Trump. Having to actually answer questions regarding how his policies actually effect people's daily lives is his worst nightmare due to the fact that his policies will directly result in killing the Americans he took an oath to protect.

NO kidding about " no dog in this fight, but that really just means I support Trump because I am going to ignore what Trump actually said/ did here that people are calling a disaster and talk about something else".

Every time someone says something about it being about " aesthetics" or " presentation" and not about his polices or attempt to say " he says it how it is" you now they aren't telling you the truth because the entire problem with Trump IS how his actual polices affect the people and that he can't open his mouth without lying. Nothing to do with aesthetics it has everything to do with content.
 

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Then you've never actually seen Biden on a debate stage.



When you're operating on the cognitive level of a severely impaired chihuahua as Trump is, I imagine most things are interpreted as threats and ambushes.



Have you ever noticed that the people who claim not to have a stake in the race, and are therefor the least informed, are the first ones to offer unsolicited advice to both sides?
Out of curiosity, were you one of the people crying on election day?
 

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Out of curiosity, were you one of the people crying on election day?
Were you? Has the impact of his policies on the lives of those already struggling bothered you? Has the increase in homelessness bothered you? Are you worried about those who will die without access to their medications if ACA is repealed as Trump has promised? Does his implementing monthly premiums to medicaid and kicking people off food stamps bother you? Does it bother you that so many of his own " best people" are telling you he is unfit for office? These are conservatives here that are telling us he is dangerously unfit for office, and that he is ordering people to break the law repeatedly, does that bother you? Does his current plans for poor for the next four years bother you?

I already knew Trump was going to win. So that was exactly what I expected to happen. I told everyone on here that he was going to win but no one listened. I told them he would fire anyone who didn't agree with his illegal and unethical orders, he did that too. I told everyone he was unfit for office, now everyone in his administration who had an ounce of ethics is telling us that exact same thing.. Go figure.

The thing that actually bothers me the most though is those who pretend they care about the people, that pretend that they are not ethically and morally bankrupt can then turn a blind eye to what is actually happening to the people as a direct result of them allowing someone as truly evil and morally corrupt as Trump to get away with what he does and empowering him in the first place. That is what is truly disgusting. I see why Jesus said he didn't even want people dining with someone like Trump, let alone support them.
 

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Every time someone says something about it being about " aesthetics" or " presentation" and not about his polices or attempt to say " he says it how it is" you now they aren't telling you the truth because the entire problem with Trump IS how his actual polices affect the people
The same goes for mainstream Democrats, who have much better aesthetics/presentation and also horrifically bad policies. Because they serve the capitalist class too.
 
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The same goes for mainstream Democrats, who have much better aesthetics/presentation and also horrifically bad policies. Because they serve the capitalist class too.
All I do is discuss the current polices. It is irritating however, when people don't actually discuss the current polices but then talk about other people speculating about the current polices and spreading rumors that are not even true. If we are going to talk about the current policies, we need to make sure we actually do that instead of talking about all these other things that don't actually matter. We need to address them for what they are good and bad, not just pretend they are all bad and ignore the good in them too. The current policies I have read thus far are not bad, and they are certainly better than everything else we have going on right now. Claiming the current policies are " horrifically bad" and then not actually showing me anything current that is " horrifically bad" doesn't help either.

People need to read them themselves, not just post clippits from twitter by someone else who may or may not have read them either.

Have you watched Biden's town hall? Trump's Town Hall?
 
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Were you? Has the impact of his policies on the lives of those already struggling bothered you? Has the increase in homelessness bothered you? Are you worried about those who will die without access to their medications if ACA is repealed as Trump has promised? Does his implementing monthly premiums to medicaid and kicking people off food stamps bother you? Does it bother you that so many of his own " best people" are telling you he is unfit for office? These are conservatives here that are telling us he is dangerously unfit for office, and that he is ordering people to break the law repeatedly, does that bother you? Does his current plans for poor for the next four years bother you?

I already knew Trump was going to win. So that was exactly what I expected to happen. I told everyone on here that he was going to win but no one listened. I told them he would fire anyone who didn't agree with his illegal and unethical orders, he did that too. I told everyone he was unfit for office, now everyone in his administration who had an ounce of ethics is telling us that exact same thing.. Go figure.

The thing that actually bothers me the most though is those who pretend they care about the people, that pretend that they are not ethically and morally bankrupt can then turn a blind eye to what is actually happening to the people as a direct result of them allowing someone as truly evil and morally corrupt as Trump to get away with what he does and empowering him in the first place. That is what is truly disgusting. I see why Jesus said he didn't even want people dining with someone like Trump, let alone support them.
Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.

To be frank, yes, I am affected by all of these things. I just don't delude myself into thinking that one right wing rapist politician who supports police brutality and corporations is any better then another. Taking part in a false paradigm will never offer you real change. The system itself exists to keep you enslaved to a structure that exists for the sole benefit of the one percent. The democrats will never, ever help you. They will never help african americans, native americans, hispanics, or anyone else. Taking part in the system at all is to be complicit in the evils of the system. You talk about caring about the rights of minority people while supporting a party that is responsible for war crimes the world over. Do you believe that you are any more innocent of those sins, then trump supporters are for their support of trump? You wash your hands of their crimes while begging for scraps from biden's table.

The democrats promise the bare minimum possible, and then deliver a compromised version of their policies. A compromise that is easily repealed and forgotten the next time the republicans win. This isn't a mistake. The democrats are aware of the status quo, and wish to maintain it. Every time you worry about healthcare, or minority rights, understand that the system is working as intended. The only way to create change is to burn the system to the ground, and replace it with something that will benefit people the world over, both economically and socially.
 

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Like actions in the past and credibility?
I thought you said we were going to talk about current policy? That is what matters most right now isn't it?

But sure, we can compare BOTH candidates past actions, but it serves us better to compare BOTH candidates present policy as that is what is most important and affect us NOW. As long as we compare them side by side that's fine. It just doesn't serve much purpose when people complain about the past polices of the guy who had homelessness the best it has been in a decade under his watch, but then ignore the fact that it has been increasing nonstop since the other candidate took office and his plans are to only make this worse. What really matters right now is the here and now and the only two choices we have before us.

People change their minds all the time, I don't believe everything I believed 10 years ago, do you? We change our minds, and hopefully for the better. Trump OTOH has only gotten worse over the years and his current policies are completely devastating. Biden's policies he has right now is the best chance we have to help. Th e alternative is to let millions of Americans suffer worse than they ever have and many will not make it 4 years. does what happened year back change any of what we are dealing with right now?
 

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Ma'am, this is a Wendy's.

To be frank, yes, I am affected by all of these things. I just don't delude myself into thinking that one right wing rapist politician who supports police brutality and corporations is any better then another. Taking part in a false paradigm will never offer you real change. The system itself exists to keep you enslaved to a structure that exists for the sole benefit of the one percent. The democrats will never, ever help you. They will never help african americans, native americans, hispanics, or anyone else. Taking part in the system at all is to be complicit in the evils of the system. You talk about caring about the rights of minority people while supporting a party that is responsible for war crimes the world over. Do you believe that you are any more innocent of those sins, then trump supporters are for their support of trump? You wash your hands of their crimes while begging for scraps from biden's table.

The democrats promise the bare minimum possible, and then deliver a compromised version of their policies. A compromise that is easily repealed and forgotten the next time the republicans win. This isn't a mistake. The democrats are aware of the status quo, and wish to maintain it. Every time you worry about healthcare, or minority rights, understand that the system is working as intended. The only way to create change is to burn the system to the ground, and replace it with something that will benefit people the world over, both economically and socially.
You can just compare their policies side by side if you like. IF you think there isn't a difference, compare their actual plans here and the ramifications of those. That is all you have to do to see a difference. It isn't hard. Just looking at their planned budgets for the upcoming year speaks volumes about who will receive help and where. DO Trump supporters even look at policies and how those will affect their friends, family, neighbors? If You want to claim that looking at actual current polices and current voting records to make my decisions, go ahead and show me the " Trump supporters" who are doing that?

Not taking part in the system just erases you. It doesn't change anything. The system is not burnt to the ground, it just keeps going with you silenced is all. In fact, the GOP's entire plan is to try and PREVENT you from voting. You are free to silence yourself, but encouraging others to do so if just you actively helping the GOP. That is why they are in such an uproar over people trying to circumvent their voter suppression obstacles they worked so hard to strategically put into place by voting by mail.

You not voting makes the GOP very very happy. That means their system works! You then, do not matter and no longer have a say in anything.
 
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Then I'll take two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
EWWWW you would eat that stuff? They do not serve anything I consider to be food.
 

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Then I'll take two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
Indeed, I had a KFC for the first time in about 6-7 months yesterday ๐Ÿ˜‹
 

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Indeed, I had a KFC for the first time in about 6-7 months yesterday ๐Ÿ˜‹
But KFC is actually food. :D Wendy's is... well.. not.

I tried to eat it once.. never again. Tasting the same awful thing I ate twice was more than I needed for a lifetime. Crimson5pheonix must have a titanium stomach to be able to digest that stuff.
 
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You can just compare their policies side by side if you like. IF you think there isn't a difference, compare their actual plans here and the ramifications of those. That is all you have to do to see a difference. It isn't hard. Just looking at their planned budgets for the upcoming year speaks volumes about who will receive help and where.

Not taking part in the system just erases you. It doesn't change anything. In fact, the GOP's entire plan is to try and PREVENT you from voting. That is why they are in such an uproar over people trying to circumvent their voter suppression obstacles they worked so hard to strategically put into place by voting by mail.

You not voting makes the GOP very very happy. That means their system works! You then, do not matter and no longer have a say in anything.
You will never reform the capitalist society in which you live by working through the system that they themselves created. The reason that voting is pointless is because they have disenfranchised you, whether you vote or not. You have access to the illusion of choice. Whether biden or trump wins, the richest americans will continue to get richer at the expense of the poorest. You don't have any real choice at all. Your leaders are chosen for you. They take part in a system that's artificially designed to maintain the status quo, and to give none establishment candidates a non existent path to success. The platforms the two candidates select are also chosen by upper elites. You then vote every two to four years, and think that you have input into the system. Even if your side wins, you never really get what you were promised. But it's blamed on the other side.

This isn't a representative democracy, it's a total farce. There is no victory through this system. The only way to win is to not play at all. Burn the system down in its entirety, and replace it with something new.
 

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So your plan is to silence your voice entirely and just go suffer and die quietly while no one notices and the system still goes on without you? That is the entire GOP plan for you regardless. No one is tearing the system down and if they did, it would just end in a power struggle between the elites and their for profit paid for military/police they use against anyone who disagrees with them. The poor will only be crushed worse than they ever have under your plan here.

Reality is we can only change the system we are in by outvoting the other parties. There IS victory, but you have to start on the local, state and congressional level in order to control the electoral college instead of focusing on just the presidency. It can happen, but no one ever said it would be easy. In the meantime, we have to keep as many people alive to live to the next fight to do so, thus we have to choose the only path available to do that.

Not voting doesn't tear anything down. The GOP is thrilled that you are giving the what they want. They want to be able to ignore you entirely and go on about their business without you interrupting them at all. You are doing their voter suppression FOR THEM and they don't even have to try! You are like a freebie to them.

I, for one have benefitted tremendously from the democrats passing the ACA, my preexisting conditions are covered and my premiums are not as high as they would have been without it. My brother has been receiving his healthcare through the ACA even though he is unemployed and the subsidies have been covering his premiums entirely so he hasn't had to pay any monthly fees at all, or a deductible while still being able to have his insurance cover most of his medication costs, he would not have access to this at all without the ACA. Many of my patients, too would not have access to their medications and treatments without the ACA and it has proven invaluable for millions during the pandemic who would have difficulty being able to receive treatment without it.

Obama's housing programs too have been helpful to those struggling, thus why Homelessness was at it's lowest point in a decade when trump took office, of course he has been steadfastly working at reversing that since he took office since it has been rising every single year since 2016.

Before you go and claim" they are doing nothing for the poor, the sick , the minorities, the disabled" you may want to check with those who actually are relying on these very programs to stay alive right now because without them, they will die. Your claims of " they don't care and are not going to help" are pretty well empty when the very things they did do were the difference between life and death for so many already. Of course it wasn't " enough" but it sure beats the hell out of what people are being put through under Trumps intention of trying to destroy all of these things that people need to stay alive right now. One choice keeps more people alive right now, the other choice means their deaths, THAT is a pretty BIG difference to those who really want to stay alive through the next four years, including myself.

Trump's empty promise of " pre existing conditions will be covered" is just that, It is empty because he makes no promise of keeping them covered at the same rate as everyone else , as the subsidies he is trying to get rid of are what allow that to happen at all. There is no way to keep them covered at the current low rates under his " death pools for the sick" he and the GOP are pushing to cover preexisting conditions. People will then go back to the lottery system of who lives and who dies and lose access to regular care by our physicians and be forced back into charity services and free clinics. Most people just died because only a few were selected to receive help to live. It was horrible and inhumane and that is what faces us under Trump. That may not matter to you, but my life, my families lives, my friends lives, my patients lives all mean more to me than that.

You see they ALREADY HAVE DONE for us, and they will do more. You just have to stop letting the GOP come in and break everything every time they get a chance. We WERE actually improving in many areas before they let them make it worse again.
 

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Current policy is awful. The Democratic Party alternative requires an assessment of credibility and history.
They have one. My preexsting conditions are covered at a rate I would never be able to receive otherwise. Homelessness was at it's lowest point in a decade before trump took office due to Obama's housing programs. My brother is receiving free healthcare under the ACA in Texas even though they refused the Medicaid expansion. yes, that is right an adult male receiving free healthcare, actually being able to see a good doctor in their office and not have to go to the ER or free clinic only when that was unheard of in Texas prior to the ACA. More people were able to receive food stamps due to Obama's expansion of the program so less people went hungry. ALL of these things were better under democrats than they are under Trump. That actually makes a HUGE difference to those who are alive now because of it. The alternative is for all of us relying on these very things to stay alive right now is for us to just die. That may not be a big deal to you but considering I, along with millions of others cannot do without my medication or I will die with in days, not weeks, if not just hours. It could happen pretty quick now that I think about it. It is essentially saying it is okay with you if I, and others with my conditions just die because our access to the medications we need to stay alive just isn't important enough to you to matter in your mind.

That is credibility and history enough to matter to those of us who are alive due to their policies.
 

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That actually makes a HUGE difference to those who are alive now because of it. The alternative is for all of us relying on these very things to stay alive right now is for us to just die.
And the millions who won't have health insurance under either administration? The alternative for them is to just die.
 
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