Twitch has a new Hot Girls in Hot Tubs Meta now
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There is a remote possibility though that Twitch will have to keep her gone, or at least enforce her bullshit. She is the queen and she controls where the meta goes. Eventually she will cross a line that Twitch can no longer tolerate.
Let me help you out in understanding this.
This whole conversation has very little to do with women in bikinis. It's a debate about capitalism and who has the right to control women's sexuality.
Some people like to imagine that capitalism is a meritocracy, that the rewards of capitalism are just naturally distributed to the people who work hard and have the right ethos and produce the best product. They like to believe that the success or failure of an individual within capitalism is due to merit. Those are the people who get upset about stuff like this. If you look at the people arguing how bad this trend is, most of them have nothing to do with women being in bikinis. The arguments are about whether these women are "cheating", or whether the financial rewards they receive are earned.
An actual free market perspective would say yes. If men are willing to pay huge amounts of money just to interact online with a woman in a hot tub, or to listen to a woman lick a microphone, then that's what the experience is worth. The free market has spoken. But that creates a cognitive dissonance for people who think they like the free market, but who like it because they think it rewards the "right" people. It's the same people who tend to get incredibly, irrationally angry about modern and conceptual art, because again, conceptual art reveals the fallacy of meritocratic capitalism. If someone is willing to pay millions and millions of dollars for something a child could create, then the free market perspective would say that that is what it is worth. But again, if you believe that the free market is inherently meritocratic and that that worth of things is based on hard work and having the right ethos, then that's a problem.
Twitch is a format that gives streamers a great deal of control over their content and the money it earns. As a modelling platform, it has a huge number of advantages over the modelling industry (although this honestly says more about the shittiness of that industry than it does about the merits of twitch). It removes the need for promotion or sponsorship, it allows models to control their own content and to do things that they might find more interesting, like cosplay, rather than being beholden to whatever the company they're promoting demands, and it provides new models with built in opportunities for exposure. It's also preferred by a lot of consumers, who might just want to look at someone in a bikini without the increasingly ludicrous pretext of them being draped over a car (because it's really definitely about the car).
Noone actually had a problem with the women working as grid girls, or the dancers at corporate parties. The problem with those things is the weird, outdated and male-centric corporate and sporting culture they imply. Grid girls weren't removed from F1 because twitter feminists complained, they were removed because the sporting authorities decided that the message they wanted for their brand was an inclusive and family friendly one. They replaced grid girls with grid kids because it suited the image they wanted for their brand, and they did that because they calculated (probably correctly) that it was going to make more money.
It actually kind of sucks that women who were already being underpaid for intermittent work and were forced to be reliant on securing promotional deals to keep their careers going lost their jobs, but it also kind of sucks they were working under those conditions to begin with. It sucks that a sporting body was able to set itself up as a critical pipeline into the professional modelling industry and then leverage that position to exploit women who wanted to get into modelling.
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Yet it's men tipping on twitch to get women to do actions that is happening rather than a know set amount agreed upon and fairly consistent on a contract. Twitch streamers are basically 0 hour contract workers lol
So, that's a pretty insulting comparison.
The only way in which being a Twitch streamer resembles being on a zero hour contract is that the streamer doesn't have to work unless they want to. Essentially, they get the best part of a zero hour contract, but without the terrible downside, which is that on a zero hour contract your employer can deny you work for any reason. The problem with zero hour contracts, and the reason we think of them in negative terms, is because they are sometimes used deliberately by companies to facilitate punishment or exploitation or to strip workers of their rights. A company can use zero hour contracts to punish its employees for unionizing by denying them work, for example.
In the modelling industry, the dynamic is similar, but it gets even darker because the modelling industry is a fucking horrifying cesspit. You take these people, many of whom are literally children and all of whom are young, and you put them in highly sexualized situations in the presence of powerful adults who can control whether or not they get work and can, very easily, ruin their careers. The result is a shocking, shocking amount of sexual abuse, and a lot of people who are terrified to talk about it because of the belief (which turned out to be entirely justified during the #metoo movement) that doing so will harm their careers.
A Twitch streamer can stream as much or as little as they want. They have absolute control over what they do. Sure, men might say gross things to them or ask them to do things, but they won't be sent alone to the apartment of a photographer who will immediately threaten them and demand a blowjob. They won't be surrounded by a group of people watching them change. They won't be invited to what they think is an important shoot and then out of the blue asked to pose nude with no prior discussion or agreement and no guarantee that the resulting photographs aren't just going to be part of someone's personal spank bank. They won't be groped or touched without their permission. All of these are very real hazards for models who work in the industry, who also don't have a guaruntee of work and are probably earing far less because the money they make has to go on supporting a bunch of sexual predators.
Looks at the recent Twitch bans and the history of people banned on Twitch sometimes not even given actual reasons like Dr Disrespect and others
You sure that can't happen lol?
And Twitch can do the same and does somewhat lol. Hell there isn't even any certainty of pay for the work.
And yet Twitch staff have been accused and fired for similar in the past and faced accusations of such and it's now in the Twitch TOS that if you talk about that publicly or allegations about Twitch staff (even if you had it happen and have evidence) Twitch can and will ban you lol
No Twitch Streamers can't stream as much or as little as they like.
Affiliates have to maintain a certain level per month I think it is.
Partners have set contracts where they're obliged to stream a set amount per week with all but a few of them only getting more favourable monitisation split not actual contract pay for it.
Also twitch comes with the insane people trying to find out people's addresses and find out more about their lives. Models can at least show they have a boyfriend or husband most of the time while Twitch Meta streamers really can't or they lose a lot.
Yeah, and that's the problem with being reliant on a platform. I'm not pretending that's not real, but it's not the same thing as Amazon giving workers zero hour contracts so it can punish them by denying them work if they try to unionize.
Affiliation is a horrible idea. I think if you read my last post and got the impression that I thought affiliation was in any way good for people, you're reading it wrong. However, as awful and one sided and unfair as affiliation is, it still allows for more autonomy than being a salaried employee.
Twitch staff have been accused of perpetuating a culture of sexual harassment against other company employees. Essentially, the accusation is that there is a small clique of men either working with or connected to the upper management who are essentially unaccountable and untouchable, and who use their positions to abuse lower ranking staff beneath them in a whole range of ways. That's not like the modelling industry, that's just how most tech companies work. The modelling industry is far, far worse.
Under the terms of the TOS, streamers are absolutely allowed to accuse twitch staff of sexual harassment. What they are not allowed to do is to accuse other streamers of benefitting from sexual favours. This is because Twitch is full of extremely rational gamers who respond with extreme rationality to seeing women succeed on the platform by making completely unsubstantiated claims that their success is somehow due to sexual favours.
And how does this resemble a zero hour contract?
Again, what you've described is affiliation. Affiliation is not a thing that only happened on twitch, it was how those grid girls were supposed to earn enough to actually live on (only with far more demanding conditions and far less money going to them).
Contract pay is a double edged sword, you could argue that it's a more reliable source of income (although not necessarily) but it is also a fixed income, and inevitably it's the minimum amount of income someone thinks they can get away with paying you.
So, this point is weird, because what it actually shows is that models have so little control over their public persona or the work they do that the question of whether they have a partner never comes up (also why would you assume they were straight?) Models are interchangeable bodies, that's how the industry sees them and its often how they are taught to see themselves (which is why mental health issues like depression are the norm in the modelling industry). You could argue that they can have more of a private life, but noone cares about it, including abusers.
Trying to find out personal information about people is called stalking. Noone in the public eye is immune from stalking. In fact, noone is immune from stalking, especially not young women.
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Twitch has Affiliations and Partnerships.
Affiliations are less restrictive but worse revenue share.
Partnerships are more restrictive but better revenue share.
Oh it goes beyond harassment and special favours being requested from other staff and goes right down to streamers on Twitch's platform too. From special treatment to helping make violations go away. it's not merely regular employees.
Which they'd immediately claim was some-one talking about sexual favours and ban them lol.
Also woman succeeds by being entertaining is a bit different to woman succeeds by making sucking noises while wearing tight yoga pants and making eye contact with the camera and looking sexy.
yeh but again the extra pay and vast earnings really are only going to the top Percent in Twitch as it is lol.
No-one is immune to stalking but it seems the parasocial relationships related to Streamers seems to really accelerate the problems.
Also I said Husband as an example because that's one that's sort of cratered some Streamers rise on Twitch before.
I think the issue that people are missing (not just here but elsewhere) is that these girls cause issues for the wider Twitch streamers. These girls have done this before and they have been banned for this before.
How many streamers can you name that get banned for the same shit over and over with no consequences? What do you think happens when advertisers see this and no longer want ads on the platform.
Thats why other streamers get mad at that shit. It isnt that they care so much that some girl is shoving her twat into the camera, it is that the behavior will lead to an adpocalyse the same way it happened on youtube.
How anyone can argue that these girls can get banned over and over for the same shit but somehow think that Twitch isnt showing obvious preferential treatment is just stupid. It is obvious that is what is happening. And the only reason that they toss out these minor bans (3 days in this case) is to placate people who are upset about this.
Even now there are other girls doing the same shit on twitch. Because twitch doesnt actually care, and they wont care until their ad revenue starts getting pulled. Which will happen eventually if they continue to let shit like this happen.
How many streamers can you name that get banned for the same shit over and over with no consequences? What do you think happens when advertisers see this and no longer want ads on the platform.
Thats why other streamers get mad at that shit. It isnt that they care so much that some girl is shoving her twat into the camera, it is that the behavior will lead to an adpocalyse the same way it happened on youtube.
How anyone can argue that these girls can get banned over and over for the same shit but somehow think that Twitch isnt showing obvious preferential treatment is just stupid. It is obvious that is what is happening. And the only reason that they toss out these minor bans (3 days in this case) is to placate people who are upset about this.
Even now there are other girls doing the same shit on twitch. Because twitch doesnt actually care, and they wont care until their ad revenue starts getting pulled. Which will happen eventually if they continue to let shit like this happen.
People who rake in the cash for Twitch don't get permanently banned for breaking minor rules repeatedly. This is not limited to these gals, thus it's not preferential. Same as all the gamers who cop minor bans for being flagrantly racist or whatever.
In order for a big earner to get banned, they need to break an actual law, like in Dr Disrespect's case.
In order for a big earner to get banned, they need to break an actual law, like in Dr Disrespect's case.
Mate, this specific example isn't that, no matter how weird you think it is.
You call that a crime then Bayonetta gets chucked in the bin.
They are literally soliciting their nude Onlyfans to kids on Twitch. What the fuck do you call that?
Type "Indiefoxx eye contact" into Youtube search, the video is so sexual I'd get in fucking trouble if i linked it here.
This is not the same thing as Bayonetta, don't even pretend it is.
"Kids on Twitch". Yeah, I'm certain they're saying "hey children, grab your parent's credit cards and sub to my OnlyFans"
Meanwhile, BayoCrotchShotNetta is apparently fine?
C'mon man.