U.S. Government Proposes "Internet Kill Switch"

FinalHeart95

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Politicians clearly don't understand the internet. 4chan would purposely make a fake online terroist plot just to make the government shut down the entire internet. It would basically be the largest DDOS attack of all-time.
 

BrionJames

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I agree with Woodsey, the government can eat shit on this as far as I'm concerned. Those stupid dickhead Feds haven't supported any sort of internet awareness until now, the US is I think 15th in the world as far as internet speeds. If thats indicative of anything no wonder they're shitting they're pants regarding "cyber-warriors,cyber-criminals, and cyber-dildos". How many times can we use cyber in a single fucking post. GEEZ!!!
 

tsb247

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craddoke said:
tsb247 said:
craddoke said:
tsb247 said:
craddoke said:
Oh, Lieberman! What zany right-wing paranoid fear-mongering will you bring us next? And, more importantly, what civil liberties crushing solution will you propose?

Gut miranda rights? Check. Deny accused criminals other basic rights? Check. Pave the way for a government seizure of the internet? Check.
You may want to check that. Senator Liberman is in fact a Democrat.
100% factually wrong. See my longer response above for the real story.

Edit: Also, why couldn't a Democrat be conservative (although Lieberman is not a Democrat)? Or vice versa? Have we really become that small-minded?
His own website states that he is registered as an Independent Democrat. All this means is that he is no longer directly tied to the larger party as a whole. He still caucussed with the Democrats after 'leaving', and he probably will again. He is not a true independent in the full sense of the word.

He still associates with the Democrats. In fact he refers to himself as an, "Independent Democrat, capital, 'I,' capital, 'D.'"

EDIT: http://lieberman.senate.gov/index.cfm/about-joe/biography
Exactly - it makes a world of difference. If he were still a Democrat, he wouldn't be senator - Ned Lamont would be. He is a self-serving opportunist with a tendency towards reactionary conservative positions, especially in regards to national security and the censorship of media.
Well, at least we can agree on that point.

<---- is a conservative... Well... A moderate.
 

Funkysandwich

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It would be brilliant if it was just a red button or toggle switch somewhere on the President's desk. The potential for accidental use would be incredible.

"I thought that was the intercom?"

SirBryghtside said:
Second, I'd think that something as destructive as this would have to be only useable by the President, and if he was corrupt, there would be a lot more wrong with the country anyway.
Ever head of Watergate? If a US president could do that...
 

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well maybe its an incase of mass troll grouping?
Funkysandwich said:
It would be brilliant if it was just a red button or toggle switch somewhere on the President's desk. The potential for accidental use would be incredible.

"I thought that was the intercom?"

SirBryghtside said:
Second, I'd think that something as destructive as this would have to be only useable by the President, and if he was corrupt, there would be a lot more wrong with the country anyway.
Ever head of Watergate? If a US president could do that...
he did but he got caught and failed... I miss RRRRRRICHARD *giggles*
 

RatRace123

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Yeah, that seems wrong. Sacrificing the main outlet that most people express their freedom of speech (however stupid they may get with it) doesn't seem like a particularly good way of defending that freedom.

Interesting ethical quandry, but I don't agree with a government approved internet kill function. Seems a bit too Ayn Rand for my tastes.
 

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Is it just me who loves the sound of being a cyber-warrior?

Cyber-but cyber-seriously cyber-I cyber-felt cyber-that cyber-they cyber-used cyber-the cyber-word cyber-cyber cyber-was cyber-over cyber-used
 

Mr.Squishy

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"OMAIGAWD!!! ALL OF OUR CYBERWEBZ IS BEING HACKEDED!!"

"ZOMFG WHICH OF THEM?!"

"ALL OF THEM!"

"LAUNCH A COUNTER-VIRUS!"

"IT'S NO USE, THEY HAVE DEFENSIVE ALGORITHMS!"

"SHUT DOWN ALL TEH INTERWEBZ AND SAVE THE WORLD!"

...yeah
Not too big a fan of that idea
 

A123A123

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Sign the Petition against the Kill-Switch bill and keep the internet free from autocracy! - http://www.petitiononline.com/stopKS/petition.html
 

beddo

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Obama is moving Gitmo prisoners to Afghanistan to continue torturing them, still denying their right to challenge their detention. Something his campaigned against to get into power.

Obama is continuing with kidnap and torture (extraordinary rendition) which he campaigned against.

Obama has put out a kill order on a US citizen suspected terrorist no matter where he is found.

Obama's administration want to now steal the mineral wealth of Afghanistan.

These are all clear contraventions of international law.

Obama has extended secret government and wants to increase the size of the state. He's alienating the left while pandering to the right who hate him for who he is.

[link]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah[/link]

Is it really a surprise that they want control over your internet access?

Obama has turned to be as bad as I expected, at least Bush was honest about being an evil bastard.
 

beddo

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Sober Thal said:
I vote yes.

If you think this is something that will be abused, then I disagree with you.

If it is, people will make the law change.

If it can help the Gov. handle things better in the face of some crazy attack, then it is a good thing.

The internet isn't a god given gift that everyone should be able to use any time. I know younger people don't realize that, but that doesn't make it a mandatory essential thing that you can't live without.
To quote Yahtzee, "Why don't you roll over so they can stamp on the other side of your face".

The US Government has routinely shown its disregard for the rule of law, there a thousands of cases where the government have infringed on people's rights. Also, the law would not be changed if it was abused, again this has been shown throughout legal history.

There is not going to be a 'crazy attack'. The government should have sufficient safeguards in placed such as using closed systems.

Why shouldn't people be able to use the internet at any time!? That's the attitude that the founding fathers had, people should be free to pursue happiness, free from government oppression. The government don't own the internet, they didn't pay for the servers or all of the infrastructure, they don't run the ISPs. If I connect my computer to a friend's that's a basic network, what right does the government have to tell me to stop!?

As for your bizarre attitude towards 'young people', they realise that the internet is not essential for life, but neither is electricity, cars, smoking, alcohol, air conditioning and so on. However, people want to increase their standard of living and these have become the norm, just like the internet.
 

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Bajaraja said:
Sober Thal said:
I vote yes.

If you think this is something that will be abused, then I disagree with you.

If it is, people will make the law change.

If it can help the Gov. handle things better in the face of some crazy attack, then it is a good thing.

The internet isn't a god given gift that everyone should be able to use any time. I know younger people don't realize that, but that doesn't make it a mandatory essential thing that you can't live without.
Fail troll.
Also, anyone that supports this is the exact opposite of a freedom loving American. You are scum. It's not a generalization, but a cold hard fact.

Lieberman is just another one of those pansy ass bureaucrats that needs to be voted out of office, or drop dead. The sooner the better.
The attitude of that post is clearly anti-American, I think the author needs to ask why they live in the US.
 

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The dawn of a new age... where nuclear weapons are not the thing that governments want and use for political leverage but the ability to switch off a global communication's network that so intrinsically woven into our very way of life that its would cause extreme damage econimically.

Depsite the fact that doing something like this would be almost fucking impossible it does not surprise me that it was thought up. The next stage wil be that they suggest they have a button for each country/region of the world and can selectively turn them off, because why cause mass devastation when you can sell it to the public as something that won't affect you personally and then be hailed as a hero by the unwashed masses for causing said devastation.
 

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tsb247 said:
GrinningManiac said:
OT: Is this just for the US? Cus I'm questioning why they would have any right to turn off British internet, considering A) They HAVE no right and B) We technically invented it
Uhhh... Yes and no.

The British invented the first modern web server (Sir Tim Berners-Lee at CERN in 1989), but they did not develop all of technology that went into it. Research ARPANET, a DARPA funded network that went online in the US in 1969. However, I will concede that ARPANET used packet switching - a British invention.

If anything, the internet was a collaborative effort that took place over a 20-or-so year timeframe.
My argument, whilst the technicalities have altered, still stands

"America does not own the internet, and has no jurisdiction there"

Also, thanks for such a reasonable reply. Most of the responses that statement has garned have been "DARPA INVENTED TEH INTERNET" despite the fact that ARPNAET was simply the first ever concept of an 'interconnected network', and is completley different from the 'internet' of today, which is the subject matter at hand
 

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cainstwin said:
I would argue that the internet is an idea, and whoever thought of making a network accessible by anyone at all is the inventor of it. From what i know, and seeing as he was marked out from a team of people who would have been working on HTML it sounds like it would have been his idea to make a globaly accesible network, or world wide web.
HTML has nothing to do with networking. It has to do with making text data accessible by splitting data and formatting. The Internet and HTML are entirely separate ideas. Once you can finally understand that you can start to understand the power of the Internet.

The Internet is about creating a pathway for data to flow from one processing unit to another regardless of what the information is. The pathway is created from a network of networks sometimes referred to as "The Cloud", because the route is unknown at the time of transmission. Your data will find it's way by using road signs provided by routers as they proceed to their destination. The Internet is passive this way. It's just a set of routes to travel and isn't interested in what is traveling on it.

TLDR: The Internet is not HTML. HTML does not need the Internet to exist. It just so happens that HTML was one of a few platform independent standards for text formatting and became a defacto standard across a platformless Internet.
 

tsb247

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GrinningManiac said:
"America does not own the internet, and has no jurisdiction there"
You won't get any argument from me. I can't even imagine what an, "Internet killswitch," could do to businesses (foreign and domestic) as well as the banking industry and Wall Street.

"You were trading that stock? Sorry, you lost it because we turned off the internet."

"You were wiring money to your son on vacation in Amsterdam because he lost his traveller's checks, has no cash, and about $20 in the bank? Sorry, it never went through because we shut off the internet."

"Bill in Kentucky pays his electric bills online, but since the government shut off the internet, his payment was late, and he was hit with $40 in late fees."

There are just a few horrible situations I can think of, but I am sure there are infinitely more that could arise if such a thing were ever allowed.
 

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Politicians need to stop watching Live Free or Die Hard.

I can't stand when people think that what happens in the US has no consequence else where in the world.

Makes me ashamed to be American sometimes