U.S. soldiers killing Afghan civilians
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The bad shit?Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
You know, the stories of Soldiers abusing power? Murder? Rape? All of that "fun stuff"?
Propaganda, my ass, man. Jesus christ.
And yes, we do still see 8 year olds with AK's. You are aware that (I'm guessing it's fox you're getting this "Nothing bad happens, no siree" from) Fox tends to shiny over the bad stuff and focuses on "look what 'we' achieved here! While ignoring the death and all that.
That, my friend, is propaganda.
Give me a link then. A small portion of the troops abuse there position, then again that happens in every fucking job. People can be dicks, but compared to armies like China or North Korea the United States is Gandhi. The world without the United States values would be a terrible place. And before you mention Fox one more time I should let you know I live in Canada. I don't even get Fox.RobCoxxy said:
(The values I speak of are your Constitution though I probably know it better than you)
Well, the proof and link i am refering to is found in the OP, which you of course already read, because if you didnt you wouldnt have the position to join this discussion that revolves around a certain incident.Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
/sigh
Yes, there are people like those in the US Army. They do not, by any means, represent the majority of soldiers.
Well, perhaps with their intelligence level, but certainly not with their murderous habits. As usual, a small group is being used by many people to judge the large group they're affiliated with.
Most soldiers I served with were either lifers who preferred the garrison life to a civilian life they couldn't get by in, or people like me who joined up for steady employment in a time when there were no jobs to be had.
Yes, there are people like those in the US Army. They do not, by any means, represent the majority of soldiers.
Well, perhaps with their intelligence level, but certainly not with their murderous habits. As usual, a small group is being used by many people to judge the large group they're affiliated with.
Most soldiers I served with were either lifers who preferred the garrison life to a civilian life they couldn't get by in, or people like me who joined up for steady employment in a time when there were no jobs to be had.
do they even check the mental health of soldiers? I hope these soldier,s get the help they need, sometimes war can really mess somebody up.
I'm a Brit. I know the constitution, but not as well as the Yanks.Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
It'll take plenty of time to find the links because this war's been going on for fucking years. As for the abuse of power? Most people in those professions tend to do it in a less violent way. Just saying.
I'm not calling conspiracy at all, a Terrorist faction attacked the US. http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.htmlOscar90 said:
Decide for yourself. Personally, I know it was Alkaida. Alkaida admitted to it and is still proud of it.
Response to thread title before I clicked:
"In other news: water wet, desert dry, fire hot, tree pretty. Full story at eleven."
Otherwise you get some really bad things [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1211562,00.html] (warning: link may cause rage) happening when people trained to hate the population are left in charge of it, surrounded by a population that's quickly learning to hate them. Iraq 2003 onwards was a reenactment on a larger scale and with more initial hatred of South Lebanon 1982-2000 with echoes of Viet Nam 1955-1975.
With 'Nam, there was a draft because they couldn't get the people any other way, and so they got soldiers who didn't want to be there and still had a really big lack of suitable candidates for a lot of jobs. Some jobs require a volunteer as well as requiring certain skills. One of those, apparently, was officer. They were so short, they'd take just about anybody, including high school drop-outs with attitude problems. The result of a lot of things including allowing standards to slip in order to fill bunks was ...
... well, one hell of a lot, really, but it includes an event 43 years and 12.5 days ago, which ... let's see ... how to phrase it ... you DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT. Man, you can get such grief for mentioning it in some places, but that's kind of proof that it SHOULD be mentioned.
Feel free to google it (Warning: first image is NSFW, many images NSFW and reading [http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/Myl_intro.html] may cause rage) and take note:
"In other news: water wet, desert dry, fire hot, tree pretty. Full story at eleven."
There's slightly more to it than that. Every nation* fighting in any war uses psy ops in various ways, and one way is to get their fighting forces psyched up to massacre the enemy. See all the anti-Muslim and anti-Arab guff on Fox in 2002 for examples or take a look at authentic examples and modern spoofs [http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=propaganda] online. There's been a lot of work done on techniques for getting your 19-year-olds to willingly risk their lives to butcher their 19-year-olds. There is a side-effect to this, which is that if you want to win hearts and minds you'd better have some other soldiers who aren't as psyched-up and pumped full of hate standing by to take over the peacekeeping (aka peacemaking or peaceforcing) duties once your attack dogs have finished bleeding and screaming and blowing holes in people and houses.Jazoni89 said:
Otherwise you get some really bad things [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1211562,00.html] (warning: link may cause rage) happening when people trained to hate the population are left in charge of it, surrounded by a population that's quickly learning to hate them. Iraq 2003 onwards was a reenactment on a larger scale and with more initial hatred of South Lebanon 1982-2000 with echoes of Viet Nam 1955-1975.
With 'Nam, there was a draft because they couldn't get the people any other way, and so they got soldiers who didn't want to be there and still had a really big lack of suitable candidates for a lot of jobs. Some jobs require a volunteer as well as requiring certain skills. One of those, apparently, was officer. They were so short, they'd take just about anybody, including high school drop-outs with attitude problems. The result of a lot of things including allowing standards to slip in order to fill bunks was ...
... well, one hell of a lot, really, but it includes an event 43 years and 12.5 days ago, which ... let's see ... how to phrase it ... you DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT. Man, you can get such grief for mentioning it in some places, but that's kind of proof that it SHOULD be mentioned.
My Lai
Feel free to google it (Warning: first image is NSFW, many images NSFW and reading [http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/Myl_intro.html] may cause rage) and take note:
A weekend in the stockade and a few years' house arrest. Really. You get more for refusing to pay council tax.
I guess the worst part of this will be that the Taliban will use this as their own propaganda to gain more recruits, who will then carry out attrocities of their own to get revenge on the US troops, who will then go out and kill more afghans, who will then see more cruel acts by the west and look for recenge against them, who will then........
face it, it wont end.
face it, it wont end.
Are you serious? Not only did you manage to stereotype a whole nation's army, you managed to boist about your own, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I've never seen such hypocrisy.Jazoni89 said:
Al Quaeda is a terrorist organization, not a nation.Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
and being an organized crime group, referring to them as a 'conspiracy' is accurate both in legal and common terms.
I want proof to the cases you referring to. Murder and Rape and what not. I kind find proof of it, mind you every story I have found the people were charged and in jail. Personally I think hey should be hung, but your justice system is just a messed up as you media.Fetzenfisch said:
If you commit a war crime regardless of side you should hang. So the troops who did commit war crimes should have hung right next to Saddam. But assuming the whole military is some even power like Cobra or Nazis is just silly. I have seen Tyranny first hand, I have family in Cuba and I lived there for 3 months. Shooting people in the face for speaking out against there government and enforcing a curfew with tanks is true Tyranny. Your allowed to Demonize your great nation, hell burn flags if you wish, but know that most other countries you would be killed for doing so.
Can anyone say they are terribly surprised? Not being stuck in Afghanistan for several years, I can't say if I'd not end up like that. Atrocities against civilians happen when fighting guerilla warfare unless the troops are kept on a really tight leash.
On the other hand, female US soldiers in Iraq sre more likely to be raped by male US soldiers in Iraq than killed by the enemy, and there's no excuse you can give for that.
On the other hand, female US soldiers in Iraq sre more likely to be raped by male US soldiers in Iraq than killed by the enemy, and there's no excuse you can give for that.
What the fuck? The leader of Libya was killing his own people in slaughterfests, your telling me your alright with that? I know the US isn't suppose to be sticking our nose in anyone's business(Iraq) but your telling me we should be letting a tyrant slaughter tons of innocents?Snake Plissken said:
I never mentioned anything about rape. You seem to mistake me a) for someone who wrote something else b) an americanPatrick_and_the_ricks said: