Ubisoft Online DRM: It's Worse Than Expected

TheEggplant

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galaxygamer said:
I think this is more accurate:

Ubisoft announced in January that as part of its ongoing effort against piracy second-hand sales of games, all of its future PC releases would require gamers to connect to the internet and log in to Ubi.com in order to play.

That looks about right.

On a related note: Gamers think the future of this medium is a future that honors and respects the consumer to use media as it sees fit as long as it doesn't infringe on copyright. Yeah right. As long as the second-hand market for used games exists, DRM will exist. Ubisoft, and every other media company including TV-Movie studios and the music industry would love to force the consumer to pay an access fee every single time media is accessed. The video game medium was the first to implement this kind of payment feature in the form of "subscription fees" for MMOs. And we ate it up! Movies and TV shows will be next, followed last by the music industry.

The future of media is going to be really expensive, and annoying, with all the fees and multiple levels of DRM. Wait for it.
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I'm going to lay this out as cleanly as possible for everyone who is saying "glad I got this on a console." PC DRM is just a test run. The big publishers want this on all games. EA is already doing it with their required EA Accounts. They do not care about your convienence.
 

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I'd like to know if this whole "if you get disconnected you get booted IMMEDIATELY" stuff is actually true or just typical escapistmagazine.com news article hyperbole.
 

Sephiwind

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This is just the beginning. The next stage in DRM for the pc will be the UPWP system.

UPWP stands for You Pay, We Play. There are just 5 easy steps to follow with the UPWP DRM system.

Step 1: Go to your local store or internet site and pay $70. An E-mail will be sent to you with a 256 digit confirmation code.

Step 2: Go to our website and make an account

Step 3: Input the 256 digit confirmation code into our system.*

Step 4: After correctly inputting confirmation code you will be asked to agree to the Terms and Services agreement. **

Step 5: Log into game, sit back, and relax as one of our game operators plays the game for you while you watch, via web cam, from the comfort of your home. Because honestly we can't trust you to have a physical or digital version of our software.

* For legal protection the paste feature in the input line has been disabled
** By agreeing to the T&S the player also for-fits all rights and ownership to their soul under the Atkinson-Thompson Global Act of 2010.
 

Gildan Bladeborn

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Yet every time someone has downloaded a Pirated Version of the game to work around a scratched disc, a dodgy cd key, bad drm or poor tech support... is yet another number added into the big pile of "OMG peoples R stealing our game111111 Die PIRATE SCUM DIE!!!"

It doesnt matter what your individual intentions are, or if you have already paid for the game... publishers see every pirated copy as a 100% lost sale.

In the eyes of Ubisoft and other publishers there is no difference between:

1: Buying the game, and downloading the ISO if you damage the disk.
2: Downloading the game as a demo, seeing if it works, if you like it and then deciding to buy it.
3: Downloading an overpriced game on release and buying it once the game falls to a price point you feel is fair.
4: Downloading a version after purchasing a copy because the publishers tech support has failed you in some way, be that DRM error or other.
5: Downloading a game you would never buy yourself, but want to try because you can and its free to torrent.
6: Outright stealing the game.

It doesn't matter what the individuals intentions are, it all gets thrown into the same pile and has the exact same effect on how publishers see the numbers.
Oh, I don't recommend downloading full games via the interwebs (unless it's via a legitimate digital delivery service) in any case, I just think that one could realistically be perceived as something other than a jackass if engaging in said piracy for [insert actually sort of valid reason here].

If you're "pirating" a game to make the damn thing work after you bought it, that typically involves breaking the copy protection/DRM scheme and doesn't involve downloading a pirated copy at all, just a replacement EXE or what have you. The only reason you'd even need a full illegal copy of the game would be if your physical media was damaged, but if you just purchased it, the one thing you can definitely do with opened PC software is return it for a replacement, so that's not even a valid reason. Essentially, there's never any reason to download a pirate copy of a game if you've just bought that game.

And circumventing the locks they place on software that keep paying customers from using it does not add to corporations "total pirated games" figure, because you aren't downloading pirated copies of their games, just 3rd party modifications you run on top of their games (that those modifications violate the EULA is another issue entirely).

So yeah, if you're doing that, not only are you not a douchebag pirate, you aren't even being perceived as one by the suits using piracy statistics to falsely claim huge profit losses.

But my original caveat was that using the illegitimate copy merely to test whether or not it can run properly on your rig is a defensible enough reason to resort to software piracy: in this specific case, you shouldn't be doing that anyways - it's only morally justifiable if you would then go on and buy it if the pirate copy works, and the point is that you aren't going to buy anything from Ubisoft, period.

So definitely don't pirate stuff from them as that sort of defeats the purpose of ignoring them to their death/sudden reacquisition of functioning brains causing policy reversals.
 

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dududf said:
I had 65$ laid out for Assassins Creed 2.

Well, fuck that, off to the Torrents now.
I don't understand why you (or anyone for that matter) would do this. I suppose you could be making a point, but how is piracy the answer? Is the game THAT good that you MUST play it?

I read all these posts where people say they are now going to pirate XYZ game because of DRM. To me, that makes about as much sense as saying: "That hotdog tastes like shit! I'm not paying $2 for that! I'll just steal it, that will teach them!"

The end result is you still desire the product they produced thus giving it (and consequently the DRM) value. They are banking on "enough" people not being able to pirate the game successfully, and breaking down and buying it anyway because all of there friends are playing it. So the more people pirate a game, the harder they will try to put in DRM, especially batshit crazy paranoid schizophrenic game publishers like UBISOFT who think everyone is a pirate after their lucky charms when the reality is closer to being that their games are not as great as they envision them to be and they just need to lower their expectations a tad.
It's more of a point. I was going to buy the game, but if they bog it down in so much DRM why should I buy it?

It's the equivalent of Ubisoft giving me the middle finger, and me returning the favour.

Also, I only pirate things if I wasn't going to buy them any ways, for what ever reason. Or the game is unavailable some how, or is 8 years or older.

That DRM killed my purchase, as such they were not going to get any money from me anyways, but that doesn't change that the game is good. It justs means that I want to play the game, but they are doing their darnest to make me not want to buy it.
 

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Skratt said:
dududf said:
I had 65$ laid out for Assassins Creed 2.

Well, fuck that, off to the Torrents now.
I don't understand why you (or anyone for that matter) would do this. I suppose you could be making a point, but how is piracy the answer? Is the game THAT good that you MUST play it?

I read all these posts where people say they are now going to pirate XYZ game because of DRM. To me, that makes about as much sense as saying: "That hotdog tastes like shit! I'm not paying $2 for that! I'll just steal it, that will teach them!"
Marketing creates hype -> Hype creates demand -> Publisher denies fair sale of product to consumer -> Pirates fill the vacuum in demand.

Really not difficult to understand the psychology.

If you are hungry and I hold a hotdog in front of your face and say:

"This is the best hotdog you will ever eat, this hot dog is juicy and tasty and you fucking love our hotdogs, you know you love our hotdogs and this one is the best. By the way, if you eat this hotdog you must sign over your identity, your credit card information and we have the right to take the hotdog away from you while your eating it if we feel like it and there is nothing you can do about it because you really want this fucking hotdog."

Then the guy standing next to you offers you the exact same hotdog with no strings attached for free and says "Its on me, enjoy. Don't worry about it that other guy was being an asshole."

Then that I think, is a slightly better analogy.
 

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Void(null) said:
Skratt said:
dududf said:
I had 65$ laid out for Assassins Creed 2.

Well, fuck that, off to the Torrents now.
I don't understand why you (or anyone for that matter) would do this. I suppose you could be making a point, but how is piracy the answer? Is the game THAT good that you MUST play it?

I read all these posts where people say they are now going to pirate XYZ game because of DRM. To me, that makes about as much sense as saying: "That hotdog tastes like shit! I'm not paying $2 for that! I'll just steal it, that will teach them!"
Marketing creates hype -> Hype creates demand -> Publisher denies fair sale of product to consumer -> Pirates fill the vacuum in demand.

Really not difficult to understand the psychology.

If you are hungry and I hold a hotdog in front of your face and say:

"This is the best hotdog you will ever eat, this hot dog is juicy and tasty and you fucking love our hotdogs, you know you love our hotdogs and this one is the best. By the way, if you eat this hotdog you must sign over your identity, your credit card information and we have the right to take the hotdog away from you while your eating it if we feel like it and there is nothing you can do about it because you really want this fucking hotdog."

Then the guy standing next to you offers you the exact same hotdog with no strings attached for free and says "Its on me, enjoy. Don't worry about it that other guy was being an asshole."

Then that I think, is a slightly better analogy.
To edit that analogy, make the guy with all the strings attached a local guy, so you WANT to give him the money, and then make the other guy an outsider, so the money would not be in the city.

And that fits my situation.

*Tips hat*
Good job on that analogy good sir.
 

TheEggplant

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sidereal_day said:
I'd like to know if this whole "if you get disconnected you get booted IMMEDIATELY" stuff is actually true or just typical escapistmagazine.com news article hyperbole.
Read the linked PCGamer article.
 

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This is going to increase piracy a lot. Remember MW2? Most PC gamers didn't want to play MP without dedicated servers so they just pirated the game to experience Single Player and it was the most pirated game of 2009 on PC alone. Not to mention how many people pirated the game for Xbox 360. It actually leaked online before release date for Xbox 360. But no one wants to admit that console piracy exists, and no one does anything about it.

There is another analogy for hot-dogs. Lets say you want a hot-dog without mustard but the hot-dog dude doesn't want to sell you one with no mustard on it. You have to buy a hot-dog with mustard or don't buy it at all. So, instead of buying a hot-dog you don't want, just steal his hot-dog and eat it anyway you want :D

I HATE MUSTARD!
 

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Hey if this is what they want to do. I'll just pirate all their games now and play them the way they were suppose to be played. Thanks Ubisoft.
 

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It decisions like this that makes piracy so popular.
Let's not forget the whole "free material" thing.

I'm pretty sure that's a big part of it too, since games that have no DRM or anything get pirated to hell and back as well.
 

Void(null)

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Buy the box, pirate the game.
So you can support Ubisofts choice of DRM, approving its use in the future, and add to the Piracy Statistics further justifying more hurtful forms of DRM which target legitimate customers more than the Pirates?

That seems like the most damaging solution in the long term.
 

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Fuck you, Ubisoft! That's it, you really did it this time, no more Ubisoft games for me, ever. Hell, I won't even pirate them, I just won't play any of them ever again.

Jeezus, they really did think gamers would be just "fine with it"? Fine with renting a game for full price, that only works when Ubisoft so graciously allows it? Plus, contrary to what they believe, a continuous broadband internet connection is very far from being common around the planet. Maybe it's common in their town, and maybe all the countryside is blanketed with 0/24 broadband WiFi for free where they live, but what about us, the people who don't live in Ubisoftland? Playing during travel? NOT! Playing offline? BANNED! Playing with a narrow-band or unstable connection? NOT A CHANCE! As if stable, fix IP broadband internet is a given in every household around the globe. Ubisoft, you elitist fucks!

Of course when sales will plummet won't even take off, they will blame the whole thing on piracy again, when in reality they are the ones pissing paying customers off and leaving them virtually no choice but to pirate their shit or not play at all.

Nice work!
 

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Hmm...I guess I can just point to the previous ten pages (re: we are all extremely pissed off) to explain how I feel about this decision. But it's not the end of the world; I just see this as an extremely unstable beta version. I'll hold off getting any Ubisoft games until the lovely pirate community decides to "patch" them. :D
 

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Hmmm...

I stay away from EA Games, too much DRM
Activision, because they're nothing more than sequel makers who won't get out of their routine...

And now, even though I liked Prince of Persia, Ubisoft.

Thanks guys for making it so I have more reasons to stay with Steam.

*downloads Braid for $5 bucks on a DRM free Steam connection*
 

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Why would not I be fine with it?
I think this is just looking to the future when we are all connected.

I think it is kind of a bummer, but when most people I know steal all the games they play it leaves those who created it kind of screwed. I blame society, not Ubisoft.
 

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Playbahnosh said:
Hell, I won't even pirate them, I just won't play any of them ever again.
Sounds like the system works!
I am glad not to have to deal with the likes on you in a Splinter Cell multiplayer match.