UK Atheists Hope to Eliminate Jedi Population

[Conor147]

As I say I'd "rather". By that I mean, I can't fully believe nor disbelieve the whole life after death thing. I base it off the fact that experiencing nothing is a miserable way to look at life, yet as far as my beliefs go I can't fully believe nor disbelieve that possibility either.

I posted earlier a video from Moviebob's big picture, go check that out and mix it in with a bit of Russell Howard logic (don't know it, look it up) and you have something going down the right path of what I think in life.

Still sticking my feet in with the view "Let me believe what I want to believe. There is no right or wrong when it comes to belief, only the actions that impact on others are wrong."

Scrutinize as you will, I will be pulling up my Charmander pic...

"I base it off the fact that experiencing nothing is a miserable way to look at life"

surely you accept that youve already been dead for 14 billion years. were you at all miserable about those 14 billion years until now?

""Let me believe what I want to believe. There is no right or wrong when it comes to belief, only the actions that impact on others are wrong."

i completely agree with this 100%. unfortunately, our beliefs inform our actions, as can be seen with millenia of religiously induced suffering.

in all likelihood, were it not for the detrimental effects of religion, columbus would have been exploring the shores of the cosmic ocean and stepping onto other worlds, instead of other continents.

thats why im not depressed like that hakong guy would be if he was an atheist. i have a real understanding and appreciation of the cosmos. im similar to carl sagan with my perspective. but if you think carl sagan was hopelessly depressed due to logic, knowledge, truth, misery, atheism, reality etc. then i want to be hopelessly depressed too.

 

[Delritho]

Personally I don't think someones religion should be any ones business but their own.

Also if I was a UK citizen I would so put down Jedi. JUST for giggles.

 

[Mad1Cow]

TBH I always feel that I would rather be ignorant and believe there is life after death so I can die without thinking OH GOD WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. I mean, it's often said, those who know everything are often saddened by reality. Ignorance is sometimes a gift, it's only stupid and irrational when you start applying it to the lives of other people. I remember a phrase being said once...

Ignorance may be illogical and stupid, but hey at least I'd be enjoying life and all that it has to offer instead of being logical and dealing with the misery it brings with it. I tried looking at life logically and found I was a lot more sad, so I decided I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS, I'M JUST GONNA DO WHAT I WANT, MY WAY! It's part of the reason why I love The Escapist ^_^

"Rather be a happy pig than a doubting philosopher"

Couldnt agree more. Another nice qoute to this is

"Limitless knowledge is great, untill you get limitless understanding"

Im perfectly aware how shitty most of this world is. I have been there myself. And what did I do to fix it? Cheered up! Gonna die anyway, why not have some fun while Im at it. OH OH! Maybe ill leave my mark on the world, creating something glorius to help mankind! Hey! I like drawing! I wanna become good at that too! Oh, heres a study that looks fun! Ill try that!

Living a good life, making those around you happy and sharing joyfull moments is all what life is about for me. People like Connor147 doesnt share that, its sad, but I wont bother with pitty (something I guess he/she doesnt want from me either) and let him/her roll his wagon around. I might jump on the wagon for some fun, but the moment he/she brings a stick and chase me away, ive had my fun, and go to something else. Hopefully, hes/shes very satisfied he/she chased me off the wagon too, that way we both had a good time

EDIT: That religion qoute is awesome! Kudos

My point exactly. We're all screwed so why not go out with a bang? My ethic on life is to be as happy as I can be. If something makes me unhappy I ignore it or sort it out. I also try to make others happy around me and respect their views on life. You're gonna be sad if you only look for the bad things in life, look for the good and more good things will happen.

On a side note, anyone who's feeling down, laugh. Go ahead, laugh out loud now. No seriously even if nothing you've been reading is funny, force out a laugh. You feel that? That's endorphines and they do the body good. It's why it's better instead of panicking over something for a while and then face it, to instead but on a funny film, laugh a bit and then face it. You'll feel better inside, fact. So go ahead, just laugh right now. Don't worry if you feel silly, heck you may get people laughing at you and hence spreading the joy!

 

[Conor147]

humerous tone? Was I funny there? Damn, I might actually be funny after all!

I fail to see what you try to achieve here. If faith makes me a better person, would you rather have it (exaggerated) that Im a psochotic murderer without faith? Cause you try furiously with a few sentences to break down something that spent years to take place within me. Ofc, youre failing pretty badly, but it seems you really wish for me being some beast you can unleash

The whole thing just makes you seem like bitter, angry and humourless. This whole thread youve been raging, namecalling, hating and griefing at anyone looking at you the wrong way. Youve failed to take jokes, youve failed to show any side that can be considered likable and yet you persist. What do you try to achieve here? Enlightening us? Cause whatever is your "goal" is, if it involves making others agree with you or change their view, youre certainly aproaching this the wrong way. Also, youve replied instantly to everything here within 0-3 min. Dunno what to make of that, but it all adds up to paint a very sad picture.

"I fail to see what you try to achieve here."

im trying to trick people out of going to heaven.

Tempting with candy works better than hitting with a stick

i prefer to do both at once. pushing and pulling work better together than either alone. its an art religion has perfected.

 

[Conor147]

 

[Mad1Cow]

As I say I'd "rather". By that I mean, I can't fully believe nor disbelieve the whole life after death thing. I base it off the fact that experiencing nothing is a miserable way to look at life, yet as far as my beliefs go I can't fully believe nor disbelieve that possibility either.

I posted earlier a video from Moviebob's big picture, go check that out and mix it in with a bit of Russell Howard logic (don't know it, look it up) and you have something going down the right path of what I think in life.

Still sticking my feet in with the view "Let me believe what I want to believe. There is no right or wrong when it comes to belief, only the actions that impact on others are wrong."

Scrutinize as you will, I will be pulling up my Charmander pic...

"I base it off the fact that experiencing nothing is a miserable way to look at life"

surely you accept that youve already been dead for 14 billion years. were you at all miserable about those 14 billion years until now?

""Let me believe what I want to believe. There is no right or wrong when it comes to belief, only the actions that impact on others are wrong."

i completely agree with this 100%. unfortunately, our beliefs inform our actions, as can be seen with millenia of religiously induced suffering.

in all likelihood, were it not for the detrimental effects of religion, columbus would have been exploring the shores of the cosmic ocean and stepping onto other worlds, instead of other continents.

thats why im not depressed like that hakong guy would be if he was an atheist. i have a real understanding and appreciation of the cosmos. im similar to carl sagan with my perspective. but if you think carl sagan was hopelessly depressed due to logic, knowledge, truth, misery, atheism, reality etc. then i want to be hopelessly depressed too.

Firstly it depends. See after hours of thought in logic land (delve too deep you get too sad is my experience) I realised that the brain houses memories. The physical aspect of the body that is. I also came to the conclusion, that life pretty much runs in cycles and if you look at a lot of cycles in nature they always restart, one way or another. So my body was not created for 14 billion years. I could be a collection of undiscovered particles that makes up my conscious and when you die you could split off into other consciousness like a cell multiplies or heck, maybe we're connected to an alternate universe or I dunno. (Please note the above was just opinion, there is no evidence and I'm not forcing it upon anyone).

As I say the proof that there is or isn't an alternate universe or that what I just said happens doesn't exist but neither is there proof to disprove it. Hence why the 50:50 thing. Even that which I sat down and thought about I can't fully commit to, it's just what I think a logical answer would be...

SCRUTINY AWAY!!!

 

[Tomster595]

I kind of agree with them. I mean most of the people who will check Jedism will not actually believe that they are Jedis. Most of them will just be putting it down as a joke and therefore just messing up some statistics.

 

[Conor147]

Firstly it depends. See after hours of thought in logic land (delve too deep you get too sad is my experience) I realised that the brain houses memories. The physical aspect of the body that is. I also came to the conclusion, that life pretty much runs in cycles and if you look at a lot of cycles in nature they always restart, one way or another. So my body was not created for 14 billion years. I could be a collection of undiscovered particles that makes up my conscious and when you die you could split off into other consciousness like a cell multiplies or heck, maybe we're connected to an alternate universe or I dunno. (Please note the above was just opinion, there is no evidence and I'm not forcing it upon anyone).

As I say the proof that there is or isn't an alternate universe or that what I just said happens doesn't exist but neither is there proof to disprove it. Hence why the 50:50 thing. Even that which I sat down and thought about I can't fully commit to, it's just what I think a logical answer would be...

SCRUTINY AWAY!!!

well all that sounds awesome and quite cool.

a bit like the lord of the rings.

and just like the lord of the rings, im almost certain its bullshit that you made up. and therefore am more than 50% sure its not true, and therefore disbelieve it.

would make a good book though.

 

[Anchupom]

I'm putting religiously amoral.

Either that or rural buddah. They follow the teachings of the dali farmer.

 

[Conor147]

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[Alpha Maeko]

Faith makes me a better person

yes. i responded to this. then you ignored my response. no need to repeat ad nauseum to provoke a response when ive already responded.

unless of course you dont want a response, and are just a troll. which ironically was part of the reason for my probation.

See this is how you should have responded...

HAHAHA

Btw, its not up for discussion, its a fact. Proof is too personal to share. Faith makes me a better person, and everyone I know agrees with that

there you go again. masking a weak riposte with a humerous tone so you can capitulate and say "was only joking"

ill treat it as if you are serious, anyway.

"Btw, its not up for discussion, its a fact."

what a compelling, lucid, convincing argument.

"Proof is too personal to share."

because ghosts are scared of cameras and are only ever seen by one person at a time? right?

"Faith makes me a better person, and everyone I know agrees with that "

because your faithless doppleganger is just a terror to be around compared to you.

humerous tone? Was I funny there? Damn, I might actually be funny after all!

I fail to see what you try to achieve here. If faith makes me a better person, would you rather have it (exaggerated) that Im a psochotic murderer without faith? Cause you try furiously with a few sentences to break down something that spent years to take place within me. Ofc, youre failing pretty badly, but it seems you really wish for me being some beast you can unleash

The whole thing just makes you seem like bitter, angry and humourless. This whole thread youve been raging, namecalling, hating and griefing at anyone looking at you the wrong way. Youve failed to take jokes, youve failed to show any side that can be considered likable and yet you persist. What do you try to achieve here? Enlightening us? Cause whatever is your "goal" is, if it involves making others agree with you or change their view, youre certainly aproaching this the wrong way. Also, youve replied instantly to everything here within 0-3 min. Dunno what to make of that, but it all adds up to paint a very sad picture.

He said "faithless doppleganger", theorizing that a carbon copy of you could possibly be just as "good" a fellow without the influence of a supernatural being. May I be so bold as to argue that neither religion nor faith is a prerequisite to morality or upstanding virtue?

Facts, as far as I know, are not written in your "heart". They either are or aren't, therein more appropriate to something palpable and scientifically provable to exist.

As for whether your faith has made you a better person, I can't deny that it might be true. But that's a matter of opinion and requires one to assume specific things about what morale purity really is and it's relevance in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Conor147]

humerous tone? Was I funny there? Damn, I might actually be funny after all!

I fail to see what you try to achieve here. If faith makes me a better person, would you rather have it (exaggerated) that Im a psochotic murderer without faith? Cause you try furiously with a few sentences to break down something that spent years to take place within me. Ofc, youre failing pretty badly, but it seems you really wish for me being some beast you can unleash

The whole thing just makes you seem like bitter, angry and humourless. This whole thread youve been raging, namecalling, hating and griefing at anyone looking at you the wrong way. Youve failed to take jokes, youve failed to show any side that can be considered likable and yet you persist. What do you try to achieve here? Enlightening us? Cause whatever is your "goal" is, if it involves making others agree with you or change their view, youre certainly aproaching this the wrong way. Also, youve replied instantly to everything here within 0-3 min. Dunno what to make of that, but it all adds up to paint a very sad picture.

"I fail to see what you try to achieve here."

im trying to trick people out of going to heaven.

Tempting with candy works better than hitting with a stick

i prefer to do both at once. pushing and pulling work better together than either alone. its an art religion has perfected.

Youve only achieved making me even more sure that Ive chosen the right path. If I had stayed an atheist, I might have ended up like you. Since I became religious (wont say christian, since most atheists got such a screwed vision of what christianity is) I went from being a mocked loner to getting true friends for life, a gf, better relationship with my family and got into the university I wanted. And the kicker is, all close to me are atheists. Ofc, theyre much nicer people than you, respecting others for their view and generally being awesome people.

Did this happen because "God aproves me"? Nope, but I believe the fact I changed from an annoying knowitall to a joyspreading, quirky and random guy, affected those around me and made em more likely to aproach me. Thats God to me: A force rewarding good intentions with good emotions. Not any spoils in the physical world, but a good life.

God had no power to stop a relative from getting ill, but im damn sure God was behind making that person living the rest of his/her life happy, even though the unfortunate events. God doesnt care about what you say you are, as long as youre a nice person, you could be a satanist for all God cares.

All this is the proof I need. You will surely dissagree with me, but as stated before:

Although Im a bit sad youre still so bitter... Cant help em all!

not bitter at all. i barely know anything about you. youre just another deluded religious guy on the internet that has been brainwashed/convinced himself that faith isnt an abomination. the only person who is bitter here is you. you type all these 3 paragraph responses that are just utter drivel and tripe, and then you refuse to justify your beliefs when asked. you even admit that you dont care whether or not your beliefs are true (which is intellectual suicide as far as im concerned). then you try to rationalize not caring by saying you would become an atheist and then an axe-murderer if you were to start to care. that just seems ridiculously fatuously pathetic to me.

and then you pretend you know more about me than what ive revealed. which is next to nothing. its very telling.

im happy with who i am and with reality as i perceive it. i dont use faith as an anti-depressant. and maybe if you were to be honest with yourself you would realise that you dont either.

 

[XP105]

Honestly, shut the fuck up people (the guys in that "movement", not Tom, obviously).

It's all the same nonsense. It should never matter for any government functions whether people have any religion at all, so the fact that it's included in a census is rubbish anyways.

Personally I say go for the high score guys. 50% Jedi or bust.

Pastafarians or Adeptus Astartes also acceptable.

But it does.

It's stuff like this that gives the government an idea of what to do in the local area. This is also the kind of stuff used to justify more religious faith schools.

Does that mean that if enough people say they are Jedi, we'll get...
*puts on sunglasses*
Jedi academies?
YEAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Conor147]

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[Mad1Cow]

Firstly it depends. See after hours of thought in logic land (delve too deep you get too sad is my experience) I realised that the brain houses memories. The physical aspect of the body that is. I also came to the conclusion, that life pretty much runs in cycles and if you look at a lot of cycles in nature they always restart, one way or another. So my body was not created for 14 billion years. I could be a collection of undiscovered particles that makes up my conscious and when you die you could split off into other consciousness like a cell multiplies or heck, maybe we're connected to an alternate universe or I dunno. (Please note the above was just opinion, there is no evidence and I'm not forcing it upon anyone).

As I say the proof that there is or isn't an alternate universe or that what I just said happens doesn't exist but neither is there proof to disprove it. Hence why the 50:50 thing. Even that which I sat down and thought about I can't fully commit to, it's just what I think a logical answer would be...

SCRUTINY AWAY!!!

well all that sounds awesome and quite cool.

a bit like the lord of the rings.

and just like the lord of the rings, im almost certain its bullshit that you made up. and therefore am more than 50% sure its not true, and therefore disbelieve it.

would make a good book though.

I sort of did make it up but it was on grounds of logic. "Believable BS" so to speak. But at the end of the day, isn't that what a lot of religions are formed on? Either that or the speakings of one self-appointed man. I'm quite happy with people making up something to believe in and heck even if it isn't true it's still nice to be able to believe in something and have that in your mind then, "ahh well, looks like 300 billion years of voidness, nothing for me now".

As I say deconstructing it logically is just mind-breaking when you REALLY get down to it. At the end of the day the only thing I'd care about in religion is what happens after death primarily because that will affect me. I'm much happier in the aspect of, "We all have to face it, we all have the same fate. Let's treat everyone how we'd want to be treated, have a laugh and respect each other. Because at the end of the day we have no idea where we came from and we have no idea where we'll end up. It happens to us all though, and there is no avoiding it, so it's better to just grin and bear it then spend how ever many years dredding it."

 

[cookieXkiller]

I wonder what they'd think about the metal for the 2011 census [http://www.facebook.com/heavymetal2011census] campaign.

i would give that the horns \m/
OT:
i love how the english can never take joke ... (thats not true they have some amazing comedians.)

 

[Conor147]

Firstly it depends. See after hours of thought in logic land (delve too deep you get too sad is my experience) I realised that the brain houses memories. The physical aspect of the body that is. I also came to the conclusion, that life pretty much runs in cycles and if you look at a lot of cycles in nature they always restart, one way or another. So my body was not created for 14 billion years. I could be a collection of undiscovered particles that makes up my conscious and when you die you could split off into other consciousness like a cell multiplies or heck, maybe we're connected to an alternate universe or I dunno. (Please note the above was just opinion, there is no evidence and I'm not forcing it upon anyone).

As I say the proof that there is or isn't an alternate universe or that what I just said happens doesn't exist but neither is there proof to disprove it. Hence why the 50:50 thing. Even that which I sat down and thought about I can't fully commit to, it's just what I think a logical answer would be...

SCRUTINY AWAY!!!

well all that sounds awesome and quite cool.

a bit like the lord of the rings.

and just like the lord of the rings, im almost certain its bullshit that you made up. and therefore am more than 50% sure its not true, and therefore disbelieve it.

would make a good book though.

I sort of did make it up but it was on grounds of logic. "Believable BS" so to speak. But at the end of the day, isn't that what a lot of religions are formed on? Either that or the speakings of one self-appointed man. I'm quite happy with people making up something to believe in and heck even if it isn't true it's still nice to be able to believe in something and have that in your mind then, "ahh well, looks like 300 billion years of voidness, nothing for me now".

As I say deconstructing it logically is just mind-breaking when you REALLY get down to it. At the end of the day the only thing I'd care about in religion is what happens after death primarily because that will affect me. I'm much happier in the aspect of, "We all have to face it, we all have the same fate. Let's treat everyone how we'd want to be treated, have a laugh and respect each other. Because at the end of the day we have no idea where we came from and we have no idea where we'll end up. It happens to us all though, and there is no avoiding it, so it's better to just grin and bear it then spend how ever many years dredding it."

i think i managed to agree with everything you said there. would like to add that atheists dont dread it because they dont believe heaven or hell exists, and have nothing to fear or look foward to.

where christians spend this life scoring god-points for the next one (and ultimately wasting it), atheists make the most of the only life they know they are going to have.

who knows, maybe soon science will progress so far as to ensure unlimited life, assuming of course the catholic fundie fucktards stop interfering with stem cell research etc.