UK Atheists Hope to Eliminate Jedi Population

[Atmos Duality]

im happy with who i am and with reality as i perceive it. i dont use faith as an anti-depressant. and maybe if you were to be honest with yourself you would realise that you dont either.

Heh...
Criticizing (through actions or words) what makes another happy to make yourself feel better.

That's human behavior in a nutshell.

Small wonder I find our species to be so fucking worthless.

 

[Conor147]

Dude, lets just stop. This wont lead anywhere. He will continue to ridicule us to trigger some sort of reaction (God knows what), and we will just keep trying in making him see how much better it is to just go with it and have a nice life. Lets just end it, at least I am. Im almost getting depressed from his replies, seeing so much hate towards something he doesnt understand. Nice getting to know ya though! Laters

the irony here is that whenever i ask you to explain it to me you completely button it. its as if youre scared of talking about it.

 

[Conor147]

Dude, dont start with this guy

Its like convincing a fullblood racist that black people can be nice and awesome

unlike you, who admits believes things without evidence and doesnt care about whether or not his beliefs are true (ironically, by the way, like the racist you compared me to), im willing to change my mind. if you can convince me that religion isnt cancer by.... hmm... proving that it spares people from eternal suffering (because it certainly condemns them to unimagineably horrific suffering in this world), then im willing to change my mind.

 

[Conor147]

explain what? Ive told you my faith, explained how I think it works, Ive elaborated my way of life. I had a slight hope you would understand it, but instead you attack it like a pest. That leaves little room for me to bother helping you understand me, when you clearly wont take in anything I say. Theres not much more to say to it. If I say I like apples, and you say "apple eaters are morons and deluded!" theres not much room for more explainations. Either you understand that my tastes are different, you ask why its tasty to me or you completely block out the fact that people can enjoy something different than you and ridicule me for liking it. You choose the latter.

do me a massive favour and link your explanation of faith and how it works. if you really did explain it, i completely overlooked it.

 

[ckam]

Go Jedi, go fight for your religious rights.

 

[Mad1Cow]

Firstly it depends. See after hours of thought in logic land (delve too deep you get too sad is my experience) I realised that the brain houses memories. The physical aspect of the body that is. I also came to the conclusion, that life pretty much runs in cycles and if you look at a lot of cycles in nature they always restart, one way or another. So my body was not created for 14 billion years. I could be a collection of undiscovered particles that makes up my conscious and when you die you could split off into other consciousness like a cell multiplies or heck, maybe we're connected to an alternate universe or I dunno. (Please note the above was just opinion, there is no evidence and I'm not forcing it upon anyone).

As I say the proof that there is or isn't an alternate universe or that what I just said happens doesn't exist but neither is there proof to disprove it. Hence why the 50:50 thing. Even that which I sat down and thought about I can't fully commit to, it's just what I think a logical answer would be...

SCRUTINY AWAY!!!

well all that sounds awesome and quite cool.

a bit like the lord of the rings.

and just like the lord of the rings, im almost certain its bullshit that you made up. and therefore am more than 50% sure its not true, and therefore disbelieve it.

would make a good book though.

I sort of did make it up but it was on grounds of logic. "Believable BS" so to speak. But at the end of the day, isn't that what a lot of religions are formed on? Either that or the speakings of one self-appointed man. I'm quite happy with people making up something to believe in and heck even if it isn't true it's still nice to be able to believe in something and have that in your mind then, "ahh well, looks like 300 billion years of voidness, nothing for me now".

As I say deconstructing it logically is just mind-breaking when you REALLY get down to it. At the end of the day the only thing I'd care about in religion is what happens after death primarily because that will affect me. I'm much happier in the aspect of, "We all have to face it, we all have the same fate. Let's treat everyone how we'd want to be treated, have a laugh and respect each other. Because at the end of the day we have no idea where we came from and we have no idea where we'll end up. It happens to us all though, and there is no avoiding it, so it's better to just grin and bear it then spend how ever many years dredding it."

i think i managed to agree with everything you said there. would like to add that atheists dont dread it because they dont believe heaven or hell exists, and have nothing to fear or look foward to.

where christians spend this life scoring god-points for the next one (and ultimately wasting it), atheists make the most of the only life they know they are going to have.

who knows, maybe soon science will progress so far as to ensure unlimited life, assuming of course the catholic fundie fucktards stop interfering with stem cell research etc.

Meh, as I say I tried atheism and when it comes to "there is no life after death" I ask what does that mean and they reply "well nothing happens, you just die". Now hang on a second. You mean you experience, nothing? I'd like you to try imagining that now. No smell, no touch, no taste, no sound, no sight...just nothing...a black void for eternity...that is scary to me then any hell that can be brought up in a catholics imagining. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, I dunno, hence why I think our conscious is seperate from our bodies.

Thing is I'm a registered catholic but I hate there YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S WEIRD thing (ie homosexuality). I tried atheism but the prospects of that were far more daunting then any other prospect (imho). So now I just try to enjoy what I can. Whatever fate has in store for me I'll face it the same way anyone does, clueless with only their memories to suck on before they leave...better make em good memories then ey?

 

[Mad1Cow]

Dude, lets just stop. This wont lead anywhere. He will continue to ridicule us to trigger some sort of reaction (God knows what), and we will just keep trying in making him see how much better it is to just go with it and have a nice life. Lets just end it, at least I am. Im almost getting depressed from his replies, seeing so much hate towards something he doesnt understand. Nice getting to know ya though! Laters

EDIT: Also, if we leave, we give him the assumption "he won". That way, all 3 of us will be happy. What more can we wish for?

Meh, I'll say my peace until people understand. I don't care if he doesn't share my views, I would only care if he started impacting on others views (which for a moment in this thread it seemed to be going down).

 

[Luke Cartner]

Personally I prefer putting Jedi, as I feel it reflects just how ridiculous all religions are.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Dude, dont start with this guy

Its like convincing a fullblood racist that black people can be nice and awesome

Oh, I've dug into atheist rhetoric and tried their logic.
Ultimately, it leads to a route of meaninglessness. It made me feel horribly depressed, not liberated (and this is coming from someone who takes a very pragmatic outlook on life).

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

.......your joking right?? This has to be a troll it just has to be I mean come on.

 

[Conor147]

Meh, as I say I tried atheism and when it comes to "there is no life after death" I ask what does that mean and they reply "well nothing happens, you just die". Now hang on a second. You mean you experience, nothing? I'd like you to try imagining that now. No smell, no touch, no taste, no sound, no sight...just nothing...a black void for eternity...that is scary to me then any hell that can be brought up in a catholics imagining. Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, I dunno, hence why I think our conscious is seperate from our bodies.

Thing is I'm a registered catholic but I hate there YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S WEIRD thing (ie homosexuality). I tried atheism but the prospects of that were far more daunting then any other prospect (imho). So now I just try to enjoy what I can. Whatever fate has in store for me I'll face it the same way anyone does, clueless with only their memories to suck on before they leave...better make em good memories then ey?

atheism is just a disbelief in god. you can be an atheist and believe theres an afterlife, just not that god is the warden. "trying" atheism just seems ridiculous. it sounds as if you are trying on shoes. whether or not its comfortable or fits has no bearing on whether or not its true.

and nothing happens after you die regardless of what you believe. what happens when people who are braindead die? all the neurons and synapses are rotted. their personality, memories etc are completely gone. do they regain that when they are biologically dead? what about clones, or split-brain patients?

when you take this whole afterlife to logical extremes, it doesnt hold water.

"No smell, no touch, no taste, no sound, no sight...just nothing...a black void for eternity...that is scary to me then any hell that can be brought up in a catholics imagining."

how do you sleep at night? (no pun intended). and like i said earlier, the 14 billion years youve already been dead dont seem to bother you.

 

[Conor147]

explain what? Ive told you my faith, explained how I think it works, Ive elaborated my way of life. I had a slight hope you would understand it, but instead you attack it like a pest. That leaves little room for me to bother helping you understand me, when you clearly wont take in anything I say. Theres not much more to say to it. If I say I like apples, and you say "apple eaters are morons and deluded!" theres not much room for more explainations. Either you understand that my tastes are different, you ask why its tasty to me or you completely block out the fact that people can enjoy something different than you and ridicule me for liking it. You choose the latter.

do me a massive favour and link your explanation of faith and how it works. if you really did explain it, i completely overlooked it.

Spoiler

Youve only achieved making me even more sure that Ive chosen the right path. If I had stayed an atheist, I might have ended up like you. Since I became religious (wont say christian, since most atheists got such a screwed vision of what christianity is) I went from being a mocked loner to getting true friends for life, a gf, better relationship with my family and got into the university I wanted. And the kicker is, all close to me are atheists. Ofc, theyre much nicer people than you, respecting others for their view and generally being awesome people.

Did this happen because "God aproves me"? Nope, but I believe the fact I changed from an annoying knowitall to a joyspreading, quirky and random guy, affected those around me and made em more likely to aproach me. Thats God to me: A force rewarding good intentions with good emotions. Not any spoils in the physical world, but a good life.

God had no power to stop a relative from getting ill, but im damn sure God was behind making that person living the rest of his/her life happy, even though the unfortunate events. God doesnt care about what you say you are, as long as youre a nice person, you could be a satanist for all God cares.

Its a TLDR version. Your reply was

Spoiler

you type all these 3 paragraph responses that are just utter drivel and tripe, and then you refuse to justify your beliefs when asked.

That doesnt leave me much to work with. I justified my belief with examples that it fits how my life has turned out. You claim its drivel and tripe. What more do you want? Im not gonna bother writing a wall of text with all the details in how it intertwines with the physical world and how God sways people to do good. Its my belief. And you dislike me for it. If you were geniunely interested in it, you wouldve aproached it differently. It all just feels like youre looking for new ways to ridicule, and I got better things to do than provide that.

how on earth is this an explanation of what faith is and how it works?