Ukraine
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No but you are an American. And that's enough for him to assume you don't support a country's rights to be sovereign. Or maybe it's him projecting himself onto you, after all he only cares about a country's sovereignty when it's to criticize America or one of its allies.
He probably has more principles than your one and only "Be anti american" principle. You have thrown every single other one out of the window the day you decided to be a spokesperson of human rights abusing dictatorships like Russia and China.
Russian-armed insurgents have been shelling Luhansk (again), this time hitting a kindergarten.
en.interfax.com.ua
This isn't unprecedented; they've been shelling Luhansk and surrounding areas on-and-off for 4 years (destroying another Kindergarten in 2014). But the timing couldn't be worse.
Shell hit kindergarten in Stanytsia Luhanska, two people injured - JFO HQ
During shelling from the temporarily occupied territories of ORDLO, one of the shells hit a kindergarten in Stanytsia Luhanska (Luhansk region), eyewitnesses report on social networks.
en.interfax.com.ua
This isn't unprecedented; they've been shelling Luhansk and surrounding areas on-and-off for 4 years (destroying another Kindergarten in 2014). But the timing couldn't be worse.
Biden makes a big speech about Ukraine. I can only shake my head. How can anyone take that seriously when you clearly don't yourself believe what you preach:
"We will not sacrifice basic principles, though. Nations have a right to sovereignty and territorial integrity. They have the freedom to set their own course and to choose with whom they will associate."
Umm.. mr Biden. What about Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Chile and countless other countries in history where American troops and intelligence agencies have overthrown or tried to overthrow democratically elected governments? In fact I'd argue that the USA has been in history worse offender of this than Russia.
In short, it's all normal and routine, and any perceived proximity with Ukraine is coincidental.
Out of interest, do you believe Petrov and Boshirov were in Salisbury to see the cathedral?
Funnily enough, if the same context applied-- if these were primarily new placements, and the US had invaded and occupied Mexico already in very recent memory, and US-armed insurgents were actively shelling Mexico... and the US was issuing ultimatums to Mexico as it did so... then yes, that would be very very very concerning.
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Heh, while I agree the US isn't the nation best suited to make speeches about other countries' right to sovereignty it is still better for them to support a country's right to sovereignty rather than letting Ukraine fend for itself against Russia without any support.
I think the Ukraine situation is another historical situation that proves one important fact.
Never
Never
NEVER GIVE UP YOUR NUKES!
This has bitten every single country that has done this in the ass except Cuba and South Africa and history is still being written for those two.
Never
Never
NEVER GIVE UP YOUR NUKES!
This has bitten every single country that has done this in the ass except Cuba and South Africa and history is still being written for those two.
Well, at least don't tell anyone that you did it
The more I looked into it, the more that seemed to be the case. And that's just from analysis of what is supposed to be the case against that idea. *shrug*
There is no good reason whatsoever for people in the West to treat claims made by Western media that Russia is doing something threatening with anything but the most demanding skepticism.
That's a story I have not paid the slightest attention to at all, and I have no current plans to start.
So what you're saying is that the placement of the troops themselves is mostly irrelevant to your analysis; it's not about whether it's reasonable for Russia in a defensive posture to have ~3% of its active duty personnel doing exercises in Belarus and another ~12% spread between Smolensk, Kursk, Voronezh, Crimea, and the border near Donbas.
Yeah, having nukes is really the only way to be taken seriously. Best you can get otherwise is to be ignored and/or exploited by corporate interests.
And don't trust Russia, the UK and US when they promise to defend your territorial integrity in return.
Cool, let's listen to people in the direct firing line, then.
...oh, not them either, ok. Hmm.
That's unsurprising to me.
Here's a primer: Russian assassins used a virulent nerve agent in an attempt to murder two former agents in Britain. In doing so they also poisoned 2 civilians, killing one. They then claimed they were just in the city to see the Cathedral.
The point being, the Russian state and its various payroll murderers and bagmen are happy to commit the most heinous shit and then throw out completely inane excuses. They have a long, long, long record of it.
The placement in complete isolation would not necessarily be that worrying.
The placement in context is obviously worrying. The context of it being that it follows a very recent invasion and occupation they carried out against that neighbour; ongoing Russian-backed attacks on that neighbour; and coinciding with an ultimatum to that neighbour.
Donetsk is being evacuated.
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Also, a car goes boom in Donetsk.
www.reuters.com
edit: To make this clear, seeing as how only 1 car was blown up many people assume that this bomb with a false flag attack.
Putin to oversee nuclear drills as Ukraine crisis mounts
Russia's President Vladimir Putin was set to oversee exercises by strategic nuclear missile forces as Western leaders gathered in Munich, fearful that he could order troops massed on Ukraine's border to invade at any time.
www.reuters.com
Also, a car goes boom in Donetsk.
Separatists in eastern Ukraine say vehicle blown up near their HQ
Russian-backed separatist authorities in eastern Ukraine said on Friday that a parked jeep with nobody inside had been blown up near a government building in the centre of the city of Donetsk.
www.reuters.com
edit: To make this clear, seeing as how only 1 car was blown up many people assume that this bomb with a false flag attack.
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Such as?
It's being highlighted in order to justify increased tensions, arms sales, higher military budgets, and probably attacks against the Donbas separatists given how that situation just started to heat up. The story is: stuff moves around in Russia. And (again) they count stuff moving further away from the border with Ukraine as "new deployment" toward the border. Several times now the predicted invasion hasn't materialized. Shocking.
A fair few reporters on the ground, notably from the Kyiv Independent.
And once, in 2014, it did materialise, followed by 8 years of military occupation.
Yes, those 200,000 Russian troops that have been around the Ukrainian border over the last few weeks are a totally innocent exercise in moving stuff around. Putin wanted to give his army a Winter holiday camp, that's all. Only the warmongering West could think Putin would ever send his troops into a neighbouring state, something he has no record of whatsoever.
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It's not mortar fire, so everything's fine I guess.
Explosion reported in Ukraine's separatist-held Donetsk
A large explosion hit the center of the separatist-held city of Donetsk in East Ukraine, Reuters reported late Friday, citing Ria News Agency. A car was...
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