Ukraine

[hanselthecaretaker]

Russia faces IT crisis with just two months of data storage left

Russia faces a critical IT storage crisis after Western cloud providers pulled out of the country, leaving Russia with only two more months before they run out of data storage.

www.bleepingcomputer.com

Wonder who they’ll shut down first. Probably not the Russian porn sites.

 

[Trunkage]

Well, Russia has turned the doctrine of this war to scorched earth and is now just killing everyone

Yay. Everyone win

 

[Kwak]

Well, Russia has turned the doctrine of this war to scorched earth and is now just killing everyone

Yay. Everyone win

Ukrainians and Russians have a common enemy - Putin and the Kremlin.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Ukrainians and Russians have a common enemy - Putin and the Kremlin.

Here's what the communist party opposition to Putin has to say about Ukraine:

What is happening in and around Ukraine – Communist Party of the Russian Federation

However, you are still correct. Here is what they have to say about the Russian government and oligarchs: in their party program, they have (among other things) resolved

— to use every legitimate means to remove the mafia-comprador bourgeoisie from power.

— to dismantle the system of wholesale rigging of elections;
— to create a truly independent judiciary;

Seems fair.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

Russia says it's sanctioning Biden, Hillary Clinton and top U.S. officials

Russia's foreign ministry said Russia would sanction President Biden and members of his administration, banning them from entering Russia. It says the move is retaliation for U.S. sanctions.

www.npr.org

The classic "No you"

 

[bluegate]

Russia says it's sanctioning Biden, Hillary Clinton and top U.S. officials

Russia's foreign ministry said Russia would sanction President Biden and members of his administration, banning them from entering Russia. It says the move is retaliation for U.S. sanctions.

www.npr.org

The classic "No you"

I see they threw in Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden to appease the American republicans.

 

[Silvanus]

Here's what the communist party opposition to Putin has to say about Ukraine:

What is happening in and around Ukraine – Communist Party of the Russian Federation

So, the same heady mix of half-truths, non-truths, and flimsy historical revisionist justifications for annexation and slaughter, then.

I'm not terribly surprised, considering any opposition outlet or figure who might actually represent a threat to the ruling party gets shut down or murdered.

 

[Seanchaidh]

So, the same heady mix of half-truths, non-truths, and flimsy historical revisionist justifications for annexation and slaughter, then.

Which parts do you think are not true? And do you have a good reason for that other than United States ruling class media said otherwise?

I'm not terribly surprised, considering any opposition outlet or figure who might actually represent a threat to the ruling party gets shut down or murdered.

The same website implicitly calls Putin part of the mafia-comprador bourgeoisie, so that's not a very good explanation.

 

[Generals]

So, the same heady mix of half-truths, non-truths, and flimsy historical revisionist justifications for annexation and slaughter, then.

I'm not terribly surprised, considering any opposition outlet or figure who might actually represent a threat to the ruling party gets shut down or murdered.

See now, I don't think they agree with Putin on these points because they're a semi-opposition party. I think they agree because that party is infested by ultra nationalist Stalinists and Leninists. They are morally repugnant and if there is one party that could make Russia even worse than Putin it's them.

 

[Satinavian]

Which parts do you think are not true? And do you have a good reason for that other than United States ruling class media said otherwise?

Let's go through it paragraph for paragraph

There is a war in Ukraine - true but only introduction

What is Ukraine? - strongly misleading as it happens to forget every single instance of Ukrainian independence or uprising before 1917.

Ukraine was an agricultural country - mostly true

Socialist Ukraine developed powerfully - No, just no. Somehow forgetting the Holodomor and painting the Soviet era as purely beneficial is a no go.

After the collapse of the USSR in December 1991, Ukraine became an independent state for the first time in its history - Lie. Cossak Hetmanate.

Now it is the poorest country in Europe. - Lie.

The population of Ukraine is strongly dissatisfied - basically lies.

Neo-Nazis came to power - Lies and then some historical facts from around WWII that are irrelevant

It is an alliance of neo-Nazis with oligarchic capital - Lies

After 2014 Nazi ideology is being implanted in Ukraine - Nonsense

At the same time an attempt began to forcibly assimilate the Russian population of Ukraine with the suppression of the Russian language. - Lies

The Communists of Russia take an active part in the defense of the LPR-DPR. -Possible, but unlikely

In March 2015 at the initiative of Russia (with the participation of Germany and France) the Minsk agreements were concluded - Here we find the lies about bioweapons

Russia is not going to occupy Ukraine - Lies about minimizing civillian casualties and removing Nazis

This nefarious Nazi tactic is not condemned in the West - That is a bunch of nonsese trying to paint it as a Russia-US-conflict.



So overall, just another Russian propaganda piece hardly distinguishable from the rest. What a waste of time.

 

[Silvanus]

Which parts do you think are not true? And do you have a good reason for that other than United States ruling class media said otherwise?

I never tire of your default assumption that any disagreement with your favoured narrative must be down to propagandist delusion. The fact its usually followed by you heartily dismissing or ignoring genuinely independent reports and survivor testimonies, and uncritically parroting propaganda from your preferred state organs, never gets old.

The part about how "degradation of human capital has reached its limit, the country is on the verge of national catastrophe" justifies invasion and annexation is hysterical shit. None of the factors they use to back it up apply any more to Ukraine than they do to Russia. No "catastrophe" has been averted by the wholesale slaughter of civilians; in fact, the wholesale slaughter of civilians is the fucking catastrophe.

The same website implicitly calls Putin part of the mafia-comprador bourgeoisie, so that's not a very good explanation.

Which do you think is most sensitive in Russia at the moment? Standard rhetoric like that, or protest against the war, for which over 4000 people have been arrested in under 2 weeks?

 

[Trunkage]

Russia is not going to occupy Ukraine - Lies about minimizing civillian casualties and removing Nazis

So, as far as I've read, Putin wants regime change. (Let me know if that's incorrect.)

Can anyone explain to me how changing the regime isn't occupying it?

 

[Silvanus]

So, as far as I've read, Putin wants regime change. (Let me know if that's incorrect.)

Can anyone explain to me how changing the regime isn't occupying it?

Well, they could topple the existing government and ensure a Russia-sympathetic replacement takes power, then withdraw. Leaving them with a puppet satellite state, like Belarus, whose policy is largely decided or approved by Moscow. That wouldn't be occupation, though obviously it would be egregious nonetheless.

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An interesting point to remember for the socialists here: going by the Gini coefficient, Russia has one of the highest rates of income inequality of all major economies. Its only slightly behind the US, and is second-worst in Europe (behind Bulgaria).

Ukraine has one of the lowest rates of income inequality globally.

Wealth Inequality by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Kind of puts the "denazification" narrative into sharp relief. As if the Russian army bombing a Holocaust memorial wasn't enough.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

Putin’s spin doc demands reparations from US over sanctions, wants Alaska back

The Kremlin’s spin doctor is demanding the US return Alaska and pay Russia reparations.

nypost.com

Spoiler: hello russia

 

[Thaluikhain]

Putin’s spin doc demands reparations from US over sanctions, wants Alaska back

The Kremlin’s spin doctor is demanding the US return Alaska and pay Russia reparations.

nypost.com

Spoiler: hello russia

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According to the Daily Mail. OTOH, not be too surprised if some high profile Russians are calling for that, people in the US called for China to pay for reparations over Covid a little while ago.

 

[bluegate]

Well, they could topple the existing government and ensure a Russia-sympathetic replacement takes power, then withdraw. Leaving them with a puppet satellite state, like Belarus, whose policy is largely decided or approved by Moscow. That wouldn't be occupation, though obviously it would be egregious nonetheless.

With how much damage Russia is inflicting to Ukraine and how hard the military and civilians are fighting, they'd have to station quite a bit of military protection in the country lest their government suffer mass accidental window fallings.

 

[Trunkage]

Well, they could topple the existing government and ensure a Russia-sympathetic replacement takes power, then withdraw. Leaving them with a puppet satellite state, like Belarus, whose policy is largely decided or approved by Moscow. That wouldn't be occupation, though obviously it would be egregious nonetheless.

That sounds exactly like occupying it

 

[Silvanus]

That sounds exactly like occupying it

It's got a lot of similarities. But I wouldn't call Belarus "occupied" by Russia. I'd call them a compliant satellite state.

 

[Trunkage]

It's got a lot of similarities. But I wouldn't call Belarus "occupied" by Russia. I'd call them a compliant satellite state.

Do you call Vichy France not occupied?

 

[Trunkage]

This video feels like it fits the theme of this thread and explores moral ambiguity