Underage Sexual Assault Victim Faces Jail Time...For Tweeting the Names of Her Attackers (UPDATED)

jackinmydaniels

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This is just disgusting, the girl was raped, these boys however old or young they may be SHOULD be known as the filth they are. Everybody should know that these two raped a girl, if all you do is give em a slap on the wrist and say.

"Oh you little bugger, quit bein' such a scamp! Now run along I heard Johnny is throwing another party with lots of girls and booze! I'm sure now that you've been told how wrong this is and were caught you won't just do it again but be more careful."

I don't care about the rules of the court or whether or not she broke them. These boys are monsters and should be treated as such.
 

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viranimus said:
Honestly she deserves more. It astounds me how we have basically written this "get out of responsibility for my actions" card related to alcohol and sex.

This was not the first time this girl had ever drank to excess.

She was fully aware of what happens when you drink to excess.

She was fully aware of what happens when you mix overfilled sexually frustrated boys and alcohol.

So purposely going to a place to get drunk and hang out with a bunch of horny drunken teenage boys is literally like taking your life into your own hands.

It doesnt excuse they boys actions, but it does explain part of why the sentence was so light.

The other reason is that all of these kids are still considered minors. Its a well known fact that in the US your "record" is wiped clean after you turn 18. That is why the attys wanted the gag order on the details of this. Its so as these kids who made mistakes are not punished for it for the rest of their lives. She forcibly took that away in a shit storm of twitter based conjecture that now will put these people up for public scrutiny and will always have that specter hanging over their heads as long as they remain in that community. And as we have seen many times in the recent past (Casey Anthony for example) public perception can not only trump jurisprudence, but quickly turn into a lynch mob armed with more pitchforks and torches than actual facts.

Yes I get it, that she will also have to endure the same of the assault, but again, she has to (even though she never will) have to accept that part of the blame is her own for leaving herself vulnerable to this. So sorry little girl, Just because you had a problem and the resolution did not go your way does not give you the justification for just doing whatever you want to even the score. Thats why you do not understand Justice.

viranimus said:
Honestly she deserves more. It astounds me how we have basically written this "get out of responsibility for my actions" card related to alcohol and sex.

This was not the first time this girl had ever drank to excess.

She was fully aware of what happens when you drink to excess.

She was fully aware of what happens when you mix overfilled sexually frustrated boys and alcohol.

So purposely going to a place to get drunk and hang out with a bunch of horny drunken teenage boys is literally like taking your life into your own hands.

It doesnt excuse they boys actions, but it does explain part of why the sentence was so light.

The other reason is that all of these kids are still considered minors. Its a well known fact that in the US your "record" is wiped clean after you turn 18. That is why the attys wanted the gag order on the details of this. Its so as these kids who made mistakes are not punished for it for the rest of their lives. She forcibly took that away in a shit storm of twitter based conjecture that now will put these people up for public scrutiny and will always have that specter hanging over their heads as long as they remain in that community. And as we have seen many times in the recent past (Casey Anthony for example) public perception can not only trump jurisprudence, but quickly turn into a lynch mob armed with more pitchforks and torches than actual facts.

Yes I get it, that she will also have to endure the same of the assault, but again, she has to (even though she never will) have to accept that part of the blame is her own for leaving herself vulnerable to this. So sorry little girl, Just because you had a problem and the resolution did not go your way does not give you the justification for just doing whatever you want to even the score. Thats why you do not understand Justice.

And while Im at it.. What "rights" were taken away from her? Yes she lost a great many things with this whole ordeal, but what actual legal rights will she not be able to use again because of all this?

So All I can see when I read about this is a pissed off little girl who didnt get what she wanted lashing out and throwing an online temper tantrum. Her representatives(as in her family) agreed to the plea agreement. She breached that agreement. One has nothing to do with the other. It literally is as simple as that.
Ok, let me see if I'm understanding you. She had it coming? She went to a party to have fun and over did it. And because she passed out she should have expected to be raped or molested because that's what guys at parties do. Wow. And the sentence was light because of that? Are you serious? That's ridiculous! And then you say she's whining becasue she didnt get what she wanted? Yeah I think it's a little more than that.
 

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While she broke a court order, she should be punished for that. But I do not think she should be punished in any way that is as severe or is more severe as what the 2 kids got.
 

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salinv said:
Out of curiosity, where did you find out that they specifically plead down to the charge of felony abuse? The article only said they plead guilty to abuse and voyeurism, nothing of pleading down from a greater charge?

I guess I'm just being an unending optimist for "until proven guilty..."
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120720/NEWS01/307200106/Sexual-assault-victim-s-tweets-about-attackers-prompt-contempt-case-against-Louisville-s-Savannah-Dietrich

Page 3. They plea bargained to be charged with first-degree sexual abuse and misdemeanor voyeurism. Though looking at it a second time, it doesn't say if there was an initial charge beforehand officially filed or not. I'll edit my post to reflect that.

I can sympathize with the "until proven guilty" thing, I've just seen this type of pattern so many times it's depressing. A woman is probably safer jogging nude alone in the middle of the night in an abandoned park than passing out at a party.
 

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To hell with this stupid pathos plea, she went against an explicit court order. She broke the law, she can deal with the consequences. You don't get a free ride to break the laws just because "hurr durr i was a viktum". That's not how Justice works.
 

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SpectacularWebHead said:
Besides, 'merica pulls stuff like this and worse all the time and we haven't quite regressed to that level yet.
Nothing was "pulled" here. A victim does not have immunity over an explicit court order. Disagree all you wish.

The boys are rapists, Naming and shaming is something that would have happened later anyway, seeing as how they confessed. Who cares if someone kicks the crap or murders a couple of rapists and makes them suffer as this girl likely will for the rest of her life? Two less pieces of worthless human garbage in the world. That, over all, is a plus.
So, it's stupid to suggest that ignoring laws leads to anarchy, but society can accept anarchy on the streets, so long as the victims are convicted rapists. Noted.

And if it would have been permissible to talk about it later, then what was her hurry to violate the order?
 

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...She isn't very smart.

Technology these days is like giving a cap gun dipped in nitroglycerin to a ten year old.
 

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ZephrC said:
Holy crap people are weird about sex. Obviously what those boys did was wrong, and maybe their punishment was too lenient. It certainly happens.

Still, this sort of bullshit vigilantism is completely counter-productive in the end. You'd think that people would have realized that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. Well plastering shit all over the news about how unimaginably horrible every bit of inappropriate touching is sure as hell isn't making it any less powerful, is it?

Seriously. I'm not kidding here. That just makes it more appealing to the sorts of people who are willing to do that sort of thing. Sure the ones with half a brain cell don't want their names attached to it, since they'd probably like to get a job at some point, but let's be serious; no criminal ever thinks they're going to be the one to get caught.

I mean, I get that it's absolutely horrible the way rape victims are often shut up. It's disgusting. Still, if it ever becomes public that a person was involved in a crime that's even vaguely related to sex they will never have a decent job again in our society. And maybe if it's a 40 year old rapist that's okay, but a couple high school kids? That's fucked up.

I know this isn't going to be a popular thing to say, but I really believe we need to take away rape's power by making it less of a big deal. We need to understand that it's not okay, yes, but to demonize it more than torture and murder is only giving it more power. It needs to be something that we can talk about without fear of ruining the lives of everyone involved. Not just for the sake of stupid kids, but for the sake of the victims as well. I seriously believe that the way we treat rape victims damages them more than the rape does, and that goes more for the people trying to help than it does for the assholes trying to cover it up or blame the victim.

I realize that kind of goes counter to the original point, but violating court orders isn't the way to enact meaningful change, especially when it's clearly only to the detriment of the other side. I don't blame her for wanting to talk, and certainly don't think she deserves jail time for it, but I think the way she went about things will do more harm than good. We need, as a society, to stop being so goddamned freaked out by sex. It's weird and unhealthy.
In this case, it was about sex.

Two 17 year old boys sexually abuse a girl to feel power or "hehehe I can see her boobies" (probably for the first time), which seems the most likely?

You don't think rape is like torture? I would certainly class rape as sexual torture.
 

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K1LLTH3N00B said:
She got what was coming to her. Probably dressed like a slut at that party too.
My hope is that that was a joke, but I'll reply anyway.

Seriously? You think that anyone who passes out at a party deserves to be sexually abused? They're 17, for fucks sake.

What is this I don't even...

Anyway, if you are joking, well done, great satire.
 

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AgedGrunt said:
SpectacularWebHead said:
Besides, 'merica pulls stuff like this and worse all the time and we haven't quite regressed to that level yet.
Nothing was "pulled" here. A victim does not have immunity over an explicit court order. Disagree all you wish.

The boys are rapists, Naming and shaming is something that would have happened later anyway, seeing as how they confessed. Who cares if someone kicks the crap or murders a couple of rapists and makes them suffer as this girl likely will for the rest of her life? Two less pieces of worthless human garbage in the world. That, over all, is a plus.
So, it's stupid to suggest that ignoring laws leads to anarchy, but society can accept anarchy on the streets, so long as the victims are convicted rapists. Noted.

And if it would have been permissible to talk about it later, then what was her hurry to violate the order?
I recomend you learn what anarchy actually means. Anarchy means "Without government" But does not mean Chaos, which is what you are reffering to. And before you say "Anarchy implies chaos" It does not, it is just often wrongly attributed to chaos.

What do you think her hurry was? She'd been raped, there are about a million reasons for her to tell people. Without seeing the tweet, we can only speculate, but I highly doubt it was "Got raped by Jack and Sam LOL".
 

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FWIW, the contempt motion has been withdrawn, so it's somewhat of a moot point now:

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120723/NEWS01/307230081/Contempt-motion-withdrawn-sexual-assault-victim-Savannah-Dietrich-who-tweeted-attackers-names%22
 

salinv

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I don't necessarily agree with it, but the motion for holding her in contempt was withdrawn. If anyone cares.

Yay, a link. [http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120723/NEWS01/307230081/Contempt-motion-withdrawn-sexual-assault-victim-Savannah-Dietrich-who-tweeted-attackers-names?odyssey=mod|mostview]

At this point though, it really doesn't make much of a difference.

edit: Of course I would be ninja'd
 

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BeeGeenie said:


So they plead guilty to a lesser charge... but only on the condition of anonymity. What idiot agreed to that in the first place.
Anonymity wasn't part of the plea deal. Because the boys were minors when the sexual assault was committed, and are being tried as minors the court has to keep their names confidential.
 

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Dirty Hipsters said:
BeeGeenie said:


So they plead guilty to a lesser charge... but only on the condition of anonymity. What idiot agreed to that in the first place.
Anonymity wasn't part of the plea deal. Because the boys were minors when the sexual assault was committed, and are being tried as minors the court has to keep their names confidential.
Okay, fair enough, but the Jackie Chan meme still stands. WTF are they thinking? I don't care if they're minors. If all the members of the court want to keep quiet about it, good for them. They can bury the truth under a rug. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to talk about it, she doesn't work for the justice department.