Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

Zipa

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Festus Moonbear said:
Oh, please! Stop scaremongering, people. This law has already existed for television since .... the invention of television, without any dreadful consequences for liberty. They're not coming for your guns. You can still have your wanks once you've opted in to it again. People with kids appreciate this, although they shouldn't rely on it.
I have a daughter and think this is a poorly thought up idea, its pitifully easy to bypass and kids are much more computer savvy now than ever. That and google and the other search providers already filter child porn anyway. Its a PR move to make Cameron and the tories look less shit.

The creators and distributors of this kind of sick shit already have systems in place to make them hard to find and keep them hidden. If they just showed up on a search engine then it would be easy to catch them.

Besides all the tools to stop kids seeing this already exists, provided by ISPs, routers and browsers as well as third parties in the form of software .
Plus people should actually be parents and watch what their kids are doing. Granted it can't be done 24/7 but that is where said tools come in.

Freedoms should not be infringed on because some people are too stupid/lazy to actually use the tools given to them. Hell even my parents who are 56 know and use parental control on their computer because of their grandkids.



The UK and Tories attitude to sex is what is causing a fucked up youth not the internet. There is a reason the UK has the highest teen pregnancy in Europe and a open and liberal country like the Netherlands where sex and sexuality are discussed and displayed openly not shunned it is the lowest in Europe.
 

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Thank God the government is protecting us from porn.

I mean, if our kids saw porn, we might actually have to explain to them how sex works and why you shouldn't watch porn. Thank God the government is protecting us from parenting.
 

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There are two kinds of people, those who watch porn and liars ... this fuck knuckle is a politician so I am asumming he is a liar.

Want to shame me into saying I watch porn? No problem, but if kids want porn they will get porn.

I am curious to see if Anon will "bring the noise" when this gets implemented.
 

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NightHawk21 said:
Zipa said:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.
See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?
Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.
 

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Zipa said:
NightHawk21 said:
Zipa said:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.
See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?
Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.
Then I imagine Reddit is going to be getting a whole new set of british users, and the filter will prove pointless. I'm curious to see if 4chan will be blocked.
 

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Fun fact I learned from my psychology professor who's expertise was human sexuality: studies show that communities with easier access to porn have lower rates of sexual violence. I don't want to sound too grim and cynical by saying this but humans are sexual and sometimes violent beings by nature and evidence that simulated sex (porn) and simulated violence (video games, movies) actually do people more good by letting them get off. Otherwise you're only left with acting out on these emotions. So by all means Cameron, lets just see what happens when some of these hormonal and underdeveloped teens without any outlets for relief will do when their porn gets cuts off (assuming they can't get around it anyway)
 

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NightHawk21 said:
Zipa said:
NightHawk21 said:
Zipa said:
Another thing is how will this work (it likely won't) with social networking sites like twitter, tumblr ect there is porn on them to. Are people going to have to opt out of having them blocked to even if they use them for you know talking to people and not porn.
See that's what I'm worried about. What's going to happen to sites that host porn but aren't porn centric. Let's take reddit for example. Reddit has plenty of stuff that isn't porn, but it hosts a lot of subreddits that are porn-centric. Wonder if they'll block the whole site or what. Hell even youtube has some mature content, which while not porn could be considered more suggestive. Are they going to shut down youtube too?
Its more likely that sites like Reddit and Youtube who are not porn focused but do have some mature content won't be effected as the Tories and their advisers just don't get the internet and its nuances, and thus they won't of even heard of things like Reddit or Tumblr.
Then I imagine Reddit is going to be getting a whole new set of british users, and the filter will prove pointless. I'm curious to see if 4chan will be blocked.
It won't change much honestly, the filters will be pitifully easy to bypass because things like Google DNS and VPN services exist.

Anyone with some fairly basic PC knowledge adult or child will be able to get around it with minimal effort. The more worrying thing is the Tories are setting a prescient that they are just going to infringe on peoples freedoms and liberties because it furthers their political agenda.

Its very transparent that this is his goal as he is going after the internet which is not owned by one of his big corporation buddies but he is leaving the newspapers alone which have pictures of women half naked in them but are strangely enough owned by his corporation buddies.

What a coincidence that is eh David?
 

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Stupid idea, is and will be a failure on every possible level and many people will already have features in place that completely circumvent it.
 

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Yeah I can see this not working in the slightest and just causing people to get extremely pissed off. Mainly because I'm pretty sure there are easy ways to get around it if one were to use a proxy server. But in reality this is just a ploy by Cameron to just get votes because I'd like to think that no one in their right mind would vote for Cameron any other way.
Of course this isn't the case all the time...>.>
 

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Odd, I thought America was the country founded by Puritans and Quakers...
 

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You know, when I was a kid my parents tried to shelter me. I couldn't listen to any music or watch tv shows or movies they didn't approve of. My parents also taught me the world was sunshine and rainbows, that you could do anything if you tried hard enough. You know what happened? I became a kind of social outcast because I couldn't relate to any of the kids my age - they were allowed to listen to music or watch things I couldn't. Then I failed at things I tried my best at - because I didn't have the connections or the exact qualifications or whatever. I stumbled in the dark for a long time trying to adjust to the real world after being taught lies for near a decade. And it was only after that -after I had learned the truth myself by having it beat into me by constant failure- that my parents turned around and told me how it really was (not that I hold it against them, kids don't come with manuals and they did what they thought was right. But still...). So to this man and all those who think like him: fuck you. This isn't the way to "protect the children", this is the way to cripple the children.
 

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so..... who wants to vote that hes taken a bribe from the pornography industry.

I mean come on, look at it, oh you can have your name on a national pervert database so you can watch free porn, OR..... you can go down the road, to your local adult shop and buy porn anomalously.
 

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Part of me wants to point and laugh but there are worse things going on in my country right now as it is and I'm sure we'll adopt this policy sooner or later.

Thing is, I'll call my ISP right up ad tell them in no petite way "I WANT MY PORN TURNED ON THANK YOU".
 

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Everyone, just go to the M-Rated fanfiction. Since they can't ban it as they'd have to ban the whole site, you can get all of the erotic fiction you need.

Or you could just go on DeviantArt. Problem solved.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron has announced that virtually every home in the country will have access to online pornography blocked at the ISP level unless a request to remove the block is made.
They're finally getting the wish they've been asking for since 1996 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom] when the cops wanted to block child porn newsgroups (the list of which just happened to include things like pictures of centerfolds tacked on at the end).

Andy Chalk said:
Cameron said that by the end of 2014, the country's largest internet providers have agreed to contact their existing customers with an "unavoidable decision about whether or not to install family friendly content filters" - unavoidable because customers who fail to respond for any reason will have it switched on by default.
Except it's not really a choice about whether or not to install them, as they're being installed anyway. It's more of a Hobson's choice, as the refusal is the more difficult option: You can take the censorship horse being offered, or spend more time and trouble walking the uncensored path.

It also conveniently gives the government a short list of people who express a desire to look at porn.

That's it, I need a VPN.

Andy Chalk said:
The filter will be put into place on mobile phone networks and on the U.K.'s public wi-fi network "wherever children are likely to be present." The government is also looking into creating a "Family Friendly Wi-Fi" symbol for retailers, hotels and other companies who want to let their customers know that their wi-fi network is filtered.
If that was a selling point they'd already do it.

Andy Chalk said:
Cameron called upon Google, Bing and other search engines to blacklist sites provided to them by the government,
In other news, the Iranian goverment has also called upon search engines to blacklist sites provided, including ones with pictures of any part of the female anatomy, pro-Christian/atheist/Shinto/Zoroastrianism sites, sites that treat homosexuals like human beings, and anyone spreading that pernicious rumor that the Holocaust happened when it was obviously just that 'Jews are filthy disease-ridden monsters killed by their filthy Jew diseases and we're better off without them anyway'.

Free speech or fascism: Looks like the UK government made their choice.

Andy Chalk said:
implement pop-ups in place of disabled "child abuse sites" warning viewers that they risk losing their jobs, their family and even access to their children if they persist in their behavior, and to provide "clear routes... to legitimate sites on the web" when potentially illegal searches are conducted.
"Potentially illegal"? So the feds threaten your job and life if you do something potentially illegal?

Also, "potentially illegal" could just mean copyright infringement. The scope creep has started before the project's begun, which tells me it's not scope creep at all.

Andy Chalk said:
If search engine companies haven't come up with acceptable voluntary solutions by October, he warned that legislation to "force action" will be put into place.

"I want to talk about the internet, the impact it is having on the innocence of our children, how online pornography is corroding childhood and how, in the darkest corners of the internet, there are things going on that are a direct danger to our children,
Because no child saw pornography before the Internet and no child was molested before the Internet.

Andy Chalk said:
and that must be stamped out,"
With nice big jackboots.

Andy Chalk said:
Cameron said in his speech. "I'm not making this speech because I want to moralize or scare-monger, but because I feel profoundly as a politician, and as a father, that the time for action has come.
Yet you are. If I kill someone because the voices in my head tell me to, I'm still a killer. The why and wherefore don't matter; the act makes you the criminal.

I'd love to try this defense in a court: "I didn't speed because I wanted to, but because I felt profoundly that the time for action had come." The phrase is meaningless. I didn't want to do it but I did it because I wanted to do something.

Andy Chalk said:
Cameron also said that new laws will impose the same restrictions on streaming videos on the internet as those sold in retail outlets,
Completely untenable. You can't make a website in the Cayman islands behave like a brick-and-mortar business two blocks from the police station. Might as well impose the same restrictions on garage sales.

Andy Chalk said:
give more power to the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center to investigate "secretive file-sharing networks," create a secure database of child pornography that will help police trace illegal content and the people who look at it, and criminalize the possession of "rape porn."
Define "rape porn". Filmed rape? A porn actress who pretends to be raped? Tentacle hentai? Bodice-ripper romance novels? Nice vague term to use as a bludgeon.
 

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This fucking country sometimes...I wish more than anything I had the kind of money to move out, but unfortunately I'm stuck with a ridiculously conservative nation that doesn't give a single iota to what "I" want.
You feel that way about the UK? I feel the same way about living in the USA! F*** man, we are boned.

Anyway, nanny-stating to the max! As everyone else said, why bother parenting when you can have big gov do it FOR YOU! Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.