Update: I GOT a refund for DNF

[AgentNein]

Wow, that really sums up how almost the entire industry's design sensibilities have changed in the last fifteen or so years, doesn't it?

Map on the left really makes me want to replay the Marathon games. In fact I think I might do that now.

Have you stopped to think maybe it's like that because no-one wants to get lost in a map when they could be, you know, playing the game? Shooting bad guys? Because being able to get lost in a level is called bad level design.

That's silly, you're assuming that getting a bit turned around or lost isn't the designer's intention. Only then is it objectively bad design. Otherwise it's just a stylistic preference.

*snip the rest*

You'll notice that I didn't actually make any sort of judgement call on linear design vs. nonlinear design. I actually like both, but more than anything I enjoy having the option for both in the marketplace. Mazes are fun for some folks, you know this right?

And getting lost would be easily remedied by having a map on hand. A lot of old FPSs had maps. Although I do agree, that level in Duke 3d was kinda bullshit. Not all of the stages were though, right?

 

[Juventus]

So if you bought a pie, and the pie was terrible, you wouldn't expect your money back?

that's why you play demos first. 99 percent of the time demos are an accurate representation of what the final product is, especially in shooters where there is only so many ways you can kill somethings and the stories are generally shit.

compare it your example. if the pie shop gives you free samples to try out, and after trying said horrible pie, you decide to buy the pie anyway, do you then deserve your money back?

in short op pulled a retard move by buying the game and gets away scratch free.

 

[AgentBJ09]

I may have been unclear here, I meant the Deus Ex beta. omgomgomgomg

In that case, no.

However, I have seen gameplay footage of the E3 demo, and while the game looks interesting, like I said before, I refuse to support anything that is connected to Square Enix. And, if I find out the game is good, I will buy it used.

 

[Nieroshai]

You paid $80? PLEASE day this isn't in USD because if it is, you got ripped off.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Isn't that one of the early Doom levels? I remember that maze in the right hand corner, I think.

God, Doom was awesome. More shooters need to emphasise exploration.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Um...Good for you?

Seriously, please explain to me why anyone should care about this.

And someone else explain why the actually DO, if the THREE FUCKING PAGES of this thread are any indication.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

You play a game, finish it, then want your money back because you didn't like it. Congrats on being part of the reason why retail outlets no longer do refunds or exchanges on games & movies!

So if you bought a pie, and the pie was terrible, you wouldn't expect your money back?

not really, if it was not cooked obviously or some other obvious reason, i'd have pointed that out from the get go and wait my extra time for them to take it back and fix it, which is no big deal really, but for arguments sake i go into wherever i'm going KNOWING what i am getting and why i am getting it, and if i end up not liking it then i remember that for next time to A)not go there for that or B) get something else there next time. I know i'm a semi picky eater but isn't that whole point of liking foods? so you can go back there and get it again next time?

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Don't get me wrong - I had fun with Duke Nukem Forever. Did I have eighty bucks of fun? No.

My worthless opinion: I believe the fourteen year development time, constant changes and the lunatic in charge of the whole mess constantly trying to make the game like the other big sellers - presumably in pursuit of the perfect game - is the reason behind the game's utter failure.

Even by standards of today's games, it's lame. What irks me the most is the rooms full of enemies, and you can only advance by killing each wave. As if the gates are fueled by alien souls, and you have to feed it so many before it opens for you. Boring.

So, I contacted Steam Support and they said yes to my refund. I advise those of you who tragically miss their eighty bucks to do the same.

Just be as polite and respectful as you can. Personally I'm going to use this to buy Portal2, which I should have done a long, long time ago.

i'm glad that you got your refund, that's awesome, but wow...is steam retarded? for video games unless the game wasn't working correctly i'd tell someone tough shit and to go enjoy their 80 bucks of data they just purchased.

 

[Baneat]

I say there should be focused linearity, but with a slight, if arbitrary, degree of freedom.

A map like the left hand side one with a minimap and objective arrow in-game

It's the perfect solution, since they're saying "Go explore, maybe you'll find a cool weapon or hidden route or something, but if you want the on-rails or get lost, we've got you covered!"

 

[icyneesan]

Eighty bucks? It's $50 on Steam right now.

So, I contacted Steam Support and they said yes to my refund.

...Are you God?

 

[ZeroMachine]

... You payed 80$ for a digital copy? Did it give you a digital blow job?

 

[xorinite]

He may very well have the right to a refund, it all depends on what consumer rights are like in the country he lives in.
It would take a lot for me to return a game on the grounds that it was unsatisfactory (one of my statutory consumer rights)
Finishing the game shouldn't necessarily prevent you from returning it either, especially if length of the game is something that factored into returning it.

 

[Zenn3k]

Its pretty bad, I'll agree, but if I like the style...the perverted humor, it appeals to me.

The thing with this game, is thats its trying to be too much. It plays like Halo (Halo 1), with worse controls, and some carry over mechanics from Duke 3D. Its also incredibly annoying at times. The queen fight? Its not HARD, its not annoying as hell because it takes forever, and a twist of bad luck or bad aim and BOOM...you start alllll over.

Its really a LOT like Duke 3D, just with updated graphics (that are 6 years out of date).

The 2 weapons at a time idea, was bad.
The regen system, is bad. Its also too damn slow.
The controls are really bad

But, its still Duke Nukem, and I want another one, a REAL modern day Duke, and if this game does well enough, we could see it in a year or two.

 

[SirCannonFodder]

I may have been unclear here, I meant the Deus Ex beta. omgomgomgomg

In that case, no.

However, I have seen gameplay footage of the E3 demo, and while the game looks interesting, like I said before, I refuse to support anything that is connected to Square Enix. And, if I find out the game is good, I will buy it used.

May I ask why you refuse to buy anything connected to Square Enix?

 

[Optimystic]

Is it an amusing trip through FPS memory lane? Sure.

Is it worth $60? Fuck no.

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Good, the quicker the world forgets about this game the better.

 

[Jegsimmons]

wait...steam gives refunds?

my word! is everything that circles around valve just rainbows filled with skittles filled up by leprechauns on chuck norris adrenaline awesome?


those people have earned my tolerance on HL2 ep3 release being long and i owe them a box of cigars.

 

[Skratt]

You play a game, finish it, then want your money back because you didn't like it. Congrats on being part of the reason why retail outlets no longer do refunds or exchanges on games & movies!

So if you bought a pie, and the pie was terrible, you wouldn't expect your money back?

Depends. Typically no, you can't have a refund because you didn't like it. If it had mold or was otherwise defective you can have another pie or maybe a store credit, but no refund.

Some places do give refunds and kudos to them for that, but I've long since gotten used to the idea that if I don't want to get screwed on a bad game, don't buy it right at release. Wait 3-6 months and the price will often times drop by like 50% (new). Unless you are someone like NCSOFT (guild wars) in that the purchase price IS the MMO price, so it never goes on sale.

 

[Giddi]

You play a game, finish it, then want your money back because you didn't like it. Congrats on being part of the reason why retail outlets no longer do refunds or exchanges on games & movies!

So if you bought a pie, and the pie was terrible, you wouldn't expect your money back?

This. How else do we reward/punish for good/bad games after we purchase other than to hit their hip pocket?

I only hope that steam can get a refund from the developers for your purchase...

 

[Rabish Bini]

Don't get me wrong - I had fun with Duke Nukem Forever. Did I have eighty bucks of fun? No.

My worthless opinion: I believe the fourteen year development time, constant changes and the lunatic in charge of the whole mess constantly trying to make the game like the other big sellers - presumably in pursuit of the perfect game - is the reason behind the game's utter failure.

Even by standards of today's games, it's lame. What irks me the most is the rooms full of enemies, and you can only advance by killing each wave. As if the gates are fueled by alien souls, and you have to feed it so many before it opens for you. Boring.

So, I contacted Steam Support and they said yes to my refund. I advise those of you who tragically miss their eighty bucks to do the same.

Just be as polite and respectful as you can. Personally I'm going to use this to buy Portal2, which I should have done a long, long time ago.

Tell me how you had fun? Because I didn't.

You could say this for pretty much anything.
Fun is a subjective thing. It's like asking how people thought Event Horizon was a good movie. Sometimes they have no answer, it just was to them.