Cheaters never prosper so I believe he gets what he deserves. The mom is just crying wolf because she thinks her special little boy can do no wrong well guess what you break the rules you get the punishment thats how the world works.
[UPDATE] Microsoft Devastates Autistic Child By Labeling Him a Cheater
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Ah but a perfectly logical move for an 11 year old who spends too much time playing Xbox. Autistic or no, if he's cheating, he needs to learn that there are consequences.Tankichi said:
I mean, I'm (technically) autistic too, and by age 11 I had learnt that if I did something wrong, I was going to have my arse kicked by one or more authority figures.
In response to posts like 'How can you be obsessed with achievements' 'Who cares about Gamerscore, lol': Fuck off.
My little brother is severely autistic, and autistic children get obsessed over anything. My little brother has obsessed over cars, football and currently Star Wars Lego - and they mean the world to him. And by obsessed, I truly mean it - to the point of being able to name any car brand by the logo alone - at age three.
Achievements seemed to mean the world to this kid - I'm sure we've all become obsessed over something - how many people play WoW or Minecraft? How is that any different to this?
I'm not saying if he cheated either way here, just stating that saying 'lol he's stupid for collecting them anyway who cares' is a fucking moronic viewpoint.
My little brother is severely autistic, and autistic children get obsessed over anything. My little brother has obsessed over cars, football and currently Star Wars Lego - and they mean the world to him. And by obsessed, I truly mean it - to the point of being able to name any car brand by the logo alone - at age three.
Achievements seemed to mean the world to this kid - I'm sure we've all become obsessed over something - how many people play WoW or Minecraft? How is that any different to this?
I'm not saying if he cheated either way here, just stating that saying 'lol he's stupid for collecting them anyway who cares' is a fucking moronic viewpoint.
/thread. im autistic(aspergers in real definition) and i can do things in games that my friends have trouble doing. does that make me a cheater? hell no, it just means im goodMelasZepheos said:
i think they should at least see the games that he got the acheivements from, it should help his case if he owns all the games he got achievements from.
Acheivement points and a Label as cheater? OMG those monstersss.
Talk about overreaction from the mother. I get that this is important to the kid but he can probably just win them all back anyways.
Talk about overreaction from the mother. I get that this is important to the kid but he can probably just win them all back anyways.
People think that just because a child is autistic, that they are little angels that would never do anything bad. They. Are. Wrong. They are as human as anyone else. It's just that they are socially inept. I have asperger's syndrome and yet I'm capable of being selfish and wanting something despite it being unethical.
Microsoft wouldn't continue to have the child's account labeled as a cheating one unless they were damn sure, considering the fact that the kid is autistic and "picking on the autistic kid for no reason" isn't a very good PR stunt.
So, I think the kid cheated, and deserves to have his achievements taken away. Since he's capable of at least talking to the press about his dissatisfaction, he can't be completely withdrawn from society. He must have a concept of good and bad. With the varying degrees of autism, what's to stop people of less extremes to claim what he did and get a free pass?
Microsoft wouldn't continue to have the child's account labeled as a cheating one unless they were damn sure, considering the fact that the kid is autistic and "picking on the autistic kid for no reason" isn't a very good PR stunt.
So, I think the kid cheated, and deserves to have his achievements taken away. Since he's capable of at least talking to the press about his dissatisfaction, he can't be completely withdrawn from society. He must have a concept of good and bad. With the varying degrees of autism, what's to stop people of less extremes to claim what he did and get a free pass?
Firstly, if this 11 year old child is mature enough to play games such as COD:Black OPS, Left4Dead 1&2, Saints Row 1&2, Dead Rising 1&2, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, 50 Cent Blood on the Sand, Hitman:Blood Money, Resident Evil 5 or any of the other mature games on his game's list, then he's mature enough to take responsibility for the consequences of hacking his Gamerscore.
Secondly, if his mother is so concerned about the stigma of her son being labelled a cheat, then why didn't she clean the filth, grime and dead skin off his controller and wipe the weeping pus sore off his thumb before inviting Fox News to film close ups of his squalid hands?
I think the stigma of letting your 11 year old son play violent M rated games so much that he has sores on his digits and the analogue sticks on his filthy controller are worn smooth and have "fur" growing underneath them, is a lot worse than him being legitimately labelled a cheater, a label that only he will see on his Gamertag (unless you specifically go and look for it), unlike this Fox News story, which the entire world can see and has prompted people to find out and scrutinise his Gamertag and see what kind of games you let your 11 year old child play.
http://live.xbox.com/en-GB/GameCenter?compareTo=ZOMBIE%20KILL67
Secondly, if his mother is so concerned about the stigma of her son being labelled a cheat, then why didn't she clean the filth, grime and dead skin off his controller and wipe the weeping pus sore off his thumb before inviting Fox News to film close ups of his squalid hands?
I think the stigma of letting your 11 year old son play violent M rated games so much that he has sores on his digits and the analogue sticks on his filthy controller are worn smooth and have "fur" growing underneath them, is a lot worse than him being legitimately labelled a cheater, a label that only he will see on his Gamertag (unless you specifically go and look for it), unlike this Fox News story, which the entire world can see and has prompted people to find out and scrutinise his Gamertag and see what kind of games you let your 11 year old child play.
From what I can gather from the article this kid just like every other under 12 on Xbox Live, only with the added bonus of probably being told his whole life that "it's not your fault billy, you're AUTISTIC".
As someone with ASD (albeit diagnosed around age 12) I find this annoying, even offensive. I've never used my autism as a crutch, and purple that do make me angry beyond belief. All thing considered, most people with ASD wouldn't even think of blaming it for their actions.
But I digress, if this kid's a cheater, he should be held up to the standard of the rest of the Xbox community.
As someone with ASD (albeit diagnosed around age 12) I find this annoying, even offensive. I've never used my autism as a crutch, and purple that do make me angry beyond belief. All thing considered, most people with ASD wouldn't even think of blaming it for their actions.
But I digress, if this kid's a cheater, he should be held up to the standard of the rest of the Xbox community.
His mother would have been the one that had to bare the brunt of the fallout. Sleepless nights, a child unable to eat, stimming excessively and unable to employ any of his basic self-care skills.WanderingBiscuits said:
Whilst many people here are giving Microsoft and the shoddy LIVE infrastructure the benefit of doubt; they're not being as even-handed towards the mother or the boy. We can not see what Microsoft knows, but we can't see what she and her son went through regardless of the validity of the punishment.
Helps if people didn't cite Encyclopedia Dramatica as an authority on Autism.
My question is, and I'm sure it's been asked already but with 13 pages of responses I'm sorry if I don't feel like reading every single response, but why exactly is this important to Microsoft?
Unless I missed the press release where Achievement Points were actually deemed worthy in some way, I'm not really sure why this is a big deal for Microsoft. It'd be like if I could generate all the monopoly money in the world, but the Republic Of Monopoly (yes I know what monopoly means, I'm trying to make a point) no longer existed.
Or if someone cheated and acquired all the Unicorn food and Fairy Dust in the world. Yeah he has a lot but who cares?
I'm not an achievement whore, but I've never bowed down to someone with a superior gamerscore. I just think "oh he has more free time than I do" and move on.
OT: Microsoft does need to be careful here. I did see someone mention autism as a "hot button issue right now" and that's absolutely true. I'm not saying completely restore his stuff no questions asked, but maybe lighten up on the whole "this kid is a cheater" stuff. I promise you there will be people who say that even if he did cheat that because he's autistic he's being treated unfairly.
And has anyone ever been around an autistic child or family with an autistic child for any length of time? When they find something that appeases their child it's like discovering oil in your back yard. It can be very difficult to handle when something an autistic child loves or cherishes is taken away from them.
Unless I missed the press release where Achievement Points were actually deemed worthy in some way, I'm not really sure why this is a big deal for Microsoft. It'd be like if I could generate all the monopoly money in the world, but the Republic Of Monopoly (yes I know what monopoly means, I'm trying to make a point) no longer existed.
Or if someone cheated and acquired all the Unicorn food and Fairy Dust in the world. Yeah he has a lot but who cares?
I'm not an achievement whore, but I've never bowed down to someone with a superior gamerscore. I just think "oh he has more free time than I do" and move on.
OT: Microsoft does need to be careful here. I did see someone mention autism as a "hot button issue right now" and that's absolutely true. I'm not saying completely restore his stuff no questions asked, but maybe lighten up on the whole "this kid is a cheater" stuff. I promise you there will be people who say that even if he did cheat that because he's autistic he's being treated unfairly.
And has anyone ever been around an autistic child or family with an autistic child for any length of time? When they find something that appeases their child it's like discovering oil in your back yard. It can be very difficult to handle when something an autistic child loves or cherishes is taken away from them.
*Reads thread and a few pages of comments*
*Leaves room, comes back with controllers and cleaning wipes*
Honestly, that's all I get from the comments in this thread. If you have dirt on your controllers, you're a terrible person that just plays games, even though some people just have sweaty hands *gasp*.
However, on the subject, why can't the mother just make her son a new gamertag? Is there some console rule that makes cheater spread to any gamertag on the box?
*Leaves room, comes back with controllers and cleaning wipes*
Honestly, that's all I get from the comments in this thread. If you have dirt on your controllers, you're a terrible person that just plays games, even though some people just have sweaty hands *gasp*.
However, on the subject, why can't the mother just make her son a new gamertag? Is there some console rule that makes cheater spread to any gamertag on the box?
Ahem... Sorry to burst the bubble of his name being cheater mccheaterpants, but what microsoft does is add a line to the profile, invalidate all your gamerpoints, and lock the acheivements you have gotten.
"This person is a known cheater." Is what microsoft officially adds to your profile. They don't change Cheater McCheaterpants to your GT. Where is the appeal on Xbox.com? These people are guilty.
"This person is a known cheater." Is what microsoft officially adds to your profile. They don't change Cheater McCheaterpants to your GT. Where is the appeal on Xbox.com? These people are guilty.
They do that to everyone who hacks their achievements. Being autistic has nothing to do with it, if he's found to have done that (there are very very easy ways to find out, such as online only achieves being unlocked while offline - or achieves in the wrong order, then good, he shouldn't have tampered.
He also might be lying, which I think alot of the sympathisers need to consider. How many kids lie when something goes wrong for them?
He also might be lying, which I think alot of the sympathisers need to consider. How many kids lie when something goes wrong for them?
According to the update, it say microsoft has proof (that it has chosen not to make public) saying that they have proof that this kid was cheating. And I highly doubt they would go to all this trouble for one kid without good reason.GamerMage said:
They probably found him getting achievements within seconds of one another, or multiple achievements for different games within a very short period.
and for the record, yes, becoming obsessed with getting something like achievements IS (or can be) a symptom of autism, but many people (especially children) with ASD would care more about the achievement itself than the skills required to earn them, i.e. this child probably didn't care about being skilled and earning virtual trophies, and just had an overpowering urge to have the full set, regardless of the methods of obtainment
If you have to ask the question, then you don't understand the concept of a slow news day for a 24 hour news cycle. If you want more information, you can find it at Fark.comTim Latshaw said: