UPDATE: PS3 Hacker GeoHot Claims He's on Vacation

[Rayansaki]

Stewart Kellar, Hotz's attorney, has responded saying the missing hard drive parts have now been delivered.

"The 'integral components' SCEA is talking about are stock controller cards, not the hard drives themselves," Kellar told IGN in an e-mail. "The neutral subsequently had to explain to SCEA the form and function of hard drive controller cards. Those controller cards have since been provided to the neutral so the point is moot."

Anyone else see a problem with the fact that Sony Computer Entertainment America had to be explained (possibly using small words and v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y) the form and function of a fucking hard drive controller card?

What with the meme usage ITT I expect to see a lot of people editing their posts to read HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS

Edit: Cool, while I was posting this, the article title got changed to something a little more reasonable. Still implies that he's fleeing with the use of the word "claims" but it's an improvement. How about "Further developments in the Sony v. Geohot case"?

Well as long as he stays in SA the term "claims" is appropriate because he hasn't returned yet so he could still be on the run. Also from the original post you deduce that he didn't warn the court or Sony's legal team that he would be leaving the country.

Also, they explained the "controller card" term to Sony's legal team, not their tech team.

So much hatred for Sony in this thread... I want Sony to lose this case, but not for Geohot's sake because all he's shown is that he is an immature clown; I want them to lose just so it doesn't set a precedent for future jailbreaking cases.

 

[WaderiAAA]

So I guess he didn't flee the country after all. Looks like the news move faster than the facts.

 

[Calderon0311]

So I guess he didn't flee the country after all. Looks like the news move faster than the facts.

Quoting for Truthyness

 

[spacewalker]

I really have a hard time believing people when they say "consumer rights" when most of the hacked PS3's will most likely be used to pirate

I think the consumer rights argument goes, if you buy someting, it is yours, and the ones you bougth it from should have no say in how it should be used.
im not shure if there are contracts involved.

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

Well as long as he stays in SA the term "claims" is appropriate because he hasn't returned yet so he could still be on the run. Also from the original post you deduce that he didn't warn the court or Sony's legal team that he would be leaving the country.

Also, they explained the "controller card" term to Sony's legal team, not their tech team.

So much hatred for Sony in this thread... I want Sony to lose this case, but not for Geohot's sake because all he's shown is that he is an immature clown; I want them to lose just so it doesn't set a precedent for future jailbreaking cases.

Eh. Still seems a little weasel-wordy, but I can see the need to balance facts + sensationalism for eyeball grabbing. Certainly got us in here.

Re: "controller card", you'd have thought that Sony's legal team could, say, walk down the hall and ask the tech team what's up. Implying that GeoHot is destroying/withholding evidence is a pretty big thing to be waving around, and they'll lose credibility for saying so when it wasn't the case.

And I'll agree that we could use a better poster-boy for the jailbreak. Still rooting for his side though.

 

[CatinHat]

So I assume the restaurants, drinks and taxis were paid for in November as well? He is spending money that he should be using to pay for his defense bill, instead of having his supporters pay for them.

Logic is not your thing is it?

Who in their right mind would pay for a trip only to have no money once you got there? "Most" people when planning their trip would save some money to have a little spending money. If you only had money for a plane trip, I doubt you would book that trip.

Or maybe once you got there, try and get free hand outs or live under a bridge.

 

[Snooder]

What? Your analogy has nothing to do with the argument because I doubt you can get sued for creating a rival company. He knew he was gonna piss Sony of when he released the root key, everyone knows that, because how legal or illegal his actions are are still up to be decided. Creating a company is very legal. He knew that he could get sued, and when he did, he begged for money from his supporters, now that the legal bills are paid, he is having fun in some distant land, instead of using what little money he may be using to help pay for HIS bills. Souvenirs and cocktails are very different than paying the mortgage and buying groceries.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/09/telco-to-town-were-suing-you-because-we-care.ars
Actually, you can indeed get sued for creating a rival company. See the link above. Has happened multiple times in the past and I picked ISPs specifically because I knew of cases where large companies sue much smaller defendants to try to stifle competition. And I'm sure there are other examples out there.

I just personally don't see how a small vacation paid for with his own money has any relation to a long, costly legal battle that requires tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you personally don't like it and think he should pay for entire thing himself, or at least go bankrupt trying to before he gets someone else to pony up cash, then don't donate, which you stated you didn't.

It's not unethical or inappropriate for him to spend his own money in the way he wants to, as long as he isn't taking other people's money and misappropriating it for other purposes. Which he isn't.

 

[TheGuiggleMonster]

I just find it ridiculous that the USA know he's "in South America" when South America is such a huge place with so many different countries and they can't even specify which country he's in.

 

[TheGuiggleMonster]

Ok, so by that logic, if he's living in a house right now (probably not, but bear with me) he should sell it and use all that money on legal fees? Or if he has a car, he should sell that too? Maybe the money he was planning to spend on tuition and living expenses next year should go to his defense of a suit that he didn't plan on or initiate?

Yes, he absolutely should, he knew the implications of pissing of a major corporation with a team of lawyers in their pay roll. Using your supporters to pay for you legal fees while you are out having fun is very effed up. If he's willing to beg for money, then he should put some of his own in the pot.

Ok. Think about what you just wrote.

If I decide to switch from Comcast to AT&T, or god help me, create a new competing internet company, I'll be pissing off a major corporation with a team of lawyers on their payroll. Doesn't matter that I'm perfectly in the right to do whatever I plan to do, they're going to sue because it threatens their bottom line. However, unless I'm a similarly large corporation, I can't defend that suit on my own. Even if I win, I'll be tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole. This means I won't bother trying to do anything because the costs of defending the inevitable suit are greater than I can personally bear.

Do you see how that scenario is a bad one? Do you see how forcing individuals to ruin themselves to defend possibly bad suits from corporations makes the country as a whole worse?

What? Your analogy has nothing to do with the argument because I doubt you can get sued for creating a rival company. He knew he was gonna piss Sony of when he released the root key, everyone knows that, because how legal or illegal his actions are are still up to be decided. Creating a company is very legal. He knew that he could get sued, and when he did, he begged for money from his supporters, now that the legal bills are paid, he is having fun in some distant land, instead of using what little money he may be using to help pay for HIS bills. Souvenirs and cocktails are very different than paying the mortgage and buying groceries.

... The easier way to end your debate would be to ask his supportors/donators if they care about his abrubt holiday.

 

[ImprovizoR]

I really have a hard time believing people when they say "consumer rights" when most of the hacked PS3's will most likely be used to pirate

If I had a PS3 it would probably be hacked because I prefer not having the disc in the drive all the time. I would keep my games safe and the PS3 laser would last longer. I would only play my own backed up games from the external hard drive. If people want to pirate games then game developers should go after those pirates. This crusade of Sony's is getting ridiculous. They're just trying to control your own purchase.

 

[Rayne870]

This is a bit better. Hopefully things go well for him, but he really should be careful not to be giving ammunition to the guys that are aiming for his head.

 

[Snooder]

I really have a hard time believing people when they say "consumer rights" when most of the hacked PS3's will most likely be used to pirate

You don't need custom firmware to pirate games on PS3. There are plenty of avenues to that already. The purpose of hacking the PS3 right now is to do things like running linux, or installing homebrew, or running an emulator like DOSBox, or having a decent browser.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

HA HA!

I thought sony was just trying to throw dirt on him in the first place!

Sony is just downright despicable.

 

[michael87cn]

[/quote]Bullshit. Just because he takes a vacation to South America, he must be into piracy. What kind of birdbrain logic is that? Do you do crystal ball readings?[/quote]

First of all, he's a kid. He doesn't need a vacation. The fact that he could AFFORD a vacation at his age shows wealth.

Like someone else said, he should get a loan to defend himself, after all we're talking about something that HE did. He CHOSE to do something he knew could get him in a heap of trouble. If anything, that's birdbrain logic.

Besides, if you have that kind of wealth you have no business begging for help. I'm SURPRISED people will support some rich kid that wants to hack his playstation but they laugh at the idea of helping homeless people and say things like "get a job".

The "birdbrain logic" is that humans are freaking retarded sometimes. Gosh damn.

Edit: and yeah, it's clear that if he begs for donations and then goes out and takes a vacation he's not exactly a stand up-honest fellow that wants to liberate the masses with free rootkeys. Hes a pirate that wants to encourage pirating so that it becomes easier for himself to perform.

What a joke.

 

[jayzz911]

Bullshit. Just because he takes a vacation to South America, he must be into piracy. What kind of birdbrain logic is that? Do you do crystal ball readings?[/quote]

First of all, he's a kid. He doesn't need a vacation. The fact that he could AFFORD a vacation at his age shows wealth.

Like someone else said, he should get a loan to defend himself, after all we're talking about something that HE did. He CHOSE to do something he knew could get him in a heap of trouble. If anything, that's birdbrain logic.

Besides, if you have that kind of wealth you have no business begging for help. I'm SURPRISED people will support some rich kid that wants to hack his playstation but they laugh at the idea of helping homeless people and say things like "get a job".

The "birdbrain logic" is that humans are freaking retarded sometimes. Gosh damn.[/quote]

? My family barely gets by but I myself had a job (yup i still live with my family) and saved some money from that. It cost me about 350 euro's so because I went on vacation with my friends.(I was 17) at that i age i must be wealthy enough to pay for a lawsuit that is going to cost at least $10000? Please think at how much both will cost. And wether being able to pay for a vacation means yours able to pay for a lawsuit.