UPDATE: PS3 Hacker GeoHot Claims He's on Vacation
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Hmm. I would have to say that the innocent do run, in the face of insurmountable odds.
Further, the emerging particulars of this 'case' should not detract from the underlying issue - the right to do whatever you want with your own property.
Piracy arguments do not apply, the person commmiting the piracy should be liable. If not, prosecute every automobile, gun and cutlerly manufacturer, as their products are directly used in the vast majority of murders - somewhat a greater crime than whatever sony presents as the infraction this case is about.
Finally, the loss of 'other os' is a pain if you want to both use linux AND the psn network on the black box you bought - all such owners dont have to be supercomputing centres taking the cheap option.
Further, the emerging particulars of this 'case' should not detract from the underlying issue - the right to do whatever you want with your own property.
Piracy arguments do not apply, the person commmiting the piracy should be liable. If not, prosecute every automobile, gun and cutlerly manufacturer, as their products are directly used in the vast majority of murders - somewhat a greater crime than whatever sony presents as the infraction this case is about.
Finally, the loss of 'other os' is a pain if you want to both use linux AND the psn network on the black box you bought - all such owners dont have to be supercomputing centres taking the cheap option.
So color me silly but was there ever a time where you could by something and someone else couldn't uncover every ounce of information about that purchase?
Super creepy.
Super creepy.
Well its looks like this will be another case where the rights of American citizens will take a back seat to the rights of a corporation. With the way that things have been going in the US it seemed like Geohot would in all liklihood have still lost.
It is a sad day indeed. Government bailing out corporations that failed, Government forcably stealing the right to collective bargaining to suit its own end, and now this. I am absolutely ashamed. Not of the government, or the corporations, but of the individuals who allowed it to get this way for making uneducated decisions and ignoring the problems when they had a chance to do something about it.
OT: While Geohot might have made a false statement that he had a PSN account thing of it is, just because he had a PSN account does not mean that the seized PS3 in question had been altered. Which that is logical. In any sort of experiment you need a control group. If you need to work around limitations imposed that should not be there you need a case example of the problematic software and code. If the PSN account enabled PS3 has not been altered, then Sony still doesnt have a leg to stand on. However given that hes on vacation in South America right now and had to ask for donations for legal defense it seems fairly probable that the PS3 in question is in deed altered.
Honestly, we as individual American citizens have all been damaged by this. If sony wins this and it seems likely they will now, It is the first stepping stone of removing ownership rights. Slow advances will be made taking further ownership rights away from individuals. Hell, in 20-50 years we could be looking at a situation where someone buys a new car, and within six months is involved in a traffic accident that they were at fault and then the manufacturer decides to sue the owner for wanton destruction of property. You might think its an overexaggeration, but this IS how such things happen.
It is a sad day indeed. Government bailing out corporations that failed, Government forcably stealing the right to collective bargaining to suit its own end, and now this. I am absolutely ashamed. Not of the government, or the corporations, but of the individuals who allowed it to get this way for making uneducated decisions and ignoring the problems when they had a chance to do something about it.
OT: While Geohot might have made a false statement that he had a PSN account thing of it is, just because he had a PSN account does not mean that the seized PS3 in question had been altered. Which that is logical. In any sort of experiment you need a control group. If you need to work around limitations imposed that should not be there you need a case example of the problematic software and code. If the PSN account enabled PS3 has not been altered, then Sony still doesnt have a leg to stand on. However given that hes on vacation in South America right now and had to ask for donations for legal defense it seems fairly probable that the PS3 in question is in deed altered.
Honestly, we as individual American citizens have all been damaged by this. If sony wins this and it seems likely they will now, It is the first stepping stone of removing ownership rights. Slow advances will be made taking further ownership rights away from individuals. Hell, in 20-50 years we could be looking at a situation where someone buys a new car, and within six months is involved in a traffic accident that they were at fault and then the manufacturer decides to sue the owner for wanton destruction of property. You might think its an overexaggeration, but this IS how such things happen.
I was for Sony the whole time. I found it really weird how pissed people were. I think people thought Sony was mad because they were DOING THINGS to their playstations, like they dont want people touching it the wrong way.
It took this long for Valve and Bungie to make playstation games. You think theyll go out of their way to make a game...just so people can play it on their modded playstations for free? Developers will stay away like playstation has the plague, i believe.
But oh well, were almost in the next generation, right? I got me some Twisted Metal and Portal 2, i should be fine for a while....
It took this long for Valve and Bungie to make playstation games. You think theyll go out of their way to make a game...just so people can play it on their modded playstations for free? Developers will stay away like playstation has the plague, i believe.
But oh well, were almost in the next generation, right? I got me some Twisted Metal and Portal 2, i should be fine for a while....
TheSkaAssassin said:
The point of this article is that he's not a gamer he's a cock. I think he's a cock because he took advantage of people like you who believed Sony was wrong and that the case should go to court and be won.
But because of this he won't ever win, people won't listen and things won't change because he acted like a criminal. and that's what people will remember after all this.
i was starting to believe that sony where just being the stereotypical corporate bad guys, and then he does this? kinda hard not to see him as guilty now, especially after having funds donated to him to help him fight in court
Wow, what a bastard. He should us how to unlock our machines. You know, the ones we OWN, that we BOUGHT, that was advertised to do one thing (Hey, you can install your own OS on the PS3. Haha, gottcha, now you can't!). Screw Sony for this crap. I'm glad someone hacked the machine. I'm not saying he doesn't look like a D-Bag now, but Sony can suck it as well.
the man is GUILTY! XD
well sucks to all of you that donated to his cause. Now that he has taken that money and fled the country. lolz
well sucks to all of you that donated to his cause. Now that he has taken that money and fled the country. lolz
Go Sony Go? Seriously?Mazty said:
I supported Geohotz up until this dumb and selfish as fuck move, now I think he's an ass.
But for most supporters it's not really about Geohotz winning, it's about Sony losing
Did you hear they demanded the IP addresses and names of everyone who has watched one of Geohotz's videos? How fucking insane is that, it's like 10 right's violations in one action, not to mention the implications of being allowed to grab that data on people in all different countries and jurisdictions. Sony has gone bat shit crazy and insanely overstepped their authority, and they need to be punished for it.
So, in short, fuck Geohotz, but certainly not "go Sony go"
Um guys, if you actually read the article and the court documents it's not quite that clear-cut.
This whole phase of the argument isn't even about the merits of the case, it's all a fight over jurisdiction and venue, basically where the trial will be held. Basically, Sony is trying to get the guy in a California court and he's resisting that. All the delaying and refusing to comply with depositions are just delaying tactics that are fairly common in practice. Although usually it's the large corporation doing it, but whatever.
And it's not like Hotz is under arrest. It's perfectly legal for him to take a vacation or see his family or go anywhere he wants. The only reason him being out of the country is even brought up in the pleading is because after he left, Sony asked for more shit and his lawyer said he couldn't do it right away because he wasn't in the country. This happened last Thursday btw, so it's not like he's been missing for months either. There's no reason for him to just "flee" because if he does, he automatically loses the case. Even if he's a jerk, might as well wait until after trial to do something that stupid.
Basically what it comes down to is a hissyfit by the lawyers over minor and relatively inconsequential issues while the client took a vacation. These things are common in the adversarial system that is the American legal system. Just watch for two days from now when Hotz lawyers respond with "Oh yeah, we totally complied, SCEA are just being jerks."
This whole phase of the argument isn't even about the merits of the case, it's all a fight over jurisdiction and venue, basically where the trial will be held. Basically, Sony is trying to get the guy in a California court and he's resisting that. All the delaying and refusing to comply with depositions are just delaying tactics that are fairly common in practice. Although usually it's the large corporation doing it, but whatever.
And it's not like Hotz is under arrest. It's perfectly legal for him to take a vacation or see his family or go anywhere he wants. The only reason him being out of the country is even brought up in the pleading is because after he left, Sony asked for more shit and his lawyer said he couldn't do it right away because he wasn't in the country. This happened last Thursday btw, so it's not like he's been missing for months either. There's no reason for him to just "flee" because if he does, he automatically loses the case. Even if he's a jerk, might as well wait until after trial to do something that stupid.
Basically what it comes down to is a hissyfit by the lawyers over minor and relatively inconsequential issues while the client took a vacation. These things are common in the adversarial system that is the American legal system. Just watch for two days from now when Hotz lawyers respond with "Oh yeah, we totally complied, SCEA are just being jerks."
Why? Because you want to be able to pirate PS3 games? You'll probably argue against this the same way you did against the article. Two whole paragraphs of nothing really.mjc0961 said:
If Sony or the courts seriously move to have him brought back to the US, that's when I'll be convinced for sure that money buys justice.
Of all the criminals who've up and fled justice over the years, Geohot is such a minor felony at best, he should be way down the list of caring. If I was a cop, Geohot would be just behind making sure we increase the choc creme numbers in our daily donut delivery, not an international incident.
To me, this is a both sides lose case,Geohot's being a dick, but so are Sony, and would it have come to this, would Geo have even bothered to hack it if Sony hadn't been removing advertised features in the first place?
Say I cut a big lump out of my new PS3, and decide I'm going to wear it as a hat, I'm not using it in an authorised way, surely I'm equally guilty and deserve an orange jumpsuit too.
I'm just not convinced that piracy is as big a deal as the corps make it out to be, and I'm edging closer to the idea it's partly being used as an excuse to get legal backup to get more rights for them and less for the consumers.
I say that knowing quite a few gamers and knowing NO-one with a hacked console, and coming from a time when everyone I knew was trading spectrum games on tapes and Amiga stuff on floppy disks at school, 20 years ago. Everyone I know who was an avid pirate at school, now has disposable income and much prefers to buy the stuff they love, now they can!
Of all the criminals who've up and fled justice over the years, Geohot is such a minor felony at best, he should be way down the list of caring. If I was a cop, Geohot would be just behind making sure we increase the choc creme numbers in our daily donut delivery, not an international incident.
To me, this is a both sides lose case,Geohot's being a dick, but so are Sony, and would it have come to this, would Geo have even bothered to hack it if Sony hadn't been removing advertised features in the first place?
Say I cut a big lump out of my new PS3, and decide I'm going to wear it as a hat, I'm not using it in an authorised way, surely I'm equally guilty and deserve an orange jumpsuit too.
I'm just not convinced that piracy is as big a deal as the corps make it out to be, and I'm edging closer to the idea it's partly being used as an excuse to get legal backup to get more rights for them and less for the consumers.
I say that knowing quite a few gamers and knowing NO-one with a hacked console, and coming from a time when everyone I knew was trading spectrum games on tapes and Amiga stuff on floppy disks at school, 20 years ago. Everyone I know who was an avid pirate at school, now has disposable income and much prefers to buy the stuff they love, now they can!
Lol there goes our young hero... Go Douche, go!
Funny here is that many of you assume he used the donation money to flee... Who knows really?
I thought he was a douchy dick in his video of "if you don't want to get royally screwed in the future, hire me" but now... I'm glad he just proved it.
Oh and the whole debacle thing about Sony being mad about people playing Linux on their PS3s... True, its one of the main reasons things like this happened, but the legal battle isn't really about that... It's because GeoHotz took it to himself to post the root key of the PS3 online... Which is, in fact, an intellectual property owned by Sony.
Funny here is that many of you assume he used the donation money to flee... Who knows really?
I thought he was a douchy dick in his video of "if you don't want to get royally screwed in the future, hire me" but now... I'm glad he just proved it.
Oh and the whole debacle thing about Sony being mad about people playing Linux on their PS3s... True, its one of the main reasons things like this happened, but the legal battle isn't really about that... It's because GeoHotz took it to himself to post the root key of the PS3 online... Which is, in fact, an intellectual property owned by Sony.