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You're either dense or fucking with us.



FADEL: More than a hundred examples - who exactly is he targeting?

DREISBACH: Well, at the top of the list are his political opponents. He says if he wins, on Day 1, he will appoint a special prosecutor to investigate President Joe Biden and Biden's family. He says Vice President Kamala Harris should be prosecuted. He's reposted calls for former President Barack Obama, former Congresswoman Liz Cheney to face military tribunals. And then he's also pushed for prosecutions and arrests of people involved in the criminal and civil cases against him - prosecutors, judges, even a courthouse staffer. And in one case, he floated the idea of prosecuting a member of the Georgia grand jury that indicted him for election interference.

FADEL: OK, so this goes well beyond just politicians, including private citizens, like this juror you just described, but also journalists. What has Trump said about them?

DREISBACH: Well, he said journalists who refuse to give up their sources should go to jail. He says CBS and NBC should be investigated and lose their broadcast licenses because he didn't like their news coverage. He's also attacked people who criticize or protest the Supreme Court. This is from a rally this September.

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DONALD TRUMP: These people should be put in jail. The way they talk about our judges and our justices, trying to get them to sway their vote.
I asked when did he DO that, not if/when he said that. So last time when he said to "lock her up", he went and prosecuted Hillary Clinton? Or did I miss when that actually happened?
 
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The problem with this is that a lot of people who Trump has managed to get on his side to support him themselves tend to be not great people. For example, Tony Hinchcliffe and his rather infamous at this point "floating island of garbage" joke that got attributed to Trump. Is that fair? No, it isn't. But when you keep surrounding yourself with people who make comments like that, or "jokes" like that, people start noticing a common thread in what you seem to be OK with. It's also not like Trump himself is innocent of saying at the very least misguided things in the past. You act like everything is a witch hunt against Trump because of him being Republican...when he's also to date the only convicted felon to become President. That's not exactly a minor detail.
Trump’s campaign was pretty stupid to put a roaster in his rally lineup. If anything maybe it’ll help the very real issue gain exposure so something can be done about it.


No explanation needed for why the ruling class routinely goes unpunished, which could also apply to Trump at this point. The difference being like you said, he was convicted, even though Smith also has a pretty questionable track record of his own.


Regardless of sides, the bottom line is there needs to be a leveling of the playing field, where no amount of connections can protect anyone from whatever comeuppance they deserve.

Anyways,

 

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Hey, man, stop trolling, dude.
sarcasm, btw

I'll echo Steven 'Destiny' Bonnell's thoughts on the matter. It boils down to vibes about the economy.
I only just learnt what Destiny's name is in the last month and was confused all year when they said, 'Steven Bonnell said x'. I was thinking who cares about what some random Steve is thinking? But it was just Destiny
 

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Drain the swamp wasn't Trump saying to burn everything down, it's a political saying that's like 50 years old that doesn't mean that in the slightest. Why do you guys have to make shit up that Trump says? He says plenty on his own that you don't have to make up. What is your obsession with this guy?
Please, are you going to tell us that Trump hasn't sold himself as anti-government? Anti establishment?An outsider?

I've been listening non-MAGA people who voted for Trump for the last couple of months. This is what I can sum up:

Both sides are bad. Especially on economics for the worker. Vote for Trump because he's a criminal and will break it. It can't be worse than what is happening now

Burning things is just taken from them

Edit: I forgot
Do you know what happens if you drain a swamp? It's no longer a swamp. They don't actually care about it being hot and burning. They want it gone
 
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Very interesting.
A departure from the politics of those two may not be a good thing, but sticking with them would certainly be a bad thing.

I only just learnt what Destiny's name is in the last month and was confused all year when they said, 'Steven Bonnell said x'. I was thinking who cares about what some random Steve is thinking? But it was just Destiny
Which then raises the question again: who cares about what some random Steve is thinking?
 
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It's a shame Epstein "killed himself"; I'm sure he would've been a popular pick for the Republican nomination. But I'll look forward to seeing Diddy win the election in about 20 years or so.
 

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Arizona called for Trump. That's all 7 battleground states. Trump 312 - Kamala 226.

Here's what I don't get. In 2020 Biden got 81M votes and Trump 74M. In 2024, Trump gets basically the same number (he went up 400k) and Kamala gets... 70M.

(Third parties got even less votes this election btw - from 2.8M in 2020 to >2M in 2024).

So there're 10 million Democratic voters from 2020 who simply didn't show up. And Kamala did worse than Biden with literally every demographic - white, black, latino, etc. Couldn't outperform him anywhere, per CNN on election night.

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Now I'm willing to believe that good ole murican sexism and racism played a part here, even though a black man won twice and a woman did get most votes one time.

... but 10 million less voters though? Trump gets the same turnout but 10 million democrats dgaf anymore?
 
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Arizona called for Trump. That's all 7 battleground states. Trump 312 - Kamala 226.

Here's what I don't get. In 2020 Biden got 81M votes and Trump 74M. In 2024, Trump gets basically the same number (he went up 400k) and Kamala gets... 70M.

(Third parties got even less votes this election btw - from 2.8M in 2020 to >2M in 2024).

So there're 10 million Democratic voters from 2020 who simply didn't show up. And Kamala did worse than Biden with literally every demographic - white, black, latino, etc. Couldn't outperform him anywhere, per CNN on election night.

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Now I'm willing to believe that good ole murican sexism and racism played a part here, even though a black man won twice and a woman did get most votes one time.

... but 10 million less voters though? Trump gets the same turnout but 10 million democrats dgaf anymore?
Pandemic and mail-in participation probably were the biggest factors.


Numbers analysis -


Looks like Harris had far less of the women/minority vote than Clinton or Biden, but yeah. They didn't all just jump ship to Trump.
 

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Arizona called for Trump. That's all 7 battleground states. Trump 312 - Kamala 226.

Here's what I don't get. In 2020 Biden got 81M votes and Trump 74M. In 2024, Trump gets basically the same number (he went up 400k) and Kamala gets... 70M.

(Third parties got even less votes this election btw - from 2.8M in 2020 to >2M in 2024).

So there're 10 million Democratic voters from 2020 who simply didn't show up. And Kamala did worse than Biden with literally every demographic - white, black, latino, etc. Couldn't outperform him anywhere, per CNN on election night.

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Now I'm willing to believe that good ole murican sexism and racism played a part here, even though a black man won twice and a woman did get most votes one time.

... but 10 million less voters though? Trump gets the same turnout but 10 million democrats dgaf anymore?
The genocide thing probably didn't help. Not being as evil isn't as big a vote winner anymore, it seems.
 

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Arizona called for Trump. That's all 7 battleground states. Trump 312 - Kamala 226.

Here's what I don't get. In 2020 Biden got 81M votes and Trump 74M. In 2024, Trump gets basically the same number (he went up 400k) and Kamala gets... 70M.

(Third parties got even less votes this election btw - from 2.8M in 2020 to >2M in 2024).

So there're 10 million Democratic voters from 2020 who simply didn't show up. And Kamala did worse than Biden with literally every demographic - white, black, latino, etc. Couldn't outperform him anywhere, per CNN on election night.

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Now I'm willing to believe that good ole murican sexism and racism played a part here, even though a black man won twice and a woman did get most votes one time.

... but 10 million less voters though? Trump gets the same turnout but 10 million democrats dgaf anymore?
Halloween was over. The Necromancy stopped working (sorry couldn't resist that one) I don't believe the previous election was stolen but the joke was too good to not make.
 

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The genocide thing probably didn't help. Not being as evil isn't as big a vote winner anymore, it seems.
Man, if only hundreds of thousands of voters tried to warn them about this during the primary! Maybe they could have written like..."I have no commitment towards the current party due to their actions in funding a genocide" or something like that.

But I guess that's why they say Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have possibly predicted this.
 
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But I guess that's why they say Hindsight is 20/20.
You're optimistic that they've learn because of this.

Though, to expand on the above, as well as that, the Democrats aren't promising any of the radical change that it's increasingly obvious the US/world needs. More or the same, maybe slightly better if that, isn't enough. Obama got in by promising hope and chance, Biden got in by promising to be better than Trump, Harris promised more or the same. Which is better than Trump and it would be better for the US/world if she won, but isn't enough.
 

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You're optimistic that they've learn because of this.

Though, to expand on the above, as well as that, the Democrats aren't promising any of the radical change that it's increasingly obvious the US/world needs. More or the same, maybe slightly better if that, isn't enough. Obama got in by promising hope and chance, Biden got in by promising to be better than Trump, Harris promised more or the same. Which is better than Trump and it would be better for the US/world if she won, but isn't enough.
Oh I have negative optimism that these old farts are gonna learn a thing. They're already doubling down on how voters failed them, they didn't fail voters and that clearly the only reason Harris got her teeth kicked in is she's a black woman. Her campaign was "perfect" so they just do the same thing next time but maybe with Walz or another old white guy as the head cheese instead.

The Democrats are literally the Skinner Meme.

"Am I so out of touch??? No, it's the voters who are wrong..."
 

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The genocide thing probably didn't help. Not being as evil isn't as big a vote winner anymore, it seems.
I do love me some grousing about the genocide and how Democrats kill children for profit, but while it definitely cost them votes, the biggest drag on them according to exit polls was the economy.

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For added comedy though, the centerpiece of Harris' campaign was about how much of a threat to democracy Trump was.

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I do love me some grousing about the genocide and how Democrats kill children for profit, but while it definitely cost them votes, the biggest drag on them according to exit polls was the economy.

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For added comedy though, the centerpiece of Harris' campaign was about how much of a threat to democracy Trump was.

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I'm also guessing that touting about how great everything actually is with our economy and all you poors are just too stupid to realize it didn't help very much...
 
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