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Agema

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So here is the plan. Harris cannot run for President at is stands right now, because there isn't enough time to process her nomination and put all the pieces together to make her official.
I'm pretty sure that were that true, it would be all over every news outlet. And Biden would still be running, because the Democrats are better with a crocked candidate than no candidate.

More strictly, I think the issue might be whether Harris can run as the official Democratic candidate on the ballots. That might face legal challenges. Even then, I think the only state where the deadline is very soon is Ohio, and that's now a safe Republican hold so even were Harris excluded, it wouldn't much matter.
 

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It's hard to believe he knew nothing about a detailed policy plan by a group that he gave a speech before talking about how they were going to create a detailed policy plan the same month they officially started working on writing up and publishing said detailed policy plan.
It's actually quite easy to believe: they told him they were putting together a detailed policy plan for 2025, he knew they would applaud him for acknowledging that, he said the thing that got him applause. He doesn't have to know any of what they actually wanted to do, he just says the things that get applause.
 

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Well he didn't resign. That's shocking to me because I really felt that Harris would have a better chance if she took over for the next six months. Oh well, I guess we're in for a weird ride.
 
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The secret service have messed up a lot of time, remember the shoe throw at Bush?
how do you propose the secret service prevent someone at a press gathering from taking their shoe off and throwing it short of making everyone go barefoot?
 
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Well he didn't resign. That's shocking to me because I really felt that Harris would have a better chance if she took over for the next six months. Oh well, I guess we're in for a weird ride.
Well. As I previously stated elsewhere, sometimes one of the issues of cognitive decline is that people experiencing it can be unaware of how badly it is affecting them, so there is an extent to which Biden may have not realised how much his performace was degraded. He may think he may have had a bad day, but it'll be better next time... even as the bad days mount up and up. He may still believe he has what it takes.

Another potential issue is ego. I don't think many people get to high station without a lot of it, and Biden will be no exception. He very likely decided to run in part because he likes being president and wants to be president. He may have been forced to concede being the 2024 candidate, but he's not going to want to also surrender the crown before his term is finished.

Biden staying on may have some advantage by partially protecting Harris in case of negative political events, and also freeing her from duties that may distract from campaigning. Stepping up to a new job involves not just the work itself, but additional effort learning the ropes. That's far from ideal to take on right at the same time as a massive election campaign.
 
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I'm pretty surprised the paper actually states to ban pornography, but like Critical said that would never happen, 1st amendment and all. It doesn't say anything about being trans in public though. There's been so many things posted about Project 2025 that are just not in the paper. Plus, like I said why is everyone so concerned about it when they've been publishing the same thing for over 40 years? If this was some thing to be fearful about, it would've happened already.
 

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I'm pretty surprised the paper actually states to ban pornography, but like Critical said that would never happen, 1st amendment and all.
From the paper itself:
Mandate for leadership page 38 of the PDF said said:
Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.
 

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From the paper itself:
" Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. "
Well that just isn't totally true. I don't think filming sex between two adults has any grounds to classify as child predation. While porn can be exploitative of the people who "act" in the films, the same can be said about a lot of other industries as well. In fact it would appear to me that this statement applies to Hollywood way more than it applies to the porn industry.

We've heard a ton of stories about Hollywood types caught in sexual abuse scandals, and child predation. One only needs to look at Harvey Weinstein and Dan Schnieder as proof of that. Off the top of my head I can't recall any porn company, or porn producing person involved in any such scandals.

That being said, porn aint going anywhere.
 
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That being said, porn aint going anywhere.
Because efforts to limit its spread will be stopped by the courts, because that point will not actual be attempted as policy/law or because if implemented there will still be illegal channels that are too numerous for the US government to stop? (or some other version of "not going anywhere")
 

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Well it was fun for a few days thinking about voting for her but I should have known she'd be just as balls deep for Israel as half the other ghouls in charge of this country.
 

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Because efforts to limit its spread will be stopped by the courts, because that point will not actual be attempted as policy/law or because if implemented there will still be illegal channels that are too numerous for the US government to stop? (or some other version of "not going anywhere")
Just because someone says something has no claim to the 1st amendment doesn't make it true. Where's the case/challenge to the say gay marriage that was fear mongered to happen after Roe? Are you legitimately concerned that republicans are gonna ban porn?
 

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Just because someone says something has no claim to the 1st amendment doesn't make it true.
Obscenity laws exist. They can be strengthened.
Where's the case/challenge to the say gay marriage that was fear mongered to happen after Roe?
I don't keep up with all the court cases in the US. There was also fear mongering that Roe v. Wade might be overturned, and won't you know it, it was.
Are you legitimately concerned that republicans are gonna ban porn?
My greater concern is that they'll expand what constitutes porn, as outlined in the agenda. This in turn forcing a vague enough wording in legislation that people won't know if they legally can publish it, and therefore won't. And as I have already pointed out: they literally have brought it up on their agenda.
 

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Because efforts to limit its spread will be stopped by the courts, because that point will not actual be attempted as policy/law or because if implemented there will still be illegal channels that are too numerous for the US government to stop? (or some other version of "not going anywhere")
Sex has been the oldest profession. So long as people are willing to pay to fuck each other and watch people fuck each other, there will be porn. It is too big of a business to be banned, and so many production companies would sue the US and a violation against the freedom of doing business it'll never go through. Remember porn companies aren't just porn makers, but they make toys, run casinos, run industries all over the country, there is far too much money behind it for it to ever be allowed to be banned.
 

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Are you legitimately concerned that republicans are gonna ban porn?
I'm concerned for the people who'll end up working in a completely unregulated industry.

In addition, if you ban porn you have to ensure that people don't consume it, how to achieve that? More surveillance and intrusions into the private life of average citizens, hooray.
 

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And Biden would still be running, because the Democrats are better with a crocked candidate than no candidate.
I mean, if that had to be the case, it seems like the very best campaign promise Biden could have made would be "If elected, I will resign at 12:05 PM on Jan 20, 2025."

I'm pretty surprised the paper actually states to ban pornography, but like Critical said that would never happen, 1st amendment and all.
They believe pornography "is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection." Probably under a view that pornography necessarily fails the Miller Test.

It doesn't say anything about being trans in public though.
From literally the first sentence of the quoted part: "Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology"

So, what is the propagation of transgender ideology, and is it within range that you could stretch it to being openly trans in public? What about if you work with children (or merely happen to be in their presence in public), would it require you to stay closeted around them to avoid propagating transgender ideology?

This is like the thing where Florida starts going on about LGBT people being pedophile groomers, then starts going on about starting the death penalty for pedophiles and then acts like people being upset at Florida wanting to put people to death for being LGBT is a big stretch or an admission that they are in fact pedophiles rather than just applying the transitive property - you say want to kill X, you keep claiming Y are X, perhaps you want to kill Y and need an excuse?

Off the top of my head I can't recall any porn company, or porn producing person involved in any such scandals.
Mercedes Carrerra(sp?) has been sitting in jail awaiting trial for 5 years, she might actually reach trial later this year. She was originally charged with drug charges, gun charges, and sexual abuse of a minor charges. The drug and gun charges have since been dropped (because they were wrong about the drugs and the guns were legal). She claimed at the time that it was a maneuver in a contentious custody fight with her ex. In recent months she's playing the born-again, seen the light now a good little Christian card, presumably as a move to improve her odds at trial, whenever that finally happens.

Porn star, in jail awaiting trial for sexual abuse of her daughter. Admittedly it's most noteworthy for how badly the notion of a speedy trial is being abused (she's been in jail close to as long as Kevin Mitnick was), and having bail set to an amount she cannot even hypothetically pay (which I think is technically against CA law?).

Well it was fun for a few days thinking about voting for her but I should have known she'd be just as balls deep for Israel as half the other ghouls in charge of this country.
Every serious presidential candidate is balls deep for Israel. They're our only real ally in the Middle East, so we're going to support them pretty much regardless of what they do, sort of trying to invade Western Europe. Also AIPAC is kind of a big lobby group, so follow the money.
 

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Porn star, in jail awaiting trial for sexual abuse of her daughter. Admittedly it's most noteworthy for how badly the notion of a speedy trial is being abused (she's been in jail close to as long as Kevin Mitnick was), and having bail set to an amount she cannot even hypothetically pay (which I think is technically against CA law?).
A porn star being a fucked up parent doesn't equate to a problem in the industry itself. Though there are plenty of issues that cause people to seek a living doing porn in and of itself, that much is obvious. Daddy issues is a pretty common slur amongst strippers and other sex workers. Mercedes Carrerra is much the same situation in which the porn industry itself has nothing to do with her assault on her child that was done by her under her own duress. She was a part Gamergate and funded Anita as it happens that's interesting.

That being said, I wont deny people in porn have problems, but I don't think they would be without these problems if the porn career hadn't been there. Being a bad person linked to the porn industry doesn't inheretly make the porn industry the cause of that problem.

Again porn isn't unique from any form of major entertainment in that aspect. They call it "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" for a reason.

The sex business has been around forever and no prudish government official pretending to be virtuous is ever going to get rid of it. And much like video games they wanna blame Porn for problems it really doesn't have anything to do with.
 
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Well it was fun for a few days thinking about voting for her but I should have known she'd be just as balls deep for Israel as half the other ghouls in charge of this country.
The older I have got, the more I realise that its institutions that make things happen, not individuals. The larger the institution, the harder it is to change it. The USA is an institution, and it's about as hard to change course as a battleship or oil tanker. It does, just extremely slowly, and possibly often just because old people die and get replaced by younger ones, so at the rate of generations.

There is no-one you can elect to the US presidency that won't back Israel, because there is absolutely no reason, at an institutional level, for them to do so. The money is not in opposing Israel, the political money is not in opposing Israel, the national military and intelligence benefits are not in opposing Israel. The last thing that could possibly make the difference is public opinion (i.e. votes), and Israel - whilst significantly less popular than it used to be and losing sympathy - is still comfortably ahead.

No-one is going to ride to the rescue of the Palestinians in the USA. The choice you get as a US voter is how much you want the president to rein in Israel's worst excesses, and the best favour you can do the Palestinians is trying to stop the guy more apt to think about Gaza as Israel's latest exciting beachfront property development prospect.
 
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Sex has been the oldest profession. So long as people are willing to pay to fuck each other and watch people fuck each other, there will be porn. It is too big of a business to be banned, and so many production companies would sue the US and a violation against the freedom of doing business it'll never go through. Remember porn companies aren't just porn makers, but they make toys, run casinos, run industries all over the country, there is far too much money behind it for it to ever be allowed to be banned.
2nd oldest profession. Someone had to beg for it first for the pro to realize it had worth to sell. So, begging is profession #1.

I'm with you. I'm super disappointed in last night's speech. What the heck was it even for? I hear Trump is demanding equal time.

I understand but disagree with @Agema : resigning and letting Harris take over would have so many positives. I think it mostly ego of Bidens and just a little more time for the family to make some of that sweet sweet influence peddling money. One legit benefit: If Harris took the gig now, I think that would count as her 1st term, allowing her only one more. As it is, maybe they believe she can get 2. In that time, I'd think they'd be able to get the USSC firmly on the left again.
 

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Off the top of my head I can't recall any porn company, or porn producing person involved in any such scandals.
My dude, Traci Lords. Technically she was "trafficking" herself (as much as the term can be applied), but on the other hand none of the people working with her were looking too close. Still had national fallout, due to how widespread her work was.

Ron Jeremy too, though most of it only came to public attention after Ginger Banks spoke out; before that, Jeremy's proclivities were merely open secret.

They're our only real ally in the Middle East, so we're going to support them pretty much regardless of what they do, sort of trying to invade Western Europe. Also AIPAC is kind of a big lobby group, so follow the money.
The casualties of the Liberty incident would beg to differ on whether or not Israel's an ally.
 
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