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That is a pretty low bar for a good attack on another country.
Compared to what Russia, and Israel have done and are still doing or even George W Bush did in the Iraq War I would say it meets the moral threshold and then some. Plus Maduro did rig the election, people are starving in one of the most the most resource rich countries in the world. The next US president even if they are a democrat is bounded to do sanctions at a bare minimum but those don't work. They are basically good at reducing a countrie's short term economic power but poor for regime chance, and they are a form of collective punishment. Which only should work if they collective are really against the US. China would be a example of a good reason(If they invade Taiwan) to do collective punishment since the regime is popular in my opinion Iran and Venezuela need sanctions that target say weapons shipments but not ones that target the population as a whole since both governments are highly unpopular.
 
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Compared to what Russia, and Israel have done and are still doing or even George W Bush did in the Iraq War I would say it meets the moral threshold and then some.
That's also an impressively low bar.


The next US president even if they are a democrat is bounded to do sanctions at a bare minimum but those don't work. They are basically good at reducing a countrie's short term economic power but poor for regime chance, and they are a form of collective punishment.
Agreed, that would only increase the hardships of the population, which is often the nominal reason to be unhappy with the country. But sending in people to blow infrastructure up in the country generally isn't going to help the local populace too much either.
 

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Happy coup anniversary day. Friendly reminder that due to the majority of Americans being disloyal to their own nation Trump got the chance to put all the disgusting traitors on the street rather than in jail where they and he belong.

And the idiots didn’t even get anything out of electing Trump
 
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Plus Maduro did rig the election, people are starving in one of the most the most resource rich countries in the world.
I think you'll find that sort of poverty is very common in resource rich countries.

That's often because of exploitation - by their own elites and richer ones that are the major users of the resources. If all exploiters need to do is pay a load of peasants to dig holes in the ground to make a fortune, then they're not much interested in wider human development (especially of peasants who don't dig valuable holes).

And just in case we were confused about this idea of Western exploitation, when Trump bragged to the media he plans to run Venezuela and take its oil [for lots of money], it wasn't Venezuelans he was appealing to.
 
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A woman was shot "three or four times" in the face by an ICE agent.

The DHS put out a statement arguing the woman had used her car to attack ICE agents, and that firing on her had saved their lives; however the incident is on camera (video available on the link above) and shows no clear danger to any officer.
 

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A woman was shot "three or four times" in the face by an ICE agent.

The DHS put out a statement arguing the woman had used her car to attack ICE agents, and that firing on her had saved their lives; however the incident is on camera (video available on the link above) and shows no clear danger to any officer.
The mayor is calling bullshit on Trump, The Agency, and the ICE Agent.

 

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A woman was shot "three or four times" in the face by an ICE agent.

The DHS put out a statement arguing the woman had used her car to attack ICE agents, and that firing on her had saved their lives; however the incident is on camera (video available on the link above) and shows no clear danger to any officer.

The woman was identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good by US Sen. Tina Smith, a Minnesota Democrat.

'Good had previously been married to Timmy Ray Macklin Jr., who died in 2023 at the age of 36. Macklin’s father, Timmy Ray Macklin Sr., was shocked to hear the news that Good had been shot and killed.
He said Good and his son had a child who is now 6 years old.
“There’s nobody else in his life,” Macklin said. “I’ll drive. I’ll fly. To come and get my grandchild.”'

Tragic and Horrble, thanks to the awful Bush Jr. Admin that acted to create ICE, and 2nd Trump Admin that empowered ICE.


Sadly I predict this org will continue even if the republicans lose in 2028. I doubt the democrats will actually ban ICE.
 

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A woman was shot "three or four times" in the face by an ICE agent.

The DHS put out a statement arguing the woman had used her car to attack ICE agents, and that firing on her had saved their lives; however the incident is on camera (video available on the link above) and shows no clear danger to any officer.
Lying never helps your case. I don't think this was a justified shooting at all, but "no clear danger" is an insane take when the man who fired had a car pointed at him and she was flooring it. You watch a video where he dodges backwards to avoid getting hit, and your take is "nah, no danger here", it makes you look completely unreasonable.

Edit: seriously, why can't anyone just be content to be right? The Reddit take right now is "she could have been any one of us". Like, what? That could have been anyone blockading law enforcement and attempting to flee arrest, like there's absolutely nothing specific about those circumstances that might prevent someone from living in terror that ICE will spontaneously shoot them on the street. Like, holy crap people.
 
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Lying never helps your case. I don't think this was a justified shooting at all, but "no clear danger" is an insane take when the man who fired had a car pointed at him and she was flooring it.
When he fires, the car is absolutely not "pointed at him"; he fires through the side window, not the windscreen. That wouldn't even be a possible shot if the car was pointed at him at the time.
 

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These ICE fuckers wouldn't even let EMS come through and do their job. Add accessory to murder for these fucks.

 

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I don't think this was a justified shooting at all...
Really? That seems an odd conclusion given you then appear to explain why it was a justified shooting and that she kind of deserved it.

but "no clear danger"
Maybe it would be more useful if you thought to discuss what Silvanus meant "clear danger", as this looks like getting pissy over semantics.

"Clear danger" from my quick reading does not appear to be a technical term. A more appropriate phrase which is likely equivalent could be "Immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person".

Contextually, from the DoJ:
  1. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.
As the ICE officer could and did successfully step out of the way of the vehicle, the most reasonable conclusion is that, yes, there was not imminent threat and therefore this is an unjustified killing. I see no reason that this interpretation shouldn't be considered a valid reading of what Silvanus meant by the term "no clear danger".

I'd also be quite interested to know where jurisdiction lies here, because if it's federal, I think the administration has made it clear that the officer will not be prosecuted.
 

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I'd also be quite interested to know where jurisdiction lies here, because if it's federal, I think the administration has made it clear that the officer will not be prosecuted.
They better pray that no one else finds the fucker, since that will, more than likely be the case.




 
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