Still doesn't excuse your anti-vax stance DeNiro, so you can fuck off for that as always. Otherwise, what took you so long to even do this?
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He didn't take so long. DeNiro has been vocally denouncing Trump for years.
What on earth do you think you're arguing here? This is about psychology.
Politics doesn't work on this sort of rule-based order: it's full of cheating fucks who lie, scheme and manipulate for all they're worth. The Republicans couldn't give a shit about being fair, logical and reasonable. They wouldn't appoint Obama's pick for SCOTUS on some made-up rule that it wasn't right to appoint a nominee when the president was shortly to leave office, but couldn't stick their own in fast enough in the same situation when it suited them. They refuse to appoint a Democrat to Congress to represent her constituents because they'll lose a vote, on some absurd confection about procedure that doesn't mean anything. For you to pretend the Democrats are being somehow unreasonable or unfair here is a nonsense. These rules you're trying to pretend mean something don't exist, and your current government only believes in its own power.
In the wider context, the Republicans have stuffed SCOTUS so it can rule their way for decades, are provoking and intimidating Democrat cities by packing in the military and masked thugs, threatening companies, universities, cities, paying no regard whatsoever to bipartisanship and generally making it clear that they have no democratic or moral responsibility whatsoever to govern with consideration for all the population that didn't vote for them, and indeed that the left are beyond contempt and indeed the enemy. Well, if you want to run a massively polarising government, expect to polarise your country. Every day that goes by much of the liberal/left are getting angrier and less willing to compromise.
So here the Democrats have decided to stand up and pick a fight. Arguably, they are "winning" it (in the sense that the Republicans are taking more blame for the shutdown). So for the Democrats to declare "job done time to give up and go home" is enraging for many leftists, because they've been radicalised and want to fight back.
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Never mind.I already double checked, and I forgot to edit that out.
I think it is even worse.
"No money for the federal gouvernment" can look promising when Trump misuses most of it. When the department of justice is busy percecuting Trumps enemies, ICE is everywhere and got a budget that dwarfs various real militaries, the real military is deployed to cities or busy blowing Venecuelan fishermen up, the department of health pushing regulations based on pseudoscience an actively tries to get in the way of the ability to get real medicine, the department of education is supposed to be closed anyway, the national parks are given over to commercial interests, the environmental agencies are forced to coal and fight against windpower ...
Yes, there is still federal funded social security despite DOGEs attempts to dismantle it. But the rest ? A gouvernment shutdown was more scary when people believed the gouvernment does something useful.
So, all of this is just completely unhinged ranting, that I can only assume means you can't dispute a single word I said, but you felt sad at the thought of letting it stand unchallenged.
13 major Italian pasta brands could disappear from US store shelves as 107% tariffs take effect
Thirteen of the largest Italian pasta exporters are slated to face a nearly 107% total tariff at the start of next year – a combination of a 15% tariff on EU goods and a 92% antidumping tax.
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Sounds like the Dems are fulfilling their intended role
Tru Dat but my comment is more for the people here who still think Democrats are your friends and it's not just controlled opposition that kicks us a few crumbs to make it look like they're the good guys while putting a knife into our backs.
Reminder: the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Someone called the Italian mafia! They are not going to like this.13 major Italian pasta brands could disappear from US store shelves as 107% tariffs take effect
Thirteen of the largest Italian pasta exporters are slated to face a nearly 107% total tariff at the start of next year – a combination of a 15% tariff on EU goods and a 92% antidumping tax.
Sounds like the Dems are fulfilling their intended role
I think the problem is that you're not even clever about being dishonest, probably because you're nowhere as clever as you think you are. All that framing you're blathering on about is basically a ton of hot garbage.
It's as simple as that the Democrats wanted a policy extended and used negotiation and leverage available to them, which is just how things normally work. The Republicans could have ended the shutdown any time they wanted, but they just chose not to. It is thus entirely fair for anyone to see the shutdown as the Republicans' fault: if they need support and aren't willing to offer anything to get it, they don't get support. Like if someone goes into a shop and tries to buy a can of soda without offering any money, everyone understands why the shopkeeper refuses.
We all know the Republicans are going to kill the policy extension, so by giving in the Democrats have failed to achieve their policy intentions. And that's why plenty of leftists like Tippy absolutely fucking hate the Democratic Party.
You're missing the point of the deal, now the democrat get to schedule another vote soon, so they can lose that one too. They'll get to experience they're favorite thing, losing to republican, twice!
This is really just bizarre, capitulating with nothing to show for it really make a mockery of the entire thing. Its dumb politic on so many level, because ultimately what always happen is that the republican fire up their base talking about cutting service to "lazy bum", but then never actually following up on that (because they know that their base is disproportionately represented on those "lazy bum"), so GOP voter never have to experience what the find out part of FAFO.
With the shutdown, they finally did feel some of that pain, but instead of waiting for that anger to mount in the GOP voter and for once to finally be forced to face up to the consequence of their action, the dem caved, making it seem like they really were the bad guys who stop people from getting food money so they could do... nothing.
This is really just bizarre, capitulating with nothing to show for it really make a mockery of the entire thing. Its dumb politic on so many level, because ultimately what always happen is that the republican fire up their base talking about cutting service to "lazy bum", but then never actually following up on that (because they know that their base is disproportionately represented on those "lazy bum"), so GOP voter never have to experience what the find out part of FAFO.
With the shutdown, they finally did feel some of that pain, but instead of waiting for that anger to mount in the GOP voter and for once to finally be forced to face up to the consequence of their action, the dem caved, making it seem like they really were the bad guys who stop people from getting food money so they could do... nothing.
You would be naive to think that was the situation a month ago. You are obtuse to suggest it now. I'm not saying they would turn down the extension, but it was never the goal. The goal was a couple of critical elections in Virginia, the state with I believe the highest density of federal workers, nearly all of whom vote straight Democrat, in an off year election where turnout is low and a single highly motivated group can have a big impact.
I'm surprised Tippy didn't jump in to correct you, but that's not at all why people like Tippy hate the Democratic Party. They don't hate the party that tries genuinely to extend healthcare policy and fails, they hate the party that pretends they ever meant to extend it in the first place. Read the last Tippy post:
I'm a little less cynical than that, cause I think if Republicans caved and gave them the extension, Democrats would take that as political victory all the same, so I would say it's not purely controlled opposition.
Then change them.
Seriously, this current event seems to have kindled the intra party disputes again and people are basically demanding Chuck Schumers ousting. The left party wing is still energized by Mamdanis win over Cuomo while the other side has only loss after loss to show.
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Its because the America left is just as toxic as the GOP or DNC. And if you go around thinking you cannot vote for the lesser of two evils, you WILL vote for no one
I hope Mendani can lead the charge here. Im also not going to hold my breath. Its a small flag in an ocean of shit
Yeah, people might disagree on why the Dems are evil, but I think everyone is in agreement that they are.
So your argument here is that in order to enthuse federal workers for the Democrats, the Democrats instigated a shutdown that... sacrificed those federal workers' financial safety by ensuring they would not be paid for weeks and be put under threat of being fired?
Likewise, note that one of the key Democratic Party folds was Tim Kaine of... oh, let me see, Virginia. Precisely because he wanted to secure safety for federal employees.So now we've put that to bed, maybe you don't need to waste everyone's time on it any more.
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Well, that's not entirely uncredible, if we accept that the Dems knew the Republicans would take most of the blame for the shutdown. And polling seems to bear that out.