US lawmakers introduce bill to ban TikTok

[Hades]

Huh? The party seems to be for the government not telling you what to do.

That's not how it works. The far right isn't there to make the government not tell YOU want to do, its there to ensure the government doesn't tell big business and the upper class what to do. The far right has never been the citizen's friend against the government.

 

[Hades]

The things people shout loudest are rarely the truth.

You're not entirely wrong. After all no matter what the left, the center or the not insane right say and do about migration the loudest voices will always say they do nOtHiNg and that only the far right has any interest in solving the issue. Doesn't matter how many times they mention it in their electoral program, how many refugees they get locked up under terrible conditions or anything else. At the end of the day the loudest voices will still say they do nOtHiNg and then suddenly the playing field is in the far right's favor again.

But I can't exactly name a far right party that's not on terrible terms with the press and angry about having its misdeeds exposed, any far right parties that's a fan of judges they don't personally appoint or who treat minorities even decently. Often what the far right get accused is by words entirely out of their own mouths.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

That's not how it works. The far right isn't there to make the government not tell YOU want to do, its there to ensure the government doesn't tell big business and the upper class what to do. The far right has never been the citizen's friend against the government.

That isn't fascist. How are they authoritative and anti-democratic?

 

[Hades]

That isn't fascist. How are they authoritative and anti-democratic?

Tell me. What's their first response to any judge making a ruling they don't like, or any journalist writing an article they don't like. What is their opinion of the other political parties or situations where parliament doesn't go along with what (they claim) ''the people'' want.

Far right party after far right party always has the same response to these matters. That only they truly represent the people and that thus no other party except them does, that any judge who stands in their way is an enemy or a fake judge, and that any journalist that reports on their statements or misdeed is scum. Checks and balances so important to democracies is something they always oppose, and they seem to drift to the stance that any other party except them is illegitimate.

So that's the anti democratic part down.

As for authoritarianism. Well, being against free press and judicial oversight already strikes me as plenty authoritarian. And look what happens whenever they get into power. The press always gets chained up, judges get replaced by cronies and checks and balances get removed, with some far right governments going so far as to just jail or have their opposition murdered. Look at Russia, at Hungary, at Turkey and the others. Also they're all fervent admirers of how Putin strangled Russian democracy, with some Austrian demagogue nutcase even getting caught on camera bragging about how he wanted to have his party do the same in Austria.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Tell me. What's their first response to any judge making a ruling they don't like, or any journalist writing an article they don't like. What is their opinion of the other political parties or situations where parliament doesn't go along with what (they claim) ''the people'' want.

Far right party after far right party always has the same response to these matters. That only they truly represent the people and that thus no other party except them does, that any judge who stands in their way is an enemy or a fake judge, and that any journalist that reports on their statements or misdeed is scum. Checks and balances so important to democracies is something they always oppose, and they seem to drift to the stance that any other party except them is illegitimate.

So that's the anti democratic part down.

As for authoritarianism. Well, being against free press and judicial oversight already strikes me as plenty authoritarian. And look what happens whenever they get into power. The press always gets chained up, judges get replaced by cronies and checks and balances get removed, with some far right governments going so far as to just jail or have their opposition murdered. Look at Russia, at Hungary, at Turkey and the others. Also they're all fervent admirers of how Putin strangled Russian democracy, with some Austrian demagogue nutcase even getting caught on camera bragging about how he wanted to have his party do the same in Austria.

What are AFD's actual stances or examples of this?

The left in the UK has jailed people over social media posts. The left in the US took down YouTube videos of very prominent doctors. The left created a disinformation governance board. The right doesn't do this in the US and I'm supposed to be worried about the side not doing it?

 

[Seanchaidh]

The left in the UK has jailed people over social media posts.

"The left" lol

 

[Trunkage]

"The left" lol

The Tories are now the left. Does anyone want to tell Phoenixmgs what Tory is short for? It's going to be REALLY funny

 

[Trunkage]

Musk, Trump and Zuck aren't Free Speech warriors. Removing things like fact checking is, by definition, anti-Free Speech

 

[Phoenixmgs]

"The left" lol

The Tories are now the left. Does anyone want to tell Phoenixmgs what Tory is short for? It's going to be REALLY funny

The Labour Party isn't the right...

Musk, Trump and Zuck aren't Free Speech warriors. Removing things like fact checking is, by definition, anti-Free Speech

How is removing speech anti-Free Speech? Facebook still has fact-checking and a better version of it.

 

[Trunkage]

The Labour Party isn't the right...
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The Labour party has been in power for a few months. The Tories, which is short for CONSVERSATIVE, which is a right wing party were in power for years. THEY were the ones who brought in hate speech laws. THEY were the ones who tried to jail Mark Meechan, the guy who made his gf's dog do a Nazi salute. THEY were the ones who tried to jail people over criticising King Charles

In Australia, the Liberal, which is the Conservative Party, brought in hate speech laws.

It is very normal for conservatives to create these sorts of laws around the world. Zuck has already banned some trans speech on Facebook. Musk did the same thing. This is what conservatives do, and pretend they are doing it for Free Speech

 

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[Seanchaidh]

The Labour Party isn't the right...

The Labour Party has a left wing and a right wing and its right wing is what is in power now whatever the wishes of its membership.

 

[Trunkage]

The Labour Party has a left wing and a right wing and its right wing is what is in power now whatever the wishes of its membership.

To further that, the left wing in the Labour party got cancelled. Hard. Stamer is what the Tories used to be before May

 

[Trunkage]

Who could have foreseen this?

Anyway, the Dems (and probs the GOP) have yet to learn that people are FAR more worried about US companies gathering information about them on behalf of the US government than the Chinese corporation doing the same thing for the Chinese government. The Chinese government could do very little to hurt the average US citizen. The US government can fine, imprison or kill the same citizen if they say something wring

 

[Chimpzy]

My favorite part about this exodus to Chinese Tiktok* is that the name XiaoHongShu means "Little Red Book"

Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Poor Zuck. Probably hoped they'd all come to Reels.

* It's really more Chinese Instagram, Chinese Tiktok is Douyin, but that's beside the point.

 

[Schadrach]

Shouldn't the so-called TikTok ban (the law as written doesn't just specifically target TikTok) cover those too, or are they not owned by a Chinese company that is by necessity in bed with the CCP? It sounds like this is mostly just a matter of actual enforcement of the law outside the one big well known example.

But like most attempts to try to eliminate a thing from the internet, it's going to be largely ineffective. Worst case you'll see people downloading APKs from sketchy websites and accessing services over TOR or whatever FreeNet calls itself now or something. Get between them and their terrible short form video content and they'll figure it out, and only a few need to understand how it works well enough to set others up.

 

[Chimpzy]

or are they not owned by a Chinese company that is by necessity in bed with the CCP?

No, it is Chinese owned and intended for a Chinese audience, and thus pretty much definitely toes the CCP line. They do seem to tolerate lgbtq+ content, tho that is likely more due to Xiaohongshu's inability to moderate it than it actually being allowed.

Also, apparently there's a thing going where Chinese users are telling the new US users to rise up in a workers revolution.

 

[Schadrach]

No, it is Chinese owned and intended for a Chinese audience, and thus pretty much definitely toes the CCP line.

So it violates the so-called TikTok ban, because it doesn't ban TikTok specifically but social media owned by a foreign adversary? Again, sounds like an enforcement issue as though actually effective enforcement is ever going to happen.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Also, apparently there's a thing going where Chinese users are telling the new US users to rise up in a workers revolution.

As they should. And as we should.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

The Labour party has been in power for a few months. The Tories, which is short for CONSVERSATIVE, which is a right wing party were in power for years. THEY were the ones who brought in hate speech laws. THEY were the ones who tried to jail Mark Meechan, the guy who made his gf's dog do a Nazi salute. THEY were the ones who tried to jail people over criticising King Charles

In Australia, the Liberal, which is the Conservative Party, brought in hate speech laws.

It is very normal for conservatives to create these sorts of laws around the world. Zuck has already banned some trans speech on Facebook. Musk did the same thing. This is what conservatives do, and pretend they are doing it for Free Speech

I don't know UK politics that well. I just know from the following article the current PM is Keir Starmer who is left and says social media is responsible for misinformation.

They were arrested for posting on social media during the riots – will it change anything?

Charges following disorder felt significant, but for social media giants there was no day of reckoning.

www.bbc.com

But like most attempts to try to eliminate a thing from the internet, it's going to be largely ineffective. Worst case you'll see people downloading APKs from sketchy websites and accessing services over TOR or whatever FreeNet calls itself now or something. Get between them and their terrible short form video content and they'll figure it out, and only a few need to understand how it works well enough to set others up.

Most people totally don't know how to do that and will not do that.