Utah creates 5 person commission to regulate one trans girl playing sports

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I said "IF", not that I was actually for the idea. I was basically explaining why marriage limited to different sexes was unconstitutional because IF the government didn't recognize marriage, then there would be no inequality obviously.
So once again, it was an empty bit of sophistry with no actual point.

You keep assuming I'm some right-wing christian conservative or something
Something, yes. And it has to do with the fact that you constantly defend conservative policies but getting you to do the same for a progressive one is trying to get blood from a stone.
 

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People get harassed for tons of things. You ain't even going to be able to stop that. There's 2 trans people in my board game group so I probably interact with more than the average person. There's less clues to who someone is when they're unconscious, being able to check an ID is the fastest check which might be important depending on the situation.
And this mostly fake probably never happened scenario justifys not being able to use an ID to buy a thing without people, at best, thinking it's a fake ID and having to out yourself to basically everybody who has to check an ID for any number of incredibly mundane circumstances? Because "people get harassed for tons of things" and I guess you want it to happen more?
You talk about me not looking up stuff, why don't you look up 'why men are taller than women' and the theories as of why.
"Men are taller than women on average" does not mean "every man has a height advantage on women" and it's breathtaking how you continue to insist otherwise
It's bad for getting banned from doing nothing wrong, it happens though, but the downside would be far worse not drug screening.
Men can drug screen without anybody getting banned for natural testosterone. Cis women aren't allowed to have a purely natural level of testosterone that's too high. The idea that you just have to ban them because "tests" is bullshit that you are making up whole cloth
So taking hormones reduces your height and size of your organs?
Yes. Trans gal I know is down several shoe sizes too. Shit dude, cis women regularly get shorter after pregnancy. This stuff isn't nearly as immutable as you think
Again, it's apples and oranges. Marriage has no reason to be separated by sex while sports does. It's like using the separate by equal argument against women's sports. We should just have one team per sport with the school's best athletes then. Your argument is so disingenuous.
My argument is that states have never banned a single gay dude from getting married in the same way that states aren't banning trans girls from playing sports. Because that was your argument: "states aren't banning trans girls from playing sports", which is technically correct in the same way as "states never banned gay people from getting married".
Can you just stop with the hyperbole and exaggeration? Florida does not want to ban trans children from life, that is ridiculous. I feel that a decision as big as a sex change is an adult decision. I'd also agree that it's probably a good thing to have children not taking drugs that they don't need to take regardless of the situation because they're children. I haven't researched every trans medical treatment obviously so I could be convinced of a few things possibly being OK like puberty blockers. I do agree with the broad strokes of children not being able to decide something like a sex change at that age and not taking medicine that they don't need.
If you'd done literally any research whatsoever, "social transition", the treatment state agencies are being instructed to never use, is kids going by a different name, different pronouns, getting a different haircut, or wearing different clothes. The governor is instructing state healthcare, and anybody accepting state dollars, to not suggest any sort of gender non-conforming behavior as treatment if a kid is possibly trans. That's banning trans kids from existing.

The only allowed surgeries are going to be on completely unconsenting intersex infants to force them into conventional, socially accepted sexes and, naturally, circumcision.
Don't really care to get recommendations tied to watching that so no thanks.
You just delete it out of your watch history afterword
I'm guessing most of the math books were rejected because of including common core. Until there's actual confirmed reasons vs speculation, Occam's Razor and all.
You should really stop guessing about things and start looking stuff up
 
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I'm guessing most of the math books were rejected because of including common core. Until there's actual confirmed reasons vs speculation, Occam's Razor and all.
Yes. There are some books that were banned on Common Core. And there were some that were banned for social and emotional well-being and others for CRT

This segment is talking about the specific books that were banned on social and emotional grounds. I.e. they were not banned based on Common Core.

Florida's DoE has told the publishers the overall reason why each book is banned but not which specific parts were bad. So (maybe) we will find out whats so offensive. Until then, the piblishers are trying to find the 'social and emotional learning' in their book to fix them and maybe resubmit them. Because DeSantis has just fucked them financially so they gotta bend the knee and suck up to get back in good graces of the FL GOP

So, to say again, the examples were NOT to do with Common Core. Maybe you could use Occam's Razor to figure out that, if they are talking about social and emotional well-being that they are only looking at those books that were banned for those reasons
 

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You're also mistaking what popular today for what's popular back then. The CRA is popular today. It definitely wasn't back then. Not just by racists. By state rights people who think that the CRA is a huge governmental overreach.
The CRA passed in both the House and the Senate in the 1970s. I don't know that it would even do that today.
Almost 90% of Americans want abortions to be legal. Fortunately, we can just ignore whats popular because Fundie Christians need to force their ideology onto people
Where are you getting that number from? At the very least, it wasn't Gallup.
Eg. Roe v Wade just enshrined what the majority of Christians wanted, it was only later that we have to pretend it was the libs destroying society etc.
What in the hell are you talking about? The majority of Christians wanted the supreme court to forbid them from regulating abortion? Who is feeding you these outrageous lies?
 

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The CRA passed in both the House and the Senate in the 1970s. I don't know that it would even do that today.
That's true. These days, the "race-mixing is communism" folks would have 13 senators and the rest of the GOP pandering to their base. The modern GOP is significantly worse than conservatives were back then and that's saying something. Course, that doesn't mean it was *popular*. Interracial marriage was legal for a generation before it hit the 50/50 mark on people thinking it was okay. That's what happens when your government isn't run by social media popularity contests.
Where are you getting that number from? At the very least, it wasn't Gallup.
A more nuanced Pew survey
Only 13% of respondents wanted abortion illegal in all cases
What in the hell are you talking about? The majority of Christians wanted the supreme court to forbid them from regulating abortion? Who is feeding you these outrageous lies?
It's truth. See, Christian doesn't not mean Catholic, and pre-evangelical revolution your average Protestant wasn't interested in the government getting involved in personal matters. You know, like how you pretend conservatives believe now
 
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States are going all in on this bullshit. From "It's not fair to girls if one (1) trans girl competes" to "don't suggest kids pick a new name" to "anybody under 25 is too immature to make this medical decision and this medical decision specifically". Expect full bans to be the next thing on the docket.
 
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Only 13% of respondents wanted abortion illegal in all cases
I'd be willing to bet that's higher than the percent of people who want homicide illegal in all cases. Most people support the idea of innocence in the case of self-defense. If I were to say the vast majority of people want homicide to be legal, that's not being nuanced, that's completely dishonest.
 

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I'd be willing to bet that's higher than the percent of people who want homicide illegal in all cases. Most people support the idea of innocence in the case of self-defense. If I were to say the vast majority of people wanted homicide to be legal, that's not being nuanced, that's completely dishonest.
That's being entirely honest: the vast majority of people consider homicide to be valid and want it to be legal in at least some cases. Almost nobody wants a complete ban on homicide. Least of all conservatives, who recently made vehicular homicide legal in some states for the crime of "people protesting in a road"

But it makes you feel uncomfortable to say that you want homicide to be legal in some cases, so you try and deflect and pretend that isn't the case, like how you pretend so many other things in this thread that just aren't true
 
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What in the hell are you talking about? The majority of Christians wanted the supreme court to forbid them from regulating abortion? Who is feeding you these outrageous lies?
Why would 'christians' be regulating anything outside of their church in any definition of a secular democracy?
 
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Because Christians are also people, and democracy is by the people.
Our secular democracy has no state religion by design. Religious regulations have no place here, hence the "Sharia Law" bans

But keep ignoring information that you desperately don't want to be true
 
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So important stuff shouldn't be on IDs because it might make people feel bad? So no weight or height on IDs either because people could be fatter or shorter than they look in the car?
What IDs do you guys have that contain that information?
 

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Driver's license.

Let me guess: this is another one of those things that's not that common outside the US?
Some of them have the sex on there. But most of them just contain your full name, DOB, the licence number, expiration date and type of licence with the back mentioning conditions like “Must wear glasses”. And a photo of course. EDIT: and most obviously, your address. Duh :p

Heck not even the proof of age cards tend to have that information. There might be some medical alert cards or something that would have those sorts of particulars, but they’re not usually on a drivers licence - weight and height especially because they’re not relevant.

Hell in an emergency situation a hospital would get more pertinent information by scanning my old blood donor card or more likely my Medicare card.
 
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Driver's license.

Let me guess: this is another one of those things that's not that common outside the US?
No,not to my knowledge. For example, the only personal data on my driver's license is my name, and date and place of birth. The rest is actual driver's license stuff like which types of vehicle I'm allowed to drive, registry number, and when and where the license was issued.

We do also have actual ID cards which contain a little more personal data like a picture, national insurance number, nationality and sex (tho the latter is actually set to be removed)

Any medical data (like blood type) is in your medical file which is on a central database only accessible to medical services. Tho that aforementioned ID card is what's used to properly identify if incapacitated/emergency.
 

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Some of them have the sex on there. But most of them just contain your full name, DOB, the licence number, expiration date and type of licence with the back mentioning conditions like “Must wear glasses”. And a photo of course.

Heck not even the proof of age cards tend to have that information. There might be some medical alert cards or something that would have those sorts of particulars, but they’re not usually on a drivers licence - weight and height especially because they’re not relevant.

Hell in an emergency situation a hospital would get more pertinent information by scanning my old blood donor card or more likely my Medicare card.
Can confirm

What data is on the medicare card? I know there is a push to allow GP notes to be centralised so hospitals can access the data in my state.

But a medicare card would track who you've seen based on benefits paid, immunizations, anything else?
 

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Can confirm

What data is on the medicare card? I know there is a push to allow GP notes to be centralised so hospitals can access the data in my state.

But a medicare card would track who you've seen based on benefits paid, immunizations, anything else?
It’s less the card and more the data associated with the card number. If I’m bleeding on the side of the road and unresponsive I imagine - but cannot say for certain - there is a protocol by which the paramedics may quote it to the hospital dispatcher to bring up my medical data for anything relevant to my immediate survival like allergies to certain drugs and my blood type.
 
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It’s less the card and more the data associated with the card number. If I’m bleeding on the side of the road and unresponsive I imagine - but cannot say for certain - there is a protocol by which the paramedics may quote it to the hospital dispatcher to bring up my medical data for anything relevant to my immediate survival like allergies to certain drugs and my blood type.
Had no idea blood type was collected but it makes sense